Glad I got my 2024 V90CC!

 

Not surprised but I'll miss it.

 

I have a 2018 model and the newer models are a bit nicer, but not worth an upgrade to me. Hopefully a similar EV will be made someday, but Volvo seems to be struggling with the recent launches.

 

How is the latest model better? I have a 2018, too, so will now have to consider getting a 2025 before it goes away.

 

Sad... V60 is nice, but V90 was last real real Volvo wagon for now... just priced a bit too high and a bit too nice. If we still sold XC70s with the exact same body and price they'd outsell V90s still today.

 

Agreed. I love my V60CC but at times I wish it was a little bit larger, like the size of the P3 XC70. The XC70 is/was pretty efficient from interior volume and exterior dimension standpoints.

No need for both the 60 and 90 wagons, it's the SPA V70CC. Price it at $45k for the Core version, $53k for the Plus, and $60k for the Ultra. 190 inches in length, cargo volume of 30 cu ft behind the rear seat and 70 cu ft with the rear seats folded.

Product planner for a day!

 

Rain tested

☔☔

 

The biggest drawback of the XC70 is that it had the turning radius of a school bus.

But I agree ... people still miss them.

 

From Halifax and to halifax
From mostly 82mph
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Will there be a 'next generation' large wagon, or only the V60 after 2025?

 

The next generation wagon-like vehicle will be an EV, generally referred to as the V546.

As for ICE powered wagons it's only the V60 after 2025 and maybe just a few years at that.

 

I suspect that more people would have bought the V90 and V60 Cross Country wagons since 2022 if Volvo had put the Extended-Range PHEV drivetrains in them. The "mild hybrid" drivetrains just aren't worth spending that kind of money on. (I, for one, would buy a Cross Country wagon with the current Volvo PHEV drivetrain today if there was one to buy or order.)

 

I would love the option of a PHEV in the V60CC or V90CC. The market likes the PHEV in the V60 just seeing the increasing sales of the V60 Polestar cars.

 

Not surprising, end of an era for sure. Glad I purchased my ‘25.

 

Our 2017 has the buttons to lower the rear seats just inside the rear hatch. What is different exterior wise? i know the tail lights changed for the 2020 model year.

 

Crazy given Audi has three Avants still
Available (A4/6 AR and RS6), MB E class has an Avant, BMW is bringing the M touring to the states. What is Volvo thinking?

 

Volvo is probably thinking that wagons don't sell all that well (and they don't) so they're good with still offering the V60CC until the V546. I'm still amazed that a little company like Volvo offered two wagons for as long as it did.

When I look at Audi's website I see the A4 and A6 Allroads - makes sense as Audi is a much larger company than Volvo, sells about 2.5x what Volvo does. MBZ offers one wagon, sales volumes are around 3x Volvo's. BMW, also 3x sales volumes compared to Volvo - no wagons in the US currently.

 

I managed 28 in the S80 on a non-stop trip from the western burbs of Cleveland back to the far north side of Chicago. I bet if they’d been able to pair the 8 speed with the 3.0 they’d have managed 30 mpg.

 

I can personally verify that our S60 3.0 can get 33 mpg highway. I averaged 73 mph for 480 miles. I still had 110 miles left of range

 

Keeping our 2019 V90 CC at least through the extended warrantee period...average ca. 8K/yr mileage, scrupulously serviced, just the total package for those of us of the wagon persuasion!

 

Kinda sucks but it was inevitable given the popularity of crossovers. Gonna have to work extra hard to keep my V90 in the best condition. No way will I deal with Audi or Mercedes maintenance even if they're the last of the wagons here in the US.

 

So sad to hear. We will hold onto our 'V90 CC for as long as we can. Its been trouble free for its first 36k miles. I'm a long time VW guy with a couple of Volvos in the garage to keep the VWs company, but it looks like we will be more VW in the future as long as Audi continues to sell the A6 Allroad when we need a replacement for the V90.

 

Wow — if you think the mild hybrid adds weight and decreases handling performance, you have a lot to learn about the PHEV powertrains. I’ve driven the RAV4 hybrid and it’s heavy feeling and ponderous compared to the gas model. And from Car and Driver comparing the CX50 Hybrid with the Toyota system:

Wow — it looks like you misread my message and wrote a long rant that's completely irrelevant.

And from Car and Driver comparing the CX50 Hybrid with the Toyota system:

Yes, also from their review: Combined/City/Highway: 38/39/37 mpg vs. 25/22/29 mpg for the V90 CC mild hybrid. The point was that you don't even get good fuel economy for a car that's worse. Who would want that? Unlike a car with good fuel economy, which people do want. If you want to actually read the reviews and not just selectively quote stuff to argue against something nobody said, Car and Driver measured worse gas mileage in their test of the B6 than in their previous test of the T6 and they measured a 0.5s slower 0-60 time.

Also from the review: "On our 75-mph highway fuel economy test, the hybrid CX-50 returned 34 mpg, a healthy improvement over the Turbo's 28 mpg", which is the opposite of what Car and Driver saw when they tested the hybrid V90 CC vs. the original.

 

Well considering the CX50 hybrid is a full second slower to 60 than the non-hybrid model as cited by the same article, I’m not sure why you’re using that as an example of your point. As for cars people want, you’re probably right. Most people won’t notice the performance penalty of all that weight, but I did instantly after driving the RAV4 Hybrid back to back. So for them, the extra mileage per tank will worth it, and they probably won’t own it long enough to need a battery pack replacement. We’ll figure out what to do with those depleted batteries sooner or later.

 

Don't want to get too involved in the back and forth arguing, but I will say the mild hybrid systems used in the newer B5/B6 cars are not really hybrids at all. It is confusing to consumers and completely mis-labeled/represented of what it is by Volvo. But people read "hybrid" and think that there's a battery actually moving the car when it does not.
The mileage increase barely registers and I could care less about 0-60 times and skid pad numbers, but that's just me.
I do like the start/stop function over the T5/T6 cars, it is barely noticeable now. And like most people here, an actual true hybrid system would be welcomed on the V60/90CC cars, but we won't see that stateside. Hybrids are selling well here in the US as people warm to the idea of battery powered cars.

 

Here is how Edmunds describes a mild hybrid and it pretty much fits what the B5/B6 are:

A mild hybrid or MHEV is a vehicle that uses the same basic tools as other types of hybrids — electric motors and batteries — but they use them to assist the internal combustion engine rather than partially supplant it. Mild hybrid cars cannot power the wheels on their own and they drive much like a traditional gas-powered vehicle.

Maybe the B5/B6 is on the "milder" side of mild, lol.

What's a little laughable to me is that my state (Ohio) still charges more for registration for a mild hybrid like the B5/B6 even though the efficiency/fuel consumption is essentially no different than the ICE motor it replaced, so drivers are still paying the same gas taxes that keep the roads maintained.

 

The real-time benefit of fuel economy of a mild hybrid is about 10-15% if you live in an area with congested city traffic. Nothing on the highway. The mild hybrid is also more refined than the system with full ICE and the start/stop system. It's definitely a net gain but we're careful not to set the expectation of hybrid fuel economy. It's not an FHEV.

 

I have a 2019 V90CC T6 and was hoping to eventually downsize to a smaller wagon. The V60 T8 Polestar engineered is sold in Canada but in such low numbers that it's sold out for 2025 models. I would look at a CPO 2024 V60 T8 but they are few and far between.

If Volvo were to come out with a wagon sized between the V60 and V90 I would definitely be interested - that would be ideal. For now I'm going to hang on to my 2019. The warranty just ran out in August and I chose not to extend it. The car has been completely trouble free - just routine maintenance and some brake work (of course, now I have just jinxed myself). Probably the most trouble free car I've owned. I also enjoy driving it - plus it has features that are not available on the V60 (ventilated massage seats, fold down button in the hatch, non-black interior).

I hope Volvo's not getting out of the wagon business!

 

I have a 2019 V90CC T6 and was hoping to eventually downsize to a smaller wagon. The V60 T8 Polestar engineered is sold in Canada but in such low numbers that it's sold out for 2025 models. I would look at a CPO 2024 V60 T8 but they are few and far between.

If Volvo were to come out with a wagon sized between the V60 and V90 I would definitely be interested - that would be ideal. For now I'm going to hang on to my 2019. The warranty just ran out in August and I chose not to extend it. The car has been completely trouble free - just routine maintenance and some brake work (of course, now I have just jinxed myself). Probably the most trouble free car I've owned. I also enjoy driving it - plus it has features that are not available on the V60 (ventilated massage seats, fold down button in the hatch, non-black interior).

I hope Volvo's not getting out of the wagon business!

The V60 Polestar was designed as a halo vehicle. Canada would get fewer than 50 per year. It is now officially discontinued, if a dealer has one it's the last of the lot. But generally they are presold. The Cross Country versions were always the ones that sold in the most volume (even when it was the V70/XC70 several years back).

Volvo itself has confirmed a wagon variant of the EX60, perhaps it will be released at the same time or a bit after the EX60. The EX60 will most likely end up being a bit bigger than the present XC60 because the other vehicles in the class have grown a bit in their newest generations.

There also will be another model released to be built in South Carolina - full electric, sized between 60 and 90. It is unsure how estate-like it will be.

 

There is a trend in the auto industry, not just with Volvo, but with most manufacturers, where they are losing touch with what consumers want, and are producing vehicles based on what various regulatory agencies want, what software companies are telling them consumers want, and pushing toward a utopian future that is not necessarily economically achievable with today's technology. Look at the prices people are paying on auction websites for low mileage, high end used vehicles that are not electrified, not connected, and have analog instruments, but still offer top notch passenger safety. As new vehicle sales continue to stall, and particularly in the US where there will be no more government support for electrification for the next four years, it will be interesting to see how automakers respond. It appears Akio Toyoda has been right all along!

 

There is a trend in the auto industry, not just with Volvo, but with most manufacturers, where they are losing touch with what consumers want, and are producing vehicles based on what various regulatory agencies want, what software companies are telling them consumers want, and pushing toward a utopian future that is not necessarily economically achievable with today's technology.

Look at Jaguar 😬

 

Oy. I just threw up in my mouth.