Did volvo ever make a Disel car? And if so does anyone have one for sale.
onefastvolvo
Re: Volvo Disel (VolvoMax)
In the 200 series cars, weren't the diesels based on the inline 6? Would that make them a "260" Diesel? I remember looking at a sedan back in 1990, and I thought it was badged as a "260"?
I hadn't heard about any 700 series cars with diesels. Does anyone know if they were 4 or 6 cylinders?
glsable
In the 200 series cars, weren't the diesels based on the inline 6? Would that make them a "260" Diesel? I remember looking at a sedan back in 1990, and I thought it was badged as a "260"?
I hadn't heard about any 700 series cars with diesels. Does anyone know if they were 4 or 6 cylinders?
glsable
Re: Volvo Disel (glsable)
Apparently, the D24 engine was a 2.4L 6 cyl. That was what was offered in the 240.
740 had a D24T which was a turbodiesel.
They were VW engines stretched from 4 to 6 cyl.
| Quote, originally posted by glsable » |
| In the 200 series cars, weren't the diesels based on the inline 6? Would that make them a "260" Diesel? I remember looking at a sedan back in 1990, and I thought it was badged as a "260"? I hadn't heard about any 700 series cars with diesels. Does anyone know if they were 4 or 6 cylinders? glsable |
Apparently, the D24 engine was a 2.4L 6 cyl. That was what was offered in the 240.
740 had a D24T which was a turbodiesel.
They were VW engines stretched from 4 to 6 cyl.
Re: Volvo Disel (glsable)
No because diesel downgrades the car so it was not 264D (even at present date imho a diesel powered car is a class lower ... i prefer a 530i above a 745d period!!!! it smells, it's dirty (gives us cancer), produces annoying sound, boring to drive (small rev-band and too much torque for the amount hp it produces)
740 diesel was also the same VW straight 6 but with a turbo ... 940-960diesel had the same rattle-crap infront as 7serie.
850TDI in YM96 was THE best engine VW-AUDI-group made (visited the engine plant then the tour-guide said that himself) and was only used by Volvo. (Volvo made plans during the 80's to produce a diesel-engine their own but the project was canceled ...it was ready for production when 850 was introduced in 1991 (engine was based already back then on the petrol straight 5) ... the D5 introduced in S60 at YM2001 is infact based on it but it had the Common-rail-technic (1 rail that feeds the injectors at a high pressure, much the same as the rail in petrol ones but than at a much higher pressure, petrol only around 30Bar).
| Quote, originally posted by glsable » |
| In the 200 series cars, weren't the diesels based on the inline 6? Would that make them a "260" Diesel? I remember looking at a sedan back in 1990, and I thought it was badged as a "260"? I hadn't heard about any 700 series cars with diesels. Does anyone know if they were 4 or 6 cylinders? glsable |
No because diesel downgrades the car so it was not 264D (even at present date imho a diesel powered car is a class lower ... i prefer a 530i above a 745d period!!!! it smells, it's dirty (gives us cancer), produces annoying sound, boring to drive (small rev-band and too much torque for the amount hp it produces)
740 diesel was also the same VW straight 6 but with a turbo ... 940-960diesel had the same rattle-crap infront as 7serie.
850TDI in YM96 was THE best engine VW-AUDI-group made (visited the engine plant then the tour-guide said that himself) and was only used by Volvo. (Volvo made plans during the 80's to produce a diesel-engine their own but the project was canceled ...it was ready for production when 850 was introduced in 1991 (engine was based already back then on the petrol straight 5) ... the D5 introduced in S60 at YM2001 is infact based on it but it had the Common-rail-technic (1 rail that feeds the injectors at a high pressure, much the same as the rail in petrol ones but than at a much higher pressure, petrol only around 30Bar).
Re: Volvo Disel (onefastvolvo)
Right now in Europe, the Volvo Diesel engines get great reviews and are considered some of the best available. Only Volvo knows for shure if they intend to bring the Diesel engines state side. Right now there are some significant differences between the tail pipe emissions. It is expensive to certify engines and there are some strict requirements coming up in the next two years. The one good thing is that the USA has finaly switched to low sulfer fuel. The old high sulfer fuel prevents the implementation of a lot the new high-tech diesel engines from Europe. I personally would have to have had the option to get my V70 with the D5 engine... time will tell.
As a side note we were in Holland on vacation this year and we had a Ford Transit Van so that we could all travel together (8 of us in total). This has a little 2.x liter 4 cyl diesel engine and a 5 sp manual. I could not believe how nice and pepy the van was even with all eight of us aboard. The engine was quite both inside and outside the car. There was also absolutely none of the typical diesel smell when we stood behind the van and the engine was running. Most Americans have no clue how quiet, refined and fuel efficient modern diesels are.
Happy Swedish Motoring,
André
Right now in Europe, the Volvo Diesel engines get great reviews and are considered some of the best available. Only Volvo knows for shure if they intend to bring the Diesel engines state side. Right now there are some significant differences between the tail pipe emissions. It is expensive to certify engines and there are some strict requirements coming up in the next two years. The one good thing is that the USA has finaly switched to low sulfer fuel. The old high sulfer fuel prevents the implementation of a lot the new high-tech diesel engines from Europe. I personally would have to have had the option to get my V70 with the D5 engine... time will tell.
As a side note we were in Holland on vacation this year and we had a Ford Transit Van so that we could all travel together (8 of us in total). This has a little 2.x liter 4 cyl diesel engine and a 5 sp manual. I could not believe how nice and pepy the van was even with all eight of us aboard. The engine was quite both inside and outside the car. There was also absolutely none of the typical diesel smell when we stood behind the van and the engine was running. Most Americans have no clue how quiet, refined and fuel efficient modern diesels are.
Happy Swedish Motoring,
André
Re: Volvo Disel (onefastvolvo)
As others pointed out, Volvo did sell some diesel cars in the USA in the Early to mid 1980's. The 1st car to get one was the 260. That was a 6 cyl 2.4 engine that was sourced from Audi. That car was a complete DOG when it came to driving. Acceleration was increadibly slow, to the point where you'd have a hard time getting up to speed on a highway on-ramp. The 760 Turbo Diesel on the other hand was a completely different beest. With the addition of a Turbo, the diesel engine was transformed into quite a peppy car. There was some serious tubo lag when to accelerated off the line. The first second or two the car would more kind of slowly. As you hit around 3000 RPM, you'd hit the power band and the car would take off like a rocket. It was never as fast as the Turbo Intercooled Gasoline engines, but it was significantly faster than the B23/B230. Once you were cruising and the engine's high torque made for a wonderful highway cruiser. Winter starting wasn't bad. We only once had the diesel gell in the fuel filter. I can an extension hose outside and put and pointe a hair drier at the fuel filter. Within a little while I was able to get the car started again. We also had an '81 Old with the huge 5.x liter diesel engine. Though that car could get an amazing 30 MPG on the highway, getting that pig started in the winter at times would take TWO additional cars in addition to the two batteries it had. The Volvo diesel was much easier to live with.
One problem that we experienced (twice) and that I later found out was not unusual was the oil starvation problems. Our mechanic explained to me that the oil was delivered at one end of the engine and it had to cascade to the other end. This caused some oil starvation during startup. This design worked fine for VW/Audi in the 4 cyl and 5 cyl version of this engine, but with 6 cylinders they realy should have had the oil delivered to the middle. If you drove a lot of short distances you tended to trash the engine around 100,000 miles. If you drove the car all day long, the engine could easily last 500,000 miles. I know there was a guy in Maine who specialized in overhauling these engines and did some minor modifications to help make the engine better. This same diesel expert also pretty much insisted on using Mobile 1 synthetic oil. With the changes he made and the extra protection of synthetic oil most of the early engine deaths could have been prevented. Sadly I found out about this after we wore out the 2nd engine.
The USA never saw the D24TIC, the Intercooled version of the D24. The Intercooler just like with the gasoline Turbo cars that Volvo was then making realy helped up the power output and also dramatically lowered intake temperatures thereby further reducing engine stress and make it a better, longer lasting engine. By the time that engine was ready, GM had done enough damage with their diesel engine to convince most Americans that diesel cars sucked. In case you don't know GM took a Gasoline engine design and "upgraded" the block so that it could be used with Diesel... histroy shows that it was a VERY bad design move. Strangely we actually have very little trouble with our GM diesel engine... it was the transmissions that would be completely trashed after 50 to 60K that had my dad completely steaming mad at GM. When he talked to GM to complain they told us we were getting above average life out of our transmissions. Needless to say that was the last GM they ever owned.
Happy Swedish Motoring,
André
As others pointed out, Volvo did sell some diesel cars in the USA in the Early to mid 1980's. The 1st car to get one was the 260. That was a 6 cyl 2.4 engine that was sourced from Audi. That car was a complete DOG when it came to driving. Acceleration was increadibly slow, to the point where you'd have a hard time getting up to speed on a highway on-ramp. The 760 Turbo Diesel on the other hand was a completely different beest. With the addition of a Turbo, the diesel engine was transformed into quite a peppy car. There was some serious tubo lag when to accelerated off the line. The first second or two the car would more kind of slowly. As you hit around 3000 RPM, you'd hit the power band and the car would take off like a rocket. It was never as fast as the Turbo Intercooled Gasoline engines, but it was significantly faster than the B23/B230. Once you were cruising and the engine's high torque made for a wonderful highway cruiser. Winter starting wasn't bad. We only once had the diesel gell in the fuel filter. I can an extension hose outside and put and pointe a hair drier at the fuel filter. Within a little while I was able to get the car started again. We also had an '81 Old with the huge 5.x liter diesel engine. Though that car could get an amazing 30 MPG on the highway, getting that pig started in the winter at times would take TWO additional cars in addition to the two batteries it had. The Volvo diesel was much easier to live with.
One problem that we experienced (twice) and that I later found out was not unusual was the oil starvation problems. Our mechanic explained to me that the oil was delivered at one end of the engine and it had to cascade to the other end. This caused some oil starvation during startup. This design worked fine for VW/Audi in the 4 cyl and 5 cyl version of this engine, but with 6 cylinders they realy should have had the oil delivered to the middle. If you drove a lot of short distances you tended to trash the engine around 100,000 miles. If you drove the car all day long, the engine could easily last 500,000 miles. I know there was a guy in Maine who specialized in overhauling these engines and did some minor modifications to help make the engine better. This same diesel expert also pretty much insisted on using Mobile 1 synthetic oil. With the changes he made and the extra protection of synthetic oil most of the early engine deaths could have been prevented. Sadly I found out about this after we wore out the 2nd engine.
The USA never saw the D24TIC, the Intercooled version of the D24. The Intercooler just like with the gasoline Turbo cars that Volvo was then making realy helped up the power output and also dramatically lowered intake temperatures thereby further reducing engine stress and make it a better, longer lasting engine. By the time that engine was ready, GM had done enough damage with their diesel engine to convince most Americans that diesel cars sucked. In case you don't know GM took a Gasoline engine design and "upgraded" the block so that it could be used with Diesel... histroy shows that it was a VERY bad design move. Strangely we actually have very little trouble with our GM diesel engine... it was the transmissions that would be completely trashed after 50 to 60K that had my dad completely steaming mad at GM. When he talked to GM to complain they told us we were getting above average life out of our transmissions. Needless to say that was the last GM they ever owned.
Happy Swedish Motoring,
André
Re: Volvo Disel (andrelam)
unfortunately all cars don't have modern diesels.... almost 80% of the cars sold here are diesel, I can't bare them anymore, before the S60 I had a diesel car, hope it will be the last one!
| Quote, originally posted by andrelam » |
| Most Americans have no clue how quiet, refined and fuel efficient modern diesels are. Happy Swedish Motoring, André |
unfortunately all cars don't have modern diesels.... almost 80% of the cars sold here are diesel, I can't bare them anymore, before the S60 I had a diesel car, hope it will be the last one!
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