Items covered by factory warranty are not detailed for the consumer.

For ballpark estimating and budget purposes, the HVCH is about $1200-1500 USD, plus labor.

ERAD would be a total guess as it could the transmission and/or the motor, plus labor. I personally would budget $4K post-hybrid warranty.

FWIW, I don’t think the ISG has been much of an maintenance issue after MY16. I don’t think I would worry much about that.

The redesigned and later hybrid components seem to be getting better and more reliable. My MY16 seems pretty stable and reliable now but budgeting for an unexpected, non-covered significant expense is just prudent.


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XC90 all the way ... doesn't drive much bigger than the XC60 and the rear seat is a bit bigger, but it's the cargo area where you'll notice the difference the most.

 

Again want to thank everyone for the input. For us we are deciding to go with XC90 over XC60 based on the feedback, especially around safety which is a big factor for us (I guess bigger implies safer all else equal).

Wondering safetywise, are XC90 and XC90 Recharge equivalent?

 

Same car with same features except the Recharge weighs more and has a battery. If you do a lot of trips during the day around town with the kids, it’s nice to be able to not use gas for days. It’s also nice to idle and not have the car spit emissions into the school drop off or pickup lines. You won’t break even for many years on cost but it’s a cool and very fun addition to the car (Recharge). I would recommend it but purely as a discretionary item. If you are environmentally focused over $ focused then it’s a no brainer.

 

This is the backseat of a xc60 with two car seats. There is enough room for them to climb in and out. The far one is bigger and my 4 year old still has room to stretch. drivers seat is back far enough to accommodate my 6’1 185 cm) frame.

 

I feel like I'm in the minority here, but, here's my take. We've got two kids under 4. Our current setup is an xc60 and a Subaru Crosstrek. 1 forward facing car seat and 1 rear facing in both cars. I can count on one hand the number of times I wished I had a bigger car in the last 3-4 years.

I don't think there is any more "legroom" in the 2nd row of the xc90 vs 60, could be wrong there though. You're really gaining the cargo space, which we offset with a rooftop carrier and hitch carrier to manage the bulky stuff. Living in a city, the xc90 both wouldn't fit in our garage, nor be practical driving and parking in the city, hence we went with the xc60 and I'm happy we did.

Definitely a different opinion from the other folks' messages I've read through here, but figured I'd share a differing viewpoint. 🤷‍♂️

 

I feel like I'm in the minority here, but, here's my take. We've got two kids under 4. Our current setup is an xc60 and a Subaru Crosstrek. 1 forward facing car seat and 1 rear facing in both cars. I can count on one hand the number of times I wished I had a bigger car in the last 3-4 years.

I don't think there is any more "legroom" in the 2nd row of the xc90 vs 60, could be wrong there though. You're really gaining the cargo space, which we offset with a rooftop carrier and hitch carrier to manage the bulky stuff. Living in a city, the xc90 both wouldn't fit in our garage, nor be practical driving and parking in the city, hence we went with the xc60 and I'm happy we did.

Definitely a different opinion from the other folks' messages I've read through here, but figured I'd share a differing viewpoint. [emoji2369]

This is useful to see!

For a lot of people who can afford an XC90, the extra space isn’t really a concern, but it certainly isn’t just no big deal for everyone! Obviously plenty of Europeans, for one thing, would not casually upgrade to an XC90 and would find the space problematic.

 

I will go with the XC90 for 3 reasons.

(1) 3 rows (and bigger storage)
(2) The price difference is negligible between the B5 and T5
(3) Faster depreciation on the XC60

Granted. Most enthusiasts won't pick the T5.

 

Context: Family of 3 (now in a center integrated booster), three cars in the household (21 XC90 and 19 XC40 are our primary drivers).

This is personal and relative to not only your other vehicles (if any) and how you intend to use them. In theory, the XC40 would WORK if we needed it to make due, but makes things like a Costco run with a baby stroller nearly impossible.

Babies don't take up much space, but their carseats and necessary baby STUFF takes up more room than a not-yet-parent can imagine.

When we had our daughter our "big" car was a loaded out Outback, with my garage queen 340i relegated to "as needed" dad-mobile. That setup lasted about 35 days. One trip to visit family for the holidays at day 29 sealed the fate of the BMW; it was traded within a week of returning from that trip and ended up in acquiring our first XC90. I did a 24 month lease because I had faith I could swap for maybe a V60 Polestar after proving to my wife that the XC90 was too big for our needs.....I ate my words and pulled through the lease early and upgraded to another XC90 (loaded this time) that will likely be in the stable for years now.

IMO the 7 passenger option is more suited for small children in carseats (rear facing, front facing, and booster varieties). Not only does it give you the flexibility of the integrated booster in a few years, but its just better suited for when kids inevitably drop things (pacifier, snuggle, snacks, water bottle, etc.). As a family of 3, we run the XC90 in 2 row mode with cargo cover over the third row and cargo area 99% of the time; it's nice to know the third row is there but not our focus. With the cargo cover and 7 seat setup nobody is wiser that the third row exists and I'd like to think it takes us out of the "you have the big car" obligation to drive a group at least a couple of times.

It's a solid parent-mobile, hands down.

We swapped the Outback for the XC40 because it wasn't big enough to be effective as a "big car" with kid gear, but wasn't really efficient or small enough to be an effective "city car" for commuting sans-child.

Best of luck, but honestly, I'd head straight to the XC90 again in a heartbeat (I did).

 

We have a 2020 XC60 with two older kids. It just a little too small for us. I often find myself wishing I had gone for the XC90 on trips. With three kids I would go with the 90.

 

Do you need the space all the time? My guess is no, go as small as you think you can and get a cartop cargo carrier tto haul extraneous stuff when needed.

 

One thing to consider with a 6 seat configuration is that if you have 3rd row down, any unsecured item in the trunk becomes a projectile in crash or during hard breaking. OTOH, you can access the third row with car seats on both 2nd row seats if you can squeeze between them and a front seat.

Also, the center seat has an integrated booster - my 5yo absolutely loved it when I test drove the car! It’s an option, but I haven’t seen any XC90 without it in the dealership listings.

 

One thing to consider with a 6 seat configuration is that if you have 3rd row down, any unsecured item in the trunk becomes a projectile in crash or during hard breaking. OTOH, you can access the third row with car seats on both 2nd row seats if you can squeeze between them and a front seat.

Also, the center seat has an integrated booster - my 5yo absolutely loved it when I test drove the car! It’s an option, but I haven’t seen any XC90 without it in the dealership listings.

This is my conflict. Potential safety issue with 6 seater but on the flip side to use the center seat requires using the belt which can be a PITA on the Nuna base

 

I didn't read through the entire thread but overall the base XC90 is the much better car if it would have had the updated Vovlo platform with mild hybrid engine. Right now the XC60 has the advantage to have the updated platform which helps significantly with fuel economy but more importantly with the known Volvo brake issues. I will wait for the 2023 and go for the XC90. I think with the new platform, they will have eleminated most of the known issues of this SUV and we will have a much better ownership experience.

 

In a similar situation, what about 6 vs. 7 seats on the XC90? Worried that putting that car seat in the center of a 7 seat XC90 will effectively make the back useless for seating as long as the car seat is there -- but that's the safest place to put the car seat in a 7 seater so a bit of a catch-22

 

i dont find it inconvenient. i normally dont use the 3rd row that much, but when i do, i just loosen the seat belt anchor and fold the side seat down, then just buckle it back up. passengers in the 2nd row will have the same amount of room no matter where you place car seat.

 

I do think it's important to keep in mind that it's entirely possible to have a couple of kids and an XC60. Or a Toyota Camry for that matter. It's easier with an XC90, sure. But it costs more money. It's larger if you live in an urban environment. In a vacuum, of course the XC90 is great and take all the space you can. But when considering cost...well it's not necessarily worth it depending on exactly how much money you have and want to spend. For many people, obviously, an XC90 isn't worth it. They'll just get a used minivan or something if they need the space but can't afford an XC90.

 

Congrats on the new kid! Note - that's what really changes your life. Not marriage, not dating, not going to college. Not moving to another area. It's having your first kid.

I can only tell you my anecdote. People here are 100% correct that you will fill the space that you have. Until last year, I had a Subaru WRX wagon which is not a big car. We have 1 child. We used that car to drive to the beach at least once a year, staying for 1+weeks since the child was 1. The kid is now 10. It was fine. With less space, you learn to prioritize what you need vs. what you think you need. Hint: It's a LOT less than you think. One of the positives that I found was that the kid focused less on "his stuff that we brought" and more on "where we were, and what we were doing". You'll quickly figure out what you actually need and what you don't. Or if you get the larger car, you won't figure that out

People that say that you need to get the larger car are not correct. You don't need that, unless your child is a special needs child, or you have specific use cases that require the larger car (towing heavier loads like a boat, assuming the XC60 has smaller towing limits).

What I can say, though, is that time I rented a minivan for the 3 of us to drive down to a beach in North Carolina, it was awesome to not even have to care what we threw in the back of that. All of the Thomas engines and seemingly miles of track? Sure! It fits easily, why not? It was helpful that we were meeting 3 other families and were the only ones driving (they'd fly from home to some airport then rented comically large SUV's for their families of 4-5 because they "needed the room"), so we did bring substantially more "stuff" (we brought all of the toys and entertainment for the rest of the 3 families) than they did, but they had to fly in.

I can recall in my youth visiting family in other countries, where a VW Golf was considered a borderline large family car. It's all just perspective. You'll be fine with an XC60. You'll be fine with a V60. Heck, you'll also be fine with an XC40 if you choose that. Just keep in mind that the smaller the car, the more planning you will have to do.

In fact, if you're worried about space, honestly a Minivan is a vastly more practical car than any SUV. Just sayin'.

Now, cut out buying these giant SUV's that are clogging up the road! <shakes fist at clouds>

 

Owner of a 2 year old and an XC60.

In our case, we had bought the car a couple of years before we had our son and we didn't buy it with a child in mind. The one car we replaced was my old S40 with a large Cadillac, but I figured the XC60 would be fine.

And it has been fine. But if I had the choice, I would have bought the XC90. You can make due easily, but it's just more comfortable/convenient to have more room. We went on our first vacation last summer after the vaccines and it required a 5-6 hr drive. Little kids require a TON of crap to go anywhere--from clothes to diapers to dishes to toys to strollers--all of these things need to go with you. And then there is you and your spouse's luggage. When we piled it all up we realized we couldn't fit in the XC60--I had big car envy, but instead I bought a Thule Cago Box which cost $1K with all the racks etc vs $50-60K for a new car.

It worked like a dream and my spouse, our kid, and my parents we all able to comfortbaly travel in the XC60 to and from vacation activities while at our destination.

But when it comes time to replacing the XC60, I will be looking at a 3 row SUV. You need more cargo room, even if you have ONE kid they have lots of friends who will come along from time to time. And grandparents, relatives, and the dog, etc. Right now, I'm liking the Infinti QX60/Nissan Pathfinder and the Cadillac XT6.

Sadly, after 3 Volvos (2 great ones), we are not considering the XC90--this XC60 has been a piece of junk with very poor reliability. Not taking that risk again.

 

Depends on how much you plan to travel with said child and what you have at your disposal where you are traveling to.

When my son, now 4, was younger and we had to travel somewhere we usually wound up staying in a hotel. We had a portable crib along with all his stuff, which was 3-4 bags of stuff for him (clothes, diapers, baby monitor, stuffed animals, books, extra of everything, etc) and our 1 or 2 bags for our stuff.

If all the above sounds like something you will be doing, go with the XC90. It was just big enough for a portable crib to fit in the back along with all the stuff that goes along with having a young child. They have more stuff than you will think.

 

Definitely go for the XC90. I have a 13 and 15 year old, and purchased a 2020 XC90 after putting 280,000 miles on a 2007 Nissan Pathfinder. I actually find the XC90 smaller than the old body Pathfinder. Ha!
Thee 3rd row is essential for carpools as your kiddo gets older and into sports. But babies require just as much equipment!
My advice? Take the carseat, stroller, the pack & play, and a couple suitcases and a cooler to the dealership. Check out the cargo space. You'll soon find out you need the XC90! 😉

 

You'll be surprised on how much baby gear you do carry/can carry. Stroller, traveling play pen, bags of clothes and diapers, food, your gear, etc.

 

Either will do, but how big of a car do you want to drive and own? I'd rather have an higher option XC60 vs. a lesser XC90. Same with more options and T5 vs. less options and T6.

 

For me 3 row SUV isn't a want but a need. XC90 for my blended family. My wife and I. Her 15 year old son. My 12 year old boy/10 year old boy girl twins (first marriage). 7 months old new baby boy in car seat. We all fit fine. What helps is that I have 3 kids every other weekend.

 

Summarizing some previous replies, from my perspective as a father of twins (born 30+ years ago), and now with one having a 2 and a 4 year old, the other a 3 year old. Before there was such a thing as an SUV, we ran with 3 different Chevrolet Astro Vans over their first 18 years - great space, captains chairs in the middle (more on that), space behind the third row (which was a full 3 person wide, and removable), and important as a winter driving and boat towing family, all-wheel drive (after the first 1985 model). We are now on our third XC90, all purchased OSD and all three still going strong, two with us and the "middle one", a 2012, now with the 2 & 4 year old family.

Current situation:
2 & 4 year olds are one front facing, one rear facing child seats. Yes, could be a tight fit for front seat passenger in front of a rear-facing child seat - you'll want to investigate that on either choice of a 90 or a 60. It is an issue.

For XC90 7 passenger, two major things to consider re: child seats:
1) Rear facing seats take up quite a bit of room width wise as well. Only way we could fit three child seats in the middle row was with the Diono car seat, which is quite a nice seat that is narrower than most, primarily due to no cup holders.

2) If you have two (or three) child seats in the middle row, you won't have access to the rear row unless you unbuckle - and possibly remove - one of the car seats to allow you to tip the Volvo seat back to let someone crawl into the third row seats. This issue is often overlooked, and pretty much makes the third row seats unusable unless you have no cargo and can crawl in/over to the third row from the cargo area. On our 2022, we went with the 6 passenger seating arrangement, so can have two car seats in place, and have room to curl in around the forward facing one and then "up the middle" and back into the third row seats.

That is a major advantage of the minivans too, where you can get the kids into the van, along with yourself, and then help them get into their seats and buckled up from "in front" of the seat, as opposed to the XC/SUV method that requires "folding them into a seating position, and them inserting them into their seat from the side/outside of the car. Not great for your back?Along with more cargo space, a minivan is tough to beat for that reason.


I will always go with the safest and strongest vehicle, so Volvo has carried the day for our family of drivers. But with advances in auto safety systems and crash testing to confirm, I think some of the recent minivans are right up at the top with safety ratings and crash worthiness.

So if I had to do it all again (and sort of am, as a grandparent now), here would be my considerations:

1) If likely to be more than a single child family, consider a minivan, at least until out of car seats/booster seats/strollers (so age 7 or 8 or?). If you need all wheel drive, Pacifica and Toyota options seem to get high marks. If front wheel drive adequate, tough to beat the Honda Odyssey (daughter #2 loves theirs). Since we now have one minivan in the family, we're good on that for the moving around of three little ones with 2 or 4 parents. If all 6 adults are going someplace with the kids, it's a two-car journey anyway.

2) re: which Volvo, I'd take the XC90 over the XC60 to be sure- the extra cargo room WILL be utilized, especially when your little one(s) start soccer, hockey, horseback riding, etc. and you have gear that seems to want to just live in the car. And still think I'd seriously consider the 6 passenger option - much easier for kids or adults to get into the available third row seats if you are using that more than just occasionally.

 

1) Rear facing seats take up quite a bit of room width wise as well. Only way we could fit three child seats in the middle row was with the Diono car seat, which is quite a nice seat that is narrower than most, primarily due to no cup holders.

2) If you have two (or three) child seats in the middle row, you won't have access to the rear row unless you unbuckle - and possibly remove - one of the car seats to allow you to tip the Volvo seat back to let someone crawl into the third row seats. This issue is often overlooked, and pretty much makes the third row seats unusable unless you have no cargo and can crawl in/over to the third row from the cargo area. On our 2022, we went with the 6 passenger seating arrangement, so can have two car seats in place, and have room to curl in around the forward facing one and then "up the middle" and back into the third row seats.

Two important points.
Another good seat choice that is slimmer than most is the Clek. With our 2 kids - 3yo, 1yo - both rear facing, we've got one Clek Fllo and one Nuna Rava. The Clek is longer so it goes behind the passenger seat cause my wife is shorter than i am, but its definitely the slimmer of the two. The Nuna is wider but not as long so I get a little bit more room. At 6'1", its reasonable for me in the driver's seat, but ill enjoy the extra room once we can switch the older one to front facing and swap sides - if the little dictators allow that.

For us, we basically assumed that the rear row is going to stay folded flat for 99% of the time - its just a bigger trunk. The 3rd row might become more useful when we're transporting kids and kids friends for sure, but with car seats for the next while, i dont think we'll see that much of it.

 

Thanks everyone so much for all the insights, not having had a child before it's tough for me to know how much space we'd need, so has been very helpful hearing from ya'll that we should go bigger. We'll go with the 90 and pull the trigger soon.

Not sure if it's kosher to discuss price here, but given the current market are there typically discounts to MSRP?

 

Not sure if it's kosher to discuss price here, but given the current market are there typically discounts to MSRP?

It's absolutely allowed - there's even a thread somewhere here where people rattle off numbers!

OSD is probably your only consistent price below MSRP.

Congrats & good luck!

 

Just had our first in mid March and bought the XC60 that week as well. Rear facing seats are tough but it works behind the drivers seat the best for us with room to still enjoy driving and even more so when just the base is in place. I can see there might be issues with cargo space in time but for now we are good with stroller, 2 overnight bags, diaper bag and room for a pack n play. If we have another (kid), I can see moving up to the XC90 and I'm already excited to get out of the rear-facing stage.

 

Thanks for the insight and congrats on being a new parent as well!

 

Congrats. We have a 4.5 yr old and a 6 month old with an XC90 and it can get small at times.

Car seats leave not much room for anything else in the second row. Being 6’4,and a car seat behindthe drivers seat leaves just enough room to be able and enjoy the car.You can’t go wrong with the XC90, more space will be an advantage.

 

Husband, 2 y.o and 4 y.o. with a small dog here.

Car seats are the bane of my existence. Also, it’s easy to fit 1 or 2 kids into the midsize, or even wagon - but then they have friends, go to school and all that leaves you wishing for the 3rd row.

if you’re already leaning xc90 just do it.