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Warning/disclaimer: The information in this thread describes modifying your vehicles brake booster assist system. I am not responsible for any damage to the car, any loss of braking, or anything that may be caused as a result of you taking the actions in this post. Please proceed carefully.

I've seen a couple of threads that reference people deleting their brake booster vacuum pump. I was confused a bit by this and was asking myself questions like "is that safe?" And "will this change the car in any way?". Well, from my understanding, most vehicles do not come with a brake booster vacuum pump. The Ford Focus RS sold in Europe with the same T5 motor does not have a vacuum booster pump. The Mazdaspeed3 (different motor but many shared components) does not have a vacuum booster pump. Our cars do.

The purpose of this pump is to supply adequate vacuum to the brake booster (also known as brake assist) system in the event that the motor cannot generate enough vacuum to do so. Cases when this typically happens is if you lose power (engine shuts off) while driving and then attempt to use the brakes. The brakes will still work in this situation, but you will be using the full power of your foot and leg to do so, as the car will not assist you.

So why do our cars have it when most others don't? The answer… likely safety. Volvo, bring the safety minded branded that it is, has supplied us with such pump so that in the situation where the motor shuts off and you need braking assist power, you have it. Again, the Ford Focus RS sold in Europe with the same (mostly) T5 motor does not have a vacuum pump.

Many people on this forum have deleted their vacuum pump entirely. The reasoning behind this varies from person to person, but overall it seems that the general consensus is to delete the pump for looks and space. The pump makes the engine bay look cluttered, and many people have built custom air intakes with the airbox sitting right where the pump does.

Originally, I deleted the vacuum pump by modifying the stock hose that was included on the car so I could keep the check valve. I HIGHLY advise against this. The reasoning? If the check valve goes bad, you will likely lose your brake assist power. It is not uncommon for these valves to fail. It is recommended to replace with a straight vacuum line like I will show you.

I won't go into detail on how to remove the vacuum pump and it's mounting bracket for two reasons: 1 it's been documented before and 2, it's fairly self explanatory if you look at it, the bolts you need to remove are the only ones connected to it. If anyone has questions on this though, I can definitely update this here!

Now you can remove the rest of the vacuum hose that routes to the intake manifold, OTE pipe, and brake booster.

Once that's removed, go ahead and get your new vacuum hose. I chose a hose from Amazon. It is 12mm inside diameter. This is a little bit of a tight fit, but it gives me peace of mine knowing it won't come off easily. Here's what I ordered: Amazon.com: High Performance Silicone Vacuum Tubing Hose, ID 0.47" (12mm), OD 0.71" (18mm), 5 Feet per roll (1.5 Meter), Black 60 psi Maximum Pressure: Automotive

We need to cut the end of the existing vacuum hose that connects into the intake manifold so that we can reuse this piece for our new hose. I cut mine right around where the yellow arrow was below.

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After that, insert the piece you just cut into your 12mm ID vacuum hose. I added a hose clamp on this just for extra safety, but it may not be needed.

Then, connect the other end to the brake booster vacuum hose that comes from the firewall. This is slightly larger than 12mm, so this will take some muscle to get on. I also included a hose clamp here just to be safe, but this piece likely doesn't need it since it'll fit on so tight.

Finally, we'll need to plug the OTE pipe with a cap where our old vacuum line used to connect to. This prevents dirty and unmetered air from getting into the engine. I bought a pack of vacuum plugs at Autozone here: https://www.autozone.com/ignition-t...routine-maintenance/vacuum-cap/dorman-autograde-assorted-vacuum-caps/365550_0_0 I can't remember what size I ended up using, but the kit includes one that slides right over this plug. I then used a zip tie wrapped around it to make it hard for it to slide off. This shouldn't come off, but if it does I'll likely switch it for a hose clamp.

And that's it! Driving the car around feels like normal, and myself (as well as others) have noted that boost feels like it builds slightly quicker, as well as the turbo noises being slightly louder as well. This all might just be a coincidence, but it could also be a result of this mod!

I did some tests with braking, and it all feels the same as it did before. The only time it feels different is if the car is turned off and you continue to press the brake, but it isn't often that the car dies on itself and you need to brake in an emergency. Even if you do, you CAN still stop the car, it just won't be assisted (again, like most cars on the road today).

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The engine bay sure does look a lot cleaner! Now I need to sort out my air intake situation and move that ugly looking ECU bracket I made…

I think I covered anything here, but if I missed something or anyone has any questions, feel free to reach out!

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#2 ·
Is there a reason you chose this over the pretty pretty RS mod hose thats like $30? Just asking if there is a difference.
 
#3 ·
Well I got the hose for like 18$, and it's a lot thicker than the hose that's included in the RS mod. Also, from what I've seen all of the stuff for the RS mod is sold overseas in Europe, and I didn't want to wait for shipping times etc.

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#5 ·
Most modern cars with VVT or Turbochargers don't make enough vacuum for more than one pump of the brake pedal.
More modern cars with direct injection need them too.

On the engineering side, one thing you might consider is putting a steel sleeve or bushing inside the plastic pipe you cut off for the vacuum source. Long term the plastic can soften, deform and collapse in on itself from clamp pressure. You want a firm connection there in case of an intake backfire which could blow the hose off.
 
#6 ·
It's interesting that our cars have one, but the focus RS in europe doesn't. My guess is if that motor doesn't that they deemed it safe enough to operate without it. Any thoughts on that?

So far I've had no issues, I even tested it turning the car off while driving and I was able to stop fine.

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#7 ·
European nations all have different emissions standards so maybe their cam and ignition timing has less effect on vacuum than our markets, or get a waiver because of limited production.
Do they have electric turbos by chance?
 
#8 ·
No electric turbo, same exact motor except the turbo is actually a larger K16 turbo instead of the K04 that comes on our cars.

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Cost to install = 2 hose clamps. Maintains all factory connections and doesnt allow for the line to the booster to get pressurized when the manifold is.

Braking during high idle start up (little to no vacuum) is very firm, I wouldnt recommend running this on a daily car. But to each your own.

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#10 ·
The problem with this that I can possible see happening is if that valve that's built into the hose poops out, you're gonna have no brake assist since it could get stuck closed and there isn't a vacuum pump in the other side to generate vacuum.

This is what I originally did though and it worked fine!

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One could add a generic vacuum check valve and or a vacuum reservoir like on big cam muscle cars. A reservoir will allow for a couple extra pedal uses.
 
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So after doing some digging and talking with others, im almost positive that there is ANOTHER one way check valve before the brake cylinder.

Talked with some people who work on Volvos a lot (specifically P1s) and they said they believe they remember another valve behind the firewall/battery box before the vacuum line goes into the brake cylinder.

I wanted to confirm this so I loaded up VIDA.

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In the above image you can see part #10 which is the vacuum hose that connects to the vacuum pump, intake manifold, air intake pipe, and the brake booster. Right after that, you can see part #11, which is the hose that comes through the firewall and connects to part #10. Looking up part #11, which is Volvo part # 31406272, we can see what looks to be a one way check valve built into this hose.

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You can see it right above the "U" in the "FCP Euro" watermark. Im almost positive this is a check valve, and will do more digging to confirm. But i think that this keeps the brake booster safe from any sort of boost going into it.

I've talked with a handful of people who have ran with a straight hose for years and have had no issues at all braking, so I think this mod (as well as the nicer looking Focus RS hoses) are safe and should not damage the brake master cylinder, etc.

I'd love some input and thoughts on this though to confirm my findings, etc. Thanks all!
 
#18 ·
Perfect timing. A very similar setup on my XC70 is on its way out, causing CEL on fuel system too rich (a common problem) and I can't really be bothered to replace it with a complete, new setup, instead of just replacing it with a length of hose and calling it a day.

Thanks.
 
#19 ·
It's only going to effect pedal feel and if you have emergency braking if the car lost power you just have to make sure you have enough leg strength to make it all work but with deleting the vacuum booster will give you better control and feel over the brakes, or racing. (No booster). Just wanted to see where the OPs head was at.

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Found this when looking for threads pertaining to checking the vacuum switch at the booster. I have to say, it's a pointless mod from the perspective of making your bay 'cleaner'. If you like it, that's all that counts, it's your car.

Some factory system removal/deletes make sense - such as the SAS pump on 850/x70 series - this one not so much ;). There are three check valves in the system - the one at the manifold, one at the pump, and the one before the booster. Same design valve as used back into the '80's on Volvos, never ever heard of one failing 'closed'. Inside is just a small spring and a rubber disc. Manifold vacuum pulls the disc against the spring pressure.

The setup works well - I just added one to my old '91 Volvo to provide constant vacuum to the HVAC - on these the vent settings drop out pretty quickly once you get into positive pressure.

On yours, what would make the bay cleaner would be a better designed bracket to support the ECU - what you have does not look good. Even if you just painted it black it would be better, so it doesn't pop out
 
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Found this when looking for threads pertaining to checking the vacuum switch at the booster. I have to say, it's a pointless mod from the perspective of making your bay 'cleaner'. If you like it, that's all that counts, it's your car.

Some factory system removal/deletes make sense - such as the SAS pump on 850/x70 series - this one not so much ;). There are three check valves in the system - the one at the manifold, one at the pump, and the one before the booster. Same design valve as used back into the '80's on Volvos, never ever heard of one failing 'closed'. Inside is just a small spring and a rubber disc. Manifold vacuum pulls the disc against the spring pressure.

The setup works well - I just added one to my old '91 Volvo to provide constant vacuum to the HVAC - on these the vent settings drop out pretty quickly once you get into positive pressure.

On yours, what would make the bay cleaner would be a better designed bracket to support the ECU - what you have does not look good. Even if you just painted it black it would be better, so it doesn't pop out
I agree about the ECU bracket, it's only temporary.

Removing the pump does make the bay cleaner, and eventually the ECU will be mounted more where the pump was. Thanks for the input though.

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When reading this thread something on my car came into my mind. A mechanic who was working on my car (in his spare time) has broken off one valve which i believe is part of the whole brake booster system. He fixed it by just replacing the valve with a piece of metal, see picture attatched. Is this in any way affecting the intended function of the whole system or is this okay the way it is now?
Sorry for highjacking, just thought when people are discussing the brake booster thing they can maybe give me a quick answer without me creating a new thread. Thanks!

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Not 100% sure what issues that would cause but that check valve I believe is there to prevent excess boost from leaking back into the other side of the intake manifold, there is another one on the opposite side of it as well. That's one that should 100% be there.

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I agree with @lookforjoe and @evy0311. I think without that check valve the intake plenum will bleed boost to the turbo intake pipe and then back into the turbo and over again.

In mine there's two check valves: the one @Joshude is missing, which has the flow orientation to the intake plenum. And there's another at the other end of the pipe with flow direction to the turbo intake pipe after the MAF sensor. Basically both check valves with opposite flow directions. Can anyone confirm if this is ok?
 
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Thanks! The guy found the part number for the whole pipe including the valve, about 100$ from Volvo.
I do not have the part number, does anyone have it or a fitting generic checkvalve p/n?

Is this the right one?
 
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Any chance you can confirm the flow direction of both check valves? (See my previous comment) Thanks.
Do you have a pic of the tubes? On my 2012 C30 T5, the tube fitting on the inlet pipe is part of the vacuum tree that attaches to the plenum, brake booster & vacuum pump.

The one from the underside goes back toward the bulkhead - I assume for HVAC - I've not looked specifically - you can see where it doglegs over the engine harness casing

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Typically, any/all check valves are there to prevent positive pressure pushing back - so the "motor' (draw) side of the valve will always face the vacuum source (intake hose/pipe, plenum, etc. You can confirm this by applying suction to the valve & then try blowing into it. You should be able to draw through the valve from the plenum end and from the inlet end, but no pressure should pass.
 
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I'll check it out when I get back home, but as far I saw it is a tubing that has check valves on both ends with opposite flow directions.

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Okay, letting the codes come from a faulty voltage... The engine running that jerky, can that be caused by the missing checkvalve after a hard braking?
Or was maybe the voltage too low (car was sitting for weeks without running) and due to hard braking the electronics just were doing funny things? Hard Braking was maybe 1km after starting the car, so no time to let the battery load properly
 
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Honestly it could've been from the check valve missing if it was running jerky but I'm not 100% sure, you said it runs fine now? If no codes come back and it runs fine I'd say maybe valve was it.

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#40 ·
I've been running this setup for this whole year now with no issues.

I've run a section of 8mm silicone vac hose from the one way valve at the intake to the firewall connection, with the second port on the one way valve blocked off with a silicone cap.

I did have a similar voltage issue to one of the above posters and it turned out that the mechanic who did the cam seals didn't attach one of the cylinder head earth straps back up properly.
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#41 ·
Curiously, I was looking at XC70s for sale yesterday for giggles, and I noticed something on the T5 motor model.

As some may know, the T5 motor was used by Volvo for several years even after our cars were discontinued. The newer version of the T5 motor had some upgrades and pushes slightly more HP than ours from the factory.

What I noticed was that the newer T5 motor does not have the brake booster vacuum pump in the same location we do, and there is no tangled vacuum line mess in that area. Also, the upper intake manifold doesn’t have a line going into it, and instead there is a sensor in its location. I’m going to do some more research to see if Volvo just did away with this vacuum booster pump, or if they changed the system up somehow. See picture below for reference.

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As some may know, the T5 motor was used by Volvo for several years even after our cars were discontinued. The newer version of the T5 motor had some upgrades and pushes slightly more HP than ours from the factory.
I believe the B5254T5 is just the P1 FL with the polestar upgrade. It has same internals as our engines. Granted, there may be slight differences to adapt it into a different platform. But essentially are the same. Until the B5254T12, this one has different internals and also less stroke (92.3mm vs 93.2mm). I’m intrigued about the camshaft profiles and if they are interchangeable with ours.
So a while ago I made this spread sheet to compare engine part numbers. I still have to finish it:

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According to the Elevate website, this is the MAP sensor on newer T5 motors. I’m assuming they don’t have a pressure sensor then on the cold side of the IC like we do.



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I’m not sure what that valve/sensor is. It looks like some sort of sensor since it has a wiring harness. Our cars do not have that atleast not in this location. If you can identify what it is, it may be possible to keep it or do away.


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