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Possible to Install a Manual Boost Control Valve

31K views 18 replies 12 participants last post by  titan joe  
#1 ·
Given that the boost in our cars is controlled via the ECU, is it possible to install a manual boost control valve to increase boost production or will the ECU fight it. In otherwords I want to bleed off the pressure from the TCV to the wastegate using a bleed valve in order to increase boost to 20 psi from my current 15psi. But since the ECU controls boost production via wastegate actuation, will the MAP sensor register the increased manifold pressure in which case the ECU will compensate by increasing pressure to the wastegate thereby compensating for my bleed valve. I've been told that some of the old school Porsche guys did this in their 911 turbo's but that was on the older 930 chassis where boost actuation was purely spring driven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_controller
 
#2 ·
Nope. It there was, we wouldn't be spending $1k on ECU upgrades :). When the ECU sees 20psi when its only trying to make 15, it will throw codes and try to compensate, in turn running like crap.
 
#4 ·
I don't know what the threshold is, but I do know that when the ECU sees a higher boost than it is trying to make, it uses the OEM boost control solenoid, via a PWM signal, to control the boost level.
 
#5 ·
The reason I asked is that I have the RICA Stage 2 but am only making 15psi max sustained. I've just about given up diagnosing my low boost issue and as a last resort was contemplating installing a manual boost control. Assuming the ECU is calibrated correctly it should allow manifold pressure of up to 24 psi with stage 2 using a manual control valve.

I've also heard that you can use an electronic boost controller in place of the TCV like the ones made by Greddy.
 
#9 ·
The reason I asked is that I have the RICA Stage 2 but am only making 15psi max sustained. I've just about given up diagnosing my low boost issue and as a last resort was contemplating installing a manual boost control. Assuming the ECU is calibrated correctly it should allow manifold pressure of up to 24 psi with stage 2 using a manual control valve.

I've also heard that you can use an electronic boost controller in place of the TCV like the ones made by Greddy.
you're playing with fire...i know its frustrating not having the power, but when you don't know for sure what the true cause is, it's dangerous to start throwing boost at the engine. If your engine is pulling timing or boost because of a dangerous condition it is sensing, you could easily mess things up by overriding that. My suggestion is to keep working to try and figure out the problem first.
 
#6 ·
The reason volvo uses the low pressure wastegates ie 2-4 psi is becuase they want eletronics controlling the fun not mechanics... If it was as easy as using a 20 psi wastegate spring actuator or 100.00 dollar boost controller you would see alot more fast Volvos. Once you excced that pressure threshold of more than 8 psi on the sensitive models of the Bosche ME7 ECU it starts throwing codes as phuz stated... I at one point had mine cranked to 12.5 psi and that was all I was getting... Only until I set my wastegate back within spec and did a hard resett did I begin to really fly!!! (6.5 - 7.0 PSI)
 
#7 ·
Also you don't want to combat a leak or problem with a type of work around when I think you will be just adding to the mess...
 
#8 · (Edited)
Many people with 850s and X70s run an MBC in conjunction with their TCV to get the pressure they want. It should not throw any errors and its the same TCV, just needs to be set up properly.

EDIT: Just read above info on Bosche ME7 ECU sensitivity.
 
#10 ·
what if the boost BCS was taken out of equation (just connected electronically). I think that would work... you'd just have to figure out what's the "safe" boost to run is before you throw the code.

I did the same thing with my old S40 (1.9T engine) before I tuned it. The stock boost was at 7, the overboos CEL would come on at around 15PSI. So I cranked-up the manual boost controller to 14PSI and at the same time took the BCS out of the equation but left it on electronically, that way no codes are thrown. It was running fine, and 14PSI was sustained and it did not drop - it held it through the gears.

Here's the Video on how to do it...at the end there's a clip of the boost holding

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#11 ·
I sense some risky business... :/
 
#12 ·
hmmm can u do this to a c70 2.4?
 
#13 ·
also how much more power did u get with that controller installed?
 
#14 ·
No power increase with the controller. It's simply an upgrade to the factory part which tends to fail prematurely.
 
#19 ·
Won't just run lean anytime you get above stock boost?