XC100 is the way to go if you want soft close doors and more luxury stuff.

Power train is pretty much mild hybrid, PHEV, and pure BEV, in different horsepower setup. They are not going to design new ICE engines anyways.

I think safe cage would be no change as it works well.

LiDAR and L4 highway pilot will allow you to take a nap on long trip.

I am also wondering if autonomous parking (eg. L4 in parking lot and garage) will be offered, as Geely will showcase it on an entry SUV this year, maybe next month.

And Android Sensus, google service, of course. Screen probably will get bigger, 10inch for example. And I hope there is a screen for passenger, or some kind of Bluetooh control for media and climate.

Waiting is helpful to find out all details. Since late 2015 I have been waiting for every new model and settled with XC60 T8. Worthwhile for the learning.

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Power train is pretty much mild hybrid, PHEV, and pure BEV, in different horsepower setup.

Do you think SC factory will push out PHEV T6 along w/ T8? Same powertrain, just "tweaks" to ICE.

And oh, how about return to amber turn signals? There's a certain Euro-elegance to them, and the whole safety thing too. Even the bloody minivan has amber turn signals. Sheesh.

 

Just stumbled on this article, they expect SPA2 XC90 to "land" later this year (reveal? launch?), and have a slightly different take on XC100.

https://www.just-auto.com/analysis/how-volvo-gets-to-electric-only-by-2030_id200773.aspx

 

Like everywhere else, SC factory is slowed down for covid and also IC chip shortage. MY2022 XC90 was the orignal plan and could be out end of year. But I am not surprised for 6months or more delay of new SPA2 model.

 

T6 PHEV? That's a T8.

 

You never heard of it?

https://www.volvocars.com/uk/build/v60-hybrid?

 

Nope. Didn't realize they were changing the nomenclature yet. But I usually find stuff like that out after it happens because it doesn't mean much to us in service.

 

They are not changing it. It is T8 PHEV on XC90 Recharge, and T6 PHEV on V90/V60 Recharge in Europe.
Apparently VCUSA only want T8 PHEV for V90/V60 Recharge, not the T6 PHEV version.
Does it save servicing cost at all? Nope, right?

https://www.volvocars.com/uk/build/xc90-hybrid?

 

I don't know how the nomenclature works in Europe. In the US, the T5 is turbocharged, T6 turbocharged and supercharged and T8 is turbocharged, supercharged and hybrid.

On the US site, using an S90, it appears to still be that way.

 

I don't know how the nomenclature works in Europe. In the US, the T5 is turbocharged, T6 turbocharged and supercharged and T8 is turbocharged, supercharged and hybrid.

Why isn't it T7 for the hybrid, supercharged and turbocharged models? 4 cylinders, sc and tc =6 + 1 for hybrid = T7, no?

 

XC60 offers both PHEV - T6 and T8 - in other markets.

Design your XC60 Recharge | Volvo Cars International

 

Right. And I have no experience with European spec models. I don't know what their difference between the T6 PHEV and T8 PHEV is.

I was speaking of US models.

 

I’m curious whether Volvo will release any information this year, or wait until next year? I would interpret the next-generation XC90 would be released early next year, rather than later. I’m also curious how close the next S90 will be, as there was only about a years difference of the current being revealed, after the current XC90.

 

Apparently T6 vs. T8 PHEV is same twin charged + hybrid powertrain. They just tweak the engine a bit. We really won't need 400 hp when the time comes, would gladly trade a bit of output for more efficiency or hybrid range. I think EV range is the same in XC60, makes sense.

Thinking if SPA2 XC90 was launching this CY, we'd know it by now. Perhaps more likely that we'll see reveal late this year/winter 2022, then launch in spring-summer 2022 as MY23?

 

Apparently the face and grill of all SPA2 cars will be much lower to improve the range of the BEV powertrain.

 

That scares me a little... ?

As they still have an engine, they cannot make the hood shorter or slop dramatically (I interpret). And with the current vehicles, Thomas Ingenlath stressed how essential the axle-to-dash is and long hood proportion. As cars are developed years in advance, the plans would have been brainstormed or beginning around the release of the current vehicles.

I just hope they look as stunning, because this to me is one of the best designs of all time:

I cannot believe how stunning these 21" rims are. They make the vehicle. Everything has cohesion and balance in the proportions. The grill isn't too wide or big horizontally or vertical. The headlights size is in proportion and balance with the grill. All the shapes and lines have a simple, clean, elegant yet dynamic and modern aesthetic.

Sorry for the tangent. I have the opportunity to buy a T6 S90 like the one above, but I can't get passed the fact that it doesn't have soft-close doors (which is one of the best features, I love it so much. It's so satisfying). That's why I hope the next S90 comes with it, even as an option (as the BMW 5 Series, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Genesis G80, Jaguar XF and Audi RS 6 all do).

If it does and retains those looks and more, I will buy immediately! ?

 

I came across this article a little while ago. I don't think it answers any of the original posters questions, but at least it's an official look at the future, and not journalists' speculations. Volvo to downsize saloon and estate offering in SUV-led EV push | Autocar

 

Here's an article I just stumbled on for the first time:

Volvo electric car plans explained | CAR Magazine

Still puzzling on the graphic a bit (revised to reflect C40 reveal since the last time I saw it):
-- Significance of the three rows of vehicles, top to bottom?
-- Left-to-right sequence seems to be XC40, C40, XC90, XC20, XC60, 60-90 thing, XC100.

So what's the 60-90 thing? Maybe an aggregation of all existing wagons/CCs into something new that shoots the size gap? Return of XC70? See image here:

New Volvo coupe-SUV set to lead next-generation of brand's EVs | Auto Express

 

Here's an article I just stumbled on for the first time.

Volvo electric car plans explained | CAR Magazine

Still puzzling on the graphic a bit (revised to reflect C40 reveal since the last time I saw it):
-- Significance of the three rows of vehicles, top to bottom?
-- Left-to-right sequence seems to be XC40, C40, XC90, XC20, XC60, 60-90 thing, XC100.

So what's the 60-90 thing? Maybe an aggregation of all existing wagons/CCs into something new that shoots the size gap? Return of XC70? See image here:

New Volvo coupe-SUV set to lead next-generation of brand's EVs | Auto Express

That 60-90 thing appears to definitely be a sedan based on the shadow. In another forum, it was lined up with the presumed XC90 (from the same image). It was basically the same size if not slightly longer. Therefore I interpret it to be the next-generation S90. I'm not sure if it was said whether that illustration is an actual representation of the next-generation vehicles or an artistic placeholder.

 

Sedan EV has better range than crossover and SUV. Most EV buyers want sedan for this reason. They can keep one or two sedan/coupe EV models for sure, small S40 and big long range S90. Precept is great but it is different style and price level.

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I wonder what S90 would look like if extrapolated from P*2? I just don't think it works w/ battery in the floor, at that scale. Remember the S60 CC? Hm.

2016 Volvo S60 Cross Country Test - Review - Car and Driver

 

I believe Volvo will continue with one or two sedans. I would be shocked if they discontinued the S90 or S60. The vehicle in that timeline definitely appears to be a sedan based on the shadow:

You can see the dramatic slope and trunk. According to Volvo's sales figures they sold almost 60,000 S90's globally, in 2018 and the same in 2019 and almost 50,000 during the pandemic. A sedan is also integral to a true premium manufacturer, because of the heritage in proportion. That's why the S90 and S60 look rear-wheel drive.

I know the C.E.O stated he wanted to organise the trims, but I interpret he just meant they don't need a short or long wheelbase of the S90. I understand that, as the short wheelbase is already longer than an E-Class. I would interpret they'll make a version in between, to get the best of both.

 

It's in the article I linked earlier. Volvo to downsize saloon and estate offering in SUV-led EV push | Autocar
"We need less variants of sedans and wagons; we have lots of wagons today, with the V60, V90, Cross Country, non-Cross County, and a lot of saloons big and small, long and extra-long. We need to move from wagons and sedans; we will still have them in future, but probably not as many."

 

I'm just thankful that the wagon will be there in the future. I'd love an electric V down the road.

 

Remember, that image is just EVs by mid-decade. There could be other vehicles that don't go EV by mid-decade.

So I'll speculate that all V and V/CC's will consolidate into one lifted-wagon EV akin to that Auto Express image, call it XC70 or XC80, by mid-decade.

Similarly, maybe we'll see one consolidated S later in decade, maybe S70 or S80?

 

In the newly published "Annual report 2020" one can read: "New scalable BEV architectures for all Volvo models as of 2025"

Seems that SPA2 will have a short life...

https://investors.volvocars.com/annualreport2020/assets/pdf/VCG_ENG_2020_web_20210317.pdf

 

I think that SPA2 is just the name for the new scalable BEV architecture. SPA2 will definitely be scalable.

 

There's another thread floating around, SPA2 will have modular skateboards for ICE/PHEV and EV. We'll see how that might alleviate compromises between them.

Figure "SPA3" lands ~2030 and is all-in EV?

 

https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media/pressreleases/280495/volvo-cars-deepens-collaboration-with-nvidia-next-generation-self-driving-volvos-powered-by-nvidia-d

Volvo Cars aims to be the first car maker with a global footprint to use NVIDIA DRIVE Orin in its next generation models, based on the forthcoming SPA2 modular vehicle architecture. The first car featuring this SoC is the next generation Volvo XC90, which will be revealed next year.

So not only is the XC90 delayed from the original timeline Polestar 3 also got thrown under the bus?

 

Interesting note is that we'll not see XC90 SPA2 revealed this year, but in 2022, presumably launching in 2H 2022 as MY23?

"...next generation models, based on the forthcoming SPA2 modular vehicle architecture. The first car featuring this SoC is the next generation Volvo XC90, which will be revealed next year."

 

XC100:
Yes:

• Larger (VW Atlas size pls)
• Better sound isolation -- don't care if it detracts from the MPG rating
• More buttons for frequently used functions for ease of use and safety purposes (voice command does not fill this gap)
• More power to match the current line ups weight to HP/TQ ratio.
• A dip stick so I can change my oil
• A temp gauge. Because I want one and the customer is always right.
• T6 gas only engine.. might be convinced on a mild hybrid solution
• Active cruise control that incorporated coasting (id like my brakes to last longer)
• Heated windshield option
• More inclusive HUD that can be obtained with the above mentioned heated windshield
• A center screen that can be divided between two main functions. (ex: Android Auto and Sound system at same time).

No:

• Fully automated drive mode. I'll never use it or trust it
• Soft close doors. (no offense but this is just something else to break. stick your hand out and close your door)
• Cheap looking grill insignia. Just because Mercedes did it doesn't make it the right answer. Current "new" grill ornaments are terrible. My 2017 is fine.
• Everything in a menu on a touch screen and valuable real estate behind the shifter being used by a button that I use only twice every time I drive and never when I'm moving.
• Cordless cell charger that current cell phones don't fit on and replaces a much more valuable cubby.

 

Standing beside you JFK w/ the below.

• Better sound isolation -- don't care if it detracts from the MPG rating
• More buttons for frequently used functions for ease of use and safety purposes (voice command does not fill this gap)
• A temp gauge. Because I want one and the customer is always right.
• Active cruise control that incorporated coasting (id like my brakes to last longer)
• More inclusive HUD that can be obtained with the above mentioned heated windshield
• A center screen that can be divided between two main functions. (ex: Android Auto and Sound system at same time).

 

Is Volvo Up And Alive?

Sometimes, Volvo seems a bit like a sleeping bag company to me. So does it today. What's the latest thing they did?

• Last real new Volvo: February 2018 - Volvo V60 (S60 and CC were just derivates, as is the C40).
• Last new Polestar: February 2019 - 2 (which will remain the brand's only car when production of the 1 stops soon).

The rest was only a concept car and some glorious news with glitter from their marcom department. What's next to expect from Volvo? XC90 and Polestar 3 next year, which could also mean December 2022.

Is Volvo Up And Alive?

Well, one wouldn't think so. Where goes all the money from Geely? Geely itself, as well as Lynk&Co release new cars and brands all couple of months, and Volvo sits on relatively conservative cars. Once deemed as forerunners on alternative powertrains, they are just being overtaken by VW, Mercedes and maybe BMW soon also.

 

I think they should at least announce the timeline. Reveal in which quarter and in which quarter the sales will start. And I'm referring to both XC90 and Ps3

 

I think its going to stay pretty quiet until SPA2 announcements begin - including their EV versions. I think we'll see XC90 SPA2 in winter 2022 for launch in fall as MY23. Then other SPA2 and EV vehicles will follow.

My biggest question remains why Volvo skipped "conventional" hybrid, as Toyota/Lexus have been doing for a long time. There's a big whitespace between mild hybrid (glorified stop-start + e-push) and PHEV. If Toyota (and soon, incl. Lexus new TX) can offer vehicles starting as conventional hybrid, why couldn't Volvo? Seems to me that's a far more impactful place to start vs. MHEV. But at this point, I expect most investment will be for EV, with some refinements to PHEV.

 

My biggest question remains why Volvo skipped "conventional" hybrid, as Toyota/Lexus have been doing for a long time. There's a big whitespace between mild hybrid (glorified stop-start + e-push) and PHEV. If Toyota (and soon, Lexus) can offer vehicles starting as conventional hybrid, why couldn't Volvo? Seems to me that's a far more impactful place to start vs. MHEV. But at this point, I expect most investment will be for EV, with some refinements to PHEV.

It is actually in development! As more european countries has started to stop supporting PHEV vehicules (and diesel). Full HEV and BEV are the next hot seller for all the european brands.

 

It is very costly to build a new power train but sell only a small volume. If you want Toyota hybrid, have to get the e-cvt from Toyota too. 8AT won't work that way. The fuel save is also tiny. This is why only Ford did it other than Toyota. And still Ford hybrid Escape doesn't sell much.

 

If your point is that 4x hybrid/EV powertrains don't add up, I agree.

But I do think Volvo shouldn't have bothered w/ MHEV, barely a half-measure. Should have gone standard conventional hybrid instead, even just to save all those restarts in congestion. Just today I was alongside an XC60 in some congestion. I counted about a dozen restarts in 10 min (MHEV won't prevent those). If that was an RX (conventional) hybrid, likely wouldn't have restarted at all.