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XC90 Hybrid - Charging and MPG questions

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#1 ·
With the 2018 xc90 hybrid - how often do you have to charge it if you're not running it in pure electric mode? The 14 miles seems too small to be useful for my needs - so was thinking of the overall MPG on the road; and if it works like a lot of other electric cars that you don't have to charge - the breaking does it for you. (Does anyone know real world MPG on this - and how do you use the car in actual everyday life).
 
#2 ·
You don't have to plug it in at all if you don't want to (or can't). It will function like a regular hybrid vehicle, just a little less efficiently than if you were able to charge the battery regularly. However, there is also a setting that you can turn on that will charge the battery with the gas engine while you are driving. It's good for those long trips where you want to make sure that you can run in Pure when you reach your destination. Plus, the on-board generator that produces electrical power on demand so that you will always have AWD available even when the battery is drained.
 
#4 ·
My average after one year and 11,000 miles (17,800 km) is 43 mpg (5.4L). I charge it pretty much everyday whenever I need to top it up. Amazing fuel economy for a large 7 seater SUV 👍
 
#5 · (Edited)
Go to http://www.fuelly.com/car/volvo/xc90?engineconfig_id=341&bodytype_id=&submodel_id=. You can drill down to many individual T8s, including mine, if you wish to analyze results. I do not know what percentage of people on fuelly.com can charge everyday.

With my MY16, I am averaging 33.5 lifetime over 20K miles which includes several 1000+ mile trips and one pulling a U-Haul trailer. I typically charge once per day. When I travel, charging from the grid is not always possible, but my average mpg is still decent. I typically use Pure on short commute trips. Otherwise, I use Hybrid most of the time with some occasion Power. As with anything, you will need to finesse the application of the throttle if you're goal is to maximize gas mileage and range. I generally put the car in either Hold mode or Charge mode when I exceed 50-60 mph for extended periods of time. Once I am in stop-n-go traffic or local traffic at 50 mph or less, I will be in Pure or Hybrid with hold and charge turned off.
 
#7 ·
How heavy was the trailer and for how long did you tow it? I'm curious as we have an R-Pod. We'll continue to tow this winter with our 3.2 only cause we don't yet have Hakkapellitta for the T8. We will also use our T8 for towing. A few weekends ago I tried it and it wonderful but for a short distance couldn't adequately gauge it's fuel economy, especially since it was mostly uphill.
 
#6 ·
I charge mine every day, and often multiple times a day...basically every time I park in my garage. We do a lot of short trips where we’re able to go fully on electric between charges. We’re getting 48 MPGs over the past year / 10,000 miles, but in the summer with warmer weather (better batter performance over cold winters) we were getting over 60 MPGs.
 
#17 · (Edited)
I charge mine every day, and often multiple times a day...basically every time I park in my garage. We do a lot of short trips where we're able to go fully on electric between charges. We're getting 48 MPGs over the past year / 10,000 miles, but in the summer with warmer weather (better batter performance over cold winters) we were getting over 60 MPGs.
I also charge mine every evening, and was averaging 45 mpg doing a 42 mile each way commute, when traffic was slow I would get over 50 mpg on a one way trip.

My office just moved closer so my commute is now 25 miles one way, and if I don't get 60 mpg I'm annoyed, my best so far for the 25 mile trip (mostly freeway) was 82mpg.

On the weekends around town the engine usually dosen't run.

So not only are you getting great gas millage, but on my car with 12K miles, the IC engine has probably only been on for 6K, add the fact that I'm light on the brakes on the freeway (breaking lightly early) the pads and rotors are probably 50% less ware than a conventional non hybrid vheicle, so so other benefits than fuel milage alone.

EDIT I do also charge at work. I'll be posting to Fuelly again if I EVER drain this tank of gas .... :)
 
#8 ·
The mpg is overall pretty good for a 400hp truck. That said, this is not a fuel economy car. If it got 30+ miles elec distance it would be a lot more respectable but as a hybrid heavy truck it isn't bad at all. Then again the electric car market is just beginning to take off and I'm sure in a few years things will look quite different. This segment isn't going away which means more r&d and more competition and that is a good thing.
 
#9 ·
We do mostly city driving and can get by on the electric battery most of the time. However, we do about 1 road trip a month. In a given month, we may fill up the tank once. On road trips when we quickly exhaust the battery and are running in gas/hybrid mode, we'll get around 25 mpg for the trip. LTD, we're around 32 mpg total blended. That's pretty good when you compare with the XC90's competition:

From fueleconomy.gov
Audi Q7 3.0 (19/25 - 21 Combined)
Honda Pilot AWD (19/26 - 22 Combined)
Infinity QX60 (19/26 - 22 Combined)
Infinity QX60 Hybrid (25/27 - 26 Combined)

That's 33-50% better gas mileage than the competition. However, the T8 is more expensive than every vehicle in this class. You're also paying for the 400 hp performance. You can have your cake and eat it too, but that cake will be more expensive.
 
#14 ·
You are forgetting that there is a price to charge as well. I just looked at my September chargepoint statement and it cost me $27 to charge for the month. Between that and the tank of gas for the month, and we are calculating mpg in terms of cost, it is more like 15%-25% better than the competition.
 
#13 ·
I charge mine even when I drive for 3KMs so that I can awlays have a fully charged battery. Since my daily range is less than 25KMs, I virtually use 0L of fuel daily. But it's when I drive further I begin to see the "not-so-optimal" fuel range. But that's because I drive my T8 reasonably fast and don't drive it like Lexus and Toyota Hybrid car drivers, who drive at crawling speeds just because their hybrids cannot be charged with an electric plug and have to rely on the system kicking in when driving at very low speeds.
 
#16 ·
I have the 2018 R. Charge at home every night and everyday at work. I get ~20-25 miles on electric each way to and from work. Work is 38 miles away. With lots of weeknights and weekends driving the kids around I get 38.5 MPG combined.
 
#18 ·
I recently signed up for a service (TeslaFI.com) to track my exact usage in our Tesla for a few months in an attempt to more accurately answer the question "If I were back to driving a plug-in Hybrid with XX miles of EV range, just how much of that driving would be on electric vs gas?". Before I had the Tesla, I owned a gen 1 Volt (with 35 miles of EV range before it switched to gas) and over 34K miles, approximately 80% of those miles were on battery (I think I went 3400 miles on one tank of gas at one point). My driving has since changed (I work from home now). It really comes down to how many miles you drive relative to how many charging opportunities you have per trip. These two examples end up being very different:

(assumption: 20 miles of EV range on a charge, max)

Best Case 60 Miles in One Day over three trips
1. Trip 1, 20 miles round trip - home to destination to back home
2. Charge at home for 2 hours

3. Trip 2, 20 miles round trip - home to destination to back home
4. Charge at home for 2 hours

5. Trip 3, 20 miles round trip - home to destination to back home
6. Charge at home for 2 hours

In this example, you potentially use ZERO gas and all 60 miles are 100% electric!

Worst Case 60 Miles in One Day over one trip
1. Trip 1, 60 miles round trip - home to destination to back home

In this example, the first 20 miles of the trip are electric and the remaining 40 are on gas so 33% electric.

Your weekend driving pattern will often look very different from your weekday pattern. Indeed, what I am seeing is that since my wife and I both work from home, our Mon-Fri driving would be primarily on battery, but our weekend driving blows that out of the water. Last month I calculated that less that 25% of of the miles we drove would have been on electric with a T8... :(

Honestly, there is NO WAY I would spend the money for a plug-in Hybrid and NOT plug it in! Just the joy of driving on electric is worth it, much less the gas savings.
 
#19 ·
While not getting to plug in during most of our summer vacation (lack of compatible EVSEs across EU - old Type 1 standard in NA vs. newer/longer lasting Type 2 across EU) we were averaging about 22mpg (which included a mix of highway cruising typically around 180-200km/h and occasionally while through Germany at up to 220-230km/h - left hand traffic :), and city driving). I was able to capture energy through regenerative braking while in highway traffic several times up to 100% and enjoy Pure and even Hybrid in town.

Now that we’re charging daily we are averaging 56mpg (about 4.2L/100km). It’s amazing around town. My only wish is that it had more e-HP, perhaps 100hp and 25mi range. At 20mi Pure range it’s been great and only a few times would the extra miles made a difference between gas and ⚡. The bigger need is more power to get up 14-16% grades at speed limits. While traveling in traffic at about 20-25mph, 87hp is plenty. At 45mph it’s not enough to get up the hills. Still it’s such a rush even when ⛽ kicks in and on a 17-20 mile trip we score 168mpg! During the week I’m getting to charge up about 2x/day (during the day and at the end of the day with preconditioning in the morning before heading off for school/work).
 
#20 ·
I'm fairly impressed so far. Our average over the first 2k miles has been around 40MPG. There have been no long trips (nothing over 100 miles round trip) in there. I charge every night, and sometimes between trips during the day. I live in a fairly mountainous area with plenty of hills but no real traffic. Most trips are on backroads at 50MPH and some highways at 75MPH. Some stop and go traffic as well.
Many of the trips in the car are 15 miles. If I'm really careful and don't have to pull out of a road fast or hit a big incline, I go all electric. Usual day:
To bus stop in morning: .5 round trip plus 5 minutes of sitting with heat or AC on
To a store: 8 miles round trip
To practice: 25 miles round trip
To gym or elsewhere: 8 miles round trip

In comparison, I figure I spend a little more than I do on my X5 diesel to drive once some longer trips come into play:
X5: 26MPG average: $2.60/gallon (diesel) over a month (1000 miles) = 38.5 gallons or $100
XC: 35MPG average: $3.00/gallon (premium) over a month (1000 miles) = 28.5 gallons or $85 + $25 electric for $110 total
 
#22 ·
The most I had on a single tank was 1897 miles. Current tank is at 1200. I have had a few between 900 and 1300. On long trips the range has been around 300 to 330 miles and it would take 11 to 12 gallons at that point.
 
#26 ·
My electric bills have been averaging about $9 more per month since getting my T8. My gas cost savings has been averaging about $41 per month over my other hybrid vehicle all things being equal. So my net savings is $32 per month. Big deal. But the cool factor is way more valuable. I keep track of it because I am a geek.
 
#27 · (Edited)
Lucky folks, here in CA you are going to pay $.22-$.25 by kWh. I have measured the T8 uses about 7-9kWh a day charging the way we use it. That comes out to $2 a day and $60 a month for charging.
Gas where I live right now hovers around $3.60-$3.75 for premium. So filling up the tank costs $68 (A little more than the cost of charging for a month).

We've done 2.50 full tanks since we got our car (2k miles) so getting 800 miles per fillup is pretty good for me. Comes out to around a 42.5 combined eMPG.

The combined MPG rated for the non-hybrid is 25. Which means a tank of 18.8 (2021) model would get 470 miles, which is 330 less per tank than what I am getting with the hybrid.

Doing the math those 825 extra miles (330x2.5) would cost me about $118-$120 at the pump. Which means with the way that I drive we are not saving any money with the hybrid engine.

A few things to note
  • Still feels go to use only electric and the extra power is a nice bonus
  • When we do just city driving we only use Pure and can get by for days without using any gas
  • We do a lot of short (15-30min) highway driving which isn't the best case scenario for the electric engine it seems
  • I drive 5-15MPH over the speed limit on the highways a lot which destroys your fuel efficiency regardless of car :D
  • I really need solar, haha