Compatible AW-1 trans fluid

John C · May 7, 2022

I thought by quoting your post it would be clear what I meant, but apparently you missed my point. If "a few people posted how in their late 3.2 they put 3309 and the shifts were harsher from the thicker fluid " I must have missed those posts. Perhaps you could be so good as to post links to posts by people who have XC90s with serial number greater than 568000 who have used 3309 and had issues that were cured by changing to the later fluid. The only thing even close that I could find was this: "I've been running 3309 for 6mo now with no problems. Shifts the same." 2011 XC90 Fluids

ChitownV · May 7, 2022

Just move on John C, again. I’m not the only one who keeps saying this.

Again you have never changed XC90 transmission fluids. You can search yourself. My responses are based on mine and members’ real-world experiences.

Please stop trying to take over threads. The OP has already been helped.

ChitownV · May 7, 2022

I committed only a quick search. In one minute I came up with how the shifting feels with WS vs the incorrect 3309. In the thread link you provided, I have the same thread & member posting updates comparing 3309 vs WS with improved shifting with WS (vs 3309) fluid for the transmissions that call for it. The same thread you linked is also full of data showing the VIN cut-off. When you try to limit the information and members' experiences, it reveals you are trying to hide something. I wouldn't expect you @John C to understand how the shifting 'feels' with newer fluids since you have never changed fluids on the TF-80SC. Now move on from trying to take over good honest threads.

Transmission fluids (2010+) - potential error in...

Transmission fluids (2010+) - potential error in owner's manual (error confirmed) - JWS 3309 vs AW-1 (JWS 3324) I've noticed some discrepancies between owner's manuals, VIDA, Volvo parts online portal and IPD. The TF-80SC switched away from JWS 3309 in TF-80SC generation 2 - however some...

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Transmission fluids (2010+) - potential error in...

Transmission fluids (2010+) - potential error in owner's manual (error confirmed) - JWS 3309 vs AW-1 (JWS 3324) I've noticed some discrepancies between owner's manuals, VIDA, Volvo parts online portal and IPD. The TF-80SC switched away from JWS 3309 in TF-80SC generation 2 - however some...

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John C · May 8, 2022

I'm not sure why I waste my time. I ask for supporting data and you respond with irrelevant information. Hopefully this exercise will help someone wade through the obfuscation and get to the facts.

You quote this, but the link goes elsewhere:

generic_volvo_driver said:
Heard from Volvo... Turns out it is the VIN break, regardless of year. It's actually approx post 2010 it changes to the new fluid.

John C said:
Volvo customer support told me that the owner's manual is correct.

At least one of these Volvos is incorrect (apologies to Louis Rukeyser.)

When I spoke with Volvo I laid out all the conflicting data (serial number break, exception in the TJ, Owner's manuals, parts listings, an who knows what else). Their answer was unambiguous: the Owner's manual is correct; my 2011 XC90 with serial number greater than 568000 uses 3309.

ChitownV said:
The same thread you linked is also full of data showing the VIN cut-off.

You know no one is disputing the serial number cutoff; the dispute centers on the exception spelled out in the TJ and the conflicting data in the owner's manual.

One of your links leads to this:

generic_volvo_driver said:
As a followup, I changed my transmission fluid to Toyota Type WS. It shifts smoother than the 3309 on my 2013. My 1-2 shift is a lot softer. My guess is there was software changes to take advantage of the lower viscosity fluid.

Model year 2013 is not in dispute. Both the TJ and the serial number break (and no doubt the owner's manual, too) clearly state that XC90s from 2013 on up use AW-1. 3309 is the wrong fluid for that transmission.

The other link leads to this:

jschaefer7406 said:
Wish I’d found this when I had my XC60 R-Design.

The question is about XC90s, not XC60s. There is no dispute over the validity of the serial number break for the XC60.

So, I ask again, can you show me, and everyone else, the reports of XC90 transmissions in vehicles with SN > 568000 and model year < 2013 (the disputed range) that have had 3309 used in a fluid change, had a problem arise in concert with that fluid change, and had that problem corrected by changing to AW-1?

Maybe you can agree with me that there is conflicting information, and it is up to each individual to evaluate the facts and make up his own mind without fear of personal attack.

ChitownV · May 8, 2022

John C said:
The good news is, to date, I'm not aware of anyone who has reported issues with choosing the wrong one, so, maybe, as I suggested before, it really doesn't matter from a practical standpoint.

Wrong. It does matter using the correct fluid..

Now move on from taking over another thread and ruining this wonderful forum.

ggleavitt · May 8, 2022

The day someone can track structure week for the TF-80SC GEN2 into the XC90 is the day you'll have the answer. The AW fluid ties directly to the updated transmission, it's the most obvious link of any that has ever come up.

ChitownV · May 8, 2022

ggleavitt said:
The day someone can track structure week for the TF-80SC GEN2 into the XC90 is the day you'll have the answer. The AW fluid ties directly to the updated transmission, it's the most obvious link of any that has ever come up.

This thread was a concern about using the wrong fluid during the crossover period since it can be unclear. A real-world solution was given to try for the OP’s own XC90. The OP thanked everyone.

You couldn’t stay away even after the thread had already been exhausted.

ggleavitt · May 8, 2022

@ChitownV, you have NO idea as to exactly when the shift to AW in Production occurs, stop trying to act like you do. None of us does. The real answer to this exact question transcends anything you're theorizing in this individual thread so why not go and make the effort to find out what the truth is instead of arguing with folks who have legitimate data points in hand expressing a counter opinion?

And I'll come and go in this forum as I choose, not you. If you have an issue with this, bring it up to Chris.

ggleavitt · May 8, 2022

Having re-read this thread @Scycotic is right, this subject has been discussed ad nauseum. Unfortunately it's still an issue to many and has been a sore point for a number of years. There's a chassis break in which the TF-80SC Gen2 transmission gets put into the XC90 in Sweden and while we all thought it was 568001, there have been some documents which refute that as a defining point. I've since left my position of the chassis number being the key and I'm eager to see if anyone can come up with a structure week correlation.

@ChitownV has the best advice, do a partial with 3309 and you can't go wrong. The Gen2 changes are in another post (they're mostly mileage related) and I'm more than sure folks are using a bunch of different fluids today.

OP, I owe you one for disrupting your thread. @JohnC, I'll try and call the folks that do the remans on the TF-80SC if they're still around. They helped me a number of years ago understand the alphanumeric serial number breaks so maybe they'll know the transmission SN break for Gen2 and we can go from there. I'll post any result on another thread.

ChitownV · May 8, 2022

To summarize.

ggleavitt said:
@ChitownV has the best advice, do a partial with 3309 and you can't go wrong.

OP, I owe you one for disrupting your thread.

ggleavitt said:
Having re-read this thread @Scycotic is right, this subject has been discussed ad nauseum.

ggleavitt · May 8, 2022

Folks, the first page you come to on this site has a banner over on the right:

SwedeSpeed - Volvo Performance Forum
Since 2000
A forum community dedicated to Volvo owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about performance, builds, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, new releases, and more!
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That's the summary folks might want to pay attention to.

I'll still commit to doing some legwork on the question, while I personally don't have a Gen2 TF-80SC in either of my vehicles but I'm self-incentivized enough to follow the path a little further. Aisin-Warner SN prefix to MMYY and/or structure week of XC90 production integration for the Gen2 are good reference points and probably should have been pursued (my me or others) in 2017 when @generic_volvo_driver ric_volvo_driver created the first thread and the TJ first came up.

I actually posed the question in December 2016- Right Fluid for TF-80SC (Post MY10)? in the event fact makes any difference. John's right, there's a documentation conflict and I personally no longer believe that 568001 is the exact date when the Gen2 TF-8SCs get put into the XC90. So to me the question remains valid whether you've decided to move on or not. Yes, the D&F w 3309 advice to the OP is great but it still does not definitively answer the cutoff question.

@ChitownV, you'll need the last word, I get it. But as folks read your next response it's important for you and everyone else to recognize the spirit of this forum. Ownership is not a prerequisite to being a member nor is actually doing a specific job. At least they weren't when I joined this forum in 2005.

ChitownV · May 8, 2022

ggleavitt said:
Folks, the first page you come to on this site has a banner over on the right:

SwedeSpeed - Volvo Performance Forum
Since 2000
A forum community dedicated to Volvo owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about performance, builds, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, new releases, and more!
3.7Mposts 119Kmembers

That's the summary folks might want to pay attention to.

I'll still commit to doing some legwork on the question, while I personally don't have a Gen2 TF-80SC in either of my vehicles but I'm self-incentivized enough to follow the path a little further. Aisin-Warner SN prefix to MMYY and/or structure week of XC90 production integration for the Gen2 are good reference points and probably should have been pursued (my me or others) in 2017 when @generic_volvo_driver ric_volvo_driver created the first thread and the TJ first came up.

I actually posed the question in December 2016- Right Fluid for TF-80SC (Post MY10)? in the event fact makes any difference. John's right, there's a documentation conflict and I personally no longer believe that 568001 is the exact date when the Gen2 TF-8SCs get put into the XC90. So to me the question remains valid whether you've decided to move on or not. Yes, the D&F w 3309 advice to the OP is great but it still does not definitively answer the cutoff question.

@ChitownV, you'll need the last word, I get it. But as folks read your next response it's important for you and everyone else to recognize the spirit of this forum. Ownership is not a prerequisite to being a member nor is actually doing a specific job. At least they weren't when I joined this forum in 2005.

Actually @ggleavitt, you jumped into this thread after it was long finished to argue and defend @John C, a pattern you have a long history of doing, as long as it’s against me.

Time for you to also move on as you have recognized I gave the best advice as the OP is looking to change transmission fluids now. The OP already recognized the VIN break and the ambiguity. The OP has already done homework and continued to research after this thread started.

Some friendly advice, if you’d like to continue the VIN crossover or the Gen2 issue with whatever you find, you are more than welcome to start your own thread rather than take over someone else’s. It does this forum no good to jump in last minute just to argue against me on your theories of what you didn’t do.

ChitownV · May 8, 2022

I’ll repeat @ggleavitt own words so he gets the last word.

ggleavitt said:
@ChitownV has the best advice, do a partial with 3309 and you can't go wrong.

OP, I owe you one for disrupting your thread.

ggleavitt said:
Having re-read this thread @Scycotic is right, this subject has been discussed ad nauseum.

ehagerty · May 9, 2022

Its all good guys...... all food for thought and part of the learning curve. The volvo is going to ba a learning experience since most all my past experience has been german cars. But then I just purchased a Lotus Elise this past weekend so I have two interestingly engineered cars

generic_volvo_driver · May 9, 2022

ehagerty said:
Its all good guys...... all food for thought and part of the learning curve. The volvo is going to ba a learning experience since most all my past experience has been german cars. But then I just purchased a Lotus Elise this past weekend so I have two interestingly engineered cars

I have my undergrad degree in EE and love the engineering behind my Volvo. The engineering behind my 2012 XC60 sold me on Volvo for the long run!

EJfromupstairs · May 9, 2022

Not sure how useful this is, but at the very least it's another data point. I just called my local Volvo dealer, told him I am changing my auto transmission fluid, and gave the parts guy my VIN number. It's a 2011 XC90 with a chassis number in the post 568000 area (it's 590XXX). He said my number puts me in the later category, post-break. However, he said Volvo is notoriously tight on their shared info, so it doesn't list the actual type of transmission fluid, just that it's different than the type listed for pre 568000, according to their database. It's $37.37 per quart. My assumption is that if I went into the dealer to buy transmission fluid, they would sell me AW-1.

ChitownV · May 9, 2022

Yup, as discussed in previous threads including the ‘Ultimate’ thread, I also called the dealership, talked with FCP, and also referenced Aisin’s own catalogue. Others have contacted Volvo dealerships and corporate. This topic has already been thoroughly visited in the past years by numerous people.

ehagerty · May 10, 2022

Since it is an older trans with 138k miles and assume with all the other lack of maintenance issues I will do a partial with 3309 to have the slightly thicker fluid and see how it reacts. A sliver of MPG is irreverent to me with this school bus since it is to be used for an utility car

EJfromupstairs · May 10, 2022

ehagerty said:
Since it is an older trans with 138k miles and assume with all the other lack of maintenance issues I will do a partial with 3309 to have the slightly thicker fluid and see how it reacts. A sliver of MPG is irreverent to me with this school bus since it is to be used for an utility car

Mine has 135k and I am about to do the same thing, but probably not for another couple weeks. I'm looking forward to comparing notes since we both have 2011s with VINs in the mystery range.

John C · May 10, 2022

I recall we concluded a while back that the cutoff chassis 568001 coincides with the beginning of the 2011 model year, but I may be missremembering that. Anyhow, that would make all MY 2011s in the disputed range.

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