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There isn't a fuel filter in my car

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#1 ·
I have read every post regarding fuel filter locations and have even called IPD. Everyone says it is located in front of the rear passenger side tire. I can not find it. I have a 2004 S60 2.5T. If anyone can help or send a pic I would be deeply grateful.

~Ready to cry in Ohio
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Re: There isn't a fuel filter in my car (Miller62406)

Here you go buddy.
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#3 ·
Wow. If I didn't know where my fuel filter was, that diagram would have been of absolutely no help to me...
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It is located just in front of the rear passenger tire. It's on the bottom of the car. (You are looking under your car, right?) I'll take a picture of mine tomorrow for ya.
 
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Re: (StarmanDXE)

Quote, originally posted by StarmanDXE »
Wow. If I didn't know where my fuel filter was, that diagram would have been of absolutely no help to me...
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It is located just in front of the rear passenger tire. It's on the bottom of the car. (You are looking under your car, right?) I'll take a picture of mine tomorrow for ya.

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Well since the diagram is more than apparently a diagram of a fuel tank with components and you can easily identify the fuel filler neck... You know the place where you put gas in your car, (back by the right rear passenger tire) then it would give him a better place to look, based on the diagram than where he was looking before. It's too bad not all of us can be ultra intelligent college students.
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Re: (kmg_S60R)

Quote, originally posted by kmg_S60R »
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Well since the diagram is more than apparently a diagram of a fuel tank with components and you can easily identify the fuel filler neck... You know the place where you put gas in your car, (back by the right rear passenger tire) then it would give him a better place to look, based on the diagram than where he was looking before.
Yeah, I suppose you're right. I guess I'd just need someone to give me that starting block and I'd be able to find it with that diagram. Or maybe I'll just blame it on the fact that it was late. (And I was tired
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Quote, originally posted by kmg_S60R »
It's too bad not all of us can be ultra intelligent college students.
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Ouch. Everyone always with the personal insults! (Well, as much as can be gleamed from the site...)
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(You know, I really wasn't necessarily saying anything bad about you or your diagram. What I said could be interpreted as more of a slight to me...
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Re: (StarmanDXE)

LOL... No hard feelings... I was just being a bugger cause I thought I was being helpful.
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Re: (chinaonnitrous1)

Does under your car look more like these?

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If so, than you are the lucky owner of a s60 with a steel gas tank. In my time, and the hundreds of s60s ive worked on, you would only be the third that ive personally seen. One that hit a tire re-tread on the highway and split their tank open end to end (fun). Mine (my personal S60) being the second.

If im not mistaken, the filter is either integrated into the gas tank itself, or into the fuel pump. Either way, ive never replaced the fuel filter on a steel tank car, and cant say that ive ever seen one either. Ill see if i can look it up on VIDA tomorrow.
 
#14 ·
Re: (Turb04S60)

I own another 2004 2.5T without an external fuel filter. I have the VADIS and it didn't show anything about not having an external filter. I traced the fuel lines and couldn't find it. The independent shop I use couldn't find it. So I finally went to the dealer and they said it didn't have an external filter. They did say something about the tank was different, may have been steel instead of plastic. The car hasn't been wrecked and there's no sign of any damage so it looks factory to me. The dealer also said there's a sock type filter on the pump which is pretty common on other cars even when there's an external filter. So I didn't worry about it and haven't added an external filter. Maybe there are particular build dates that were done this way. If interested we could compare build dates.
 
#16 ·
Well, I get an "F" for the day!

I thought I had released the pressure in the fuel system (by twisting that little knob on the line which feeds the filter) and pulled the line off the outlet of the filter. Turns out I hadn't gotten the pressure out as it blew gasoline all over the ground... (I didn't do any pressure bleeding on my 850 and it didn't spray any fuel or anything. Some trickled, but not spray...) Luckily, I didn't get any in my eyes (as I failed to put on the glasses which I keep in the spare tire well) and I also didn't think to use any gloves (which I also keep in the spare tire well...) Good thing I don't work on my car very often...
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Re: (StarmanDXE)

Quote, originally posted by StarmanDXE »
Well, I get an "F" for the day!

I thought I had released the pressure in the fuel system (by twisting that little knob on the line which feeds the filter) and pulled the line off the outlet of the filter. Turns out I hadn't gotten the pressure out as it blew gasoline all over the ground... (I didn't do any pressure bleeding on my 850 and it didn't spray any fuel or anything. Some trickled, but not spray...) Luckily, I didn't get any in my eyes (as I failed to put on the glasses which I keep in the spare tire well) and I also didn't think to use any gloves (which I also keep in the spare tire well...) Good thing I don't work on my car very often...
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To release the pressure just use a flat screwdriver and open the schrader valve on the fuel rail.
 
#18 ·
Re: (Turbos60)

Quote, originally posted by Turbos60 »
To release the pressure just use a flat screwdriver and open the schrader valve on the fuel rail.
Hopefully someone else will get that message... (And now I know for ~30k miles from now when I replace the filter again...)

Thanks.
 
#21 ·
Holy 7 year thread revival, Batman!

For anyone that searches this from here on out, it seems as though vehicles that are CARB (California) certified, have a metal tank and no external fuel filter.
 
#24 ·
Our '04 V70 2.5T (in TN) also has the metal tank and integrated fuel filter. At 167K miles, I'm interested in changing the fuel filter at some point. A write up with pictures would sure be helpful!!
 
#25 ·
S60 Metal Gas Tank Fuel Pump change procedure



As noted previously, if you have a metal tank, at least on the S60, the fuel filter is part of the fuel pump assembly and cannot be changed without swapping out the entire unit. I can't say whether this is true for other models with metal tanks...but it's likely. If you can't find a fuel filter anywhere under the car by the rear wheels then you probably should follow the following procedure. FCP shows the same fuel pump I installed for your car, so this procedure applies to you.

This procedure applies to a 2005 S60. If you research fuel pumps at FCP, IPD, etc. and find yours is identical to the one on my car, chances are you've got a metal tank and should follow this process rather than the one for plastic gas tanks. Originally posted on the Brickboard. No pictures, sorry, but if you get stuck or have questions send me a PM.
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Given the lack of information on the web about this I thought I would post my experience changing the fuel pump in my new to me 2005 S60 (169k). This car was made in Belgium and apparently was one of the few manufacturing facilities to still make steel tanks for these cars. My fuel pump was whining when I bought the car (negotiated the cost off the asking price) and I'm pretty sure the sending unit was bad as well since I went from a half to a quarter tank after the swap. Metal tank cars do not have an external fuel filter, everything - fuel pump, filter, sending unit - is in one integrated assembly.

0. The tank should be at a half or below, the less gas the better.
1. Don't buy the ring tool everyone sells for the plastic tank, the one with all the notches in it for the plastic ring, it won't work for the steel ring. Buy a good brass punch, about $13 on Amazon. I looked everywhere for a tool but never found one. Don't go cheap and use a cold chisel since steel on steel tends to create sparks and gas tanks tend to catch fire or explode in the presence of an ignition source.
2. Remove the rear bench seat by pulling up with both hands and strong but steady force on one side, no jerky motions, until it pops loose then work the other side free. Store it someplace clean in the garage.
3. Remove the passenger side rear bolster by pressing in on the plastic clip from the trunk until it comes loose. Gently wiggle the bolster until it comes free and lift straight up.
4. Undo the now exposed 14 or 15mm bolt and disconnect the rear headrest connector.
5. Undo the bolt and nut on the black steel bar which was underneath the bench seat. Remove bar and set aside.
6. After pulling release lever in the trunk, gently wiggle the rear passenger back rest towards the side of the car until the large pin on the driver's side comes loose. Store the back rest in the trunk.
7. Peel forward the insulation gently working it around the seat belt receivers.
8. Remove the steel cap and the four nuts that hold it in place after marking it with an arrow towards the front of the car. Disconnect the black connector in the middle of the steel ring, then mark the location of one of the two UUs so you know how far to drive it home. The black connector has two "tabs" that fit in the white plastic cap which you can remove it from to give you more room. On reassembly make sure the connector clicks home. Make a mark on the plastic cap and the surrounding tank so you're sure you have it in the same position on reassembly. Using a shop vac or your home vac, thoroughly vacuum the area around and on top of the plastic cap so no debris gets into the tank.
9. Using the brass punch tap the ring around. No reason to beat on it, just work back and forth between the top and bottom indentations in the ring, which look like two side by side UUs. I opted not to strike the center of the UUs for fear of breaking the tab but rather struck at the outside edge, works just as well.
10. Remove the ring, then the plastic cap.
11. Remove the bolt holding the ground line. Remove bolt and supporting plastic tower that holds fuel pump in place and place in catch basin.
12. Disconnect float sending unit connection to give you more room, move fuel pump towards back of the car so you can reach the single fuel line, remove by pressing clip down with the point of your thumb while holding bottom of the fuel line with your fingers. Remove power connector.
13. Have a catch basin ready. I used the deep pan I use for oil changes after wiping it out. Work the fuel pump out of the hole, black float last to come out and, holding upright, place the fuel pump in the catch basin. Remove from car, set on the floor outside the car or on your workbench.
14. Installation is the reverse of the above steps.

Things to watch for:

Make sure the metal depression where the new rubber ring you bought...you did buy one when you bought the fuel pump, right?...is nice and clean before putting the new rubber ring in. I used carb cleaner on a rag to wipe the depression out thoroughly as well as the ring and the outside bottom edge of the plastic cap, otherwise it will snake around on you while driving the steel ring around. You want to buy the rubber ring with the depression in it, not the round one. Make sure the lines you drew on the white plastic cap and tank line up, otherwise you won't be able to seat the tabs on the connector. Don't forget to drive the steel ring around to the mark you made on the tank or at least pretty close. Don't be alarmed by the gurgling sounds the fuel pump makes when you first start the car, that should stop in 15 or 20 minutes and you'll once again experience blessed silence from the fuel pump and the satisfaction of having a new fuel pump.

Have fun.
 
#26 ·
Thank you for the great write-up. I'm curious if you found a lot of debris or clogging in the fuel filter (in your pump) at the time you changed it at 169K miles? This will give me an idea of this is good preventative maintenance or if I should just wait things out. Currently I'm having no pump or lack of performance issues.
 
#27 ·
I've had the pump sitting on my workbench for a month so all gasoline should have evaporated by now. Don't know if there's an integrated check valve in the unit, but I can't blow or suck air through, so the fuel filter is "probably" clogged. No way to tell as it's a sealed system, probably epoxied, and I'd rather not destroy it to find out. Old habit of mine, to keep working but impaired parts around should I need to buy another and it might take a week to get to me, so I have a working unit to keep the car going until a known good one arrives.

I've heard of people going for 250k+ on the original pump, so yours is probably fine for the time being. Easy but not definitive test is to put your ear by the open gas filler neck or stick a piece of 1/2" tubing in there and the other by your ear, like a stethoscope. If you don't hear squealing but only a faint hum, then your pump should be good. Your call to replace it as part of your preventive maintenance schedule for peace of mind, but at almost $400 at FCP, I guess it's a question of how fat your wallet is.
 
#29 ·
It's an integrated unit. No way that I can see, nor find on the web, a way to just swap out the fuel pump or filter independently. You might be able to just find the sending unit, I have seen those around. The plastic gas tank fuel pumps are different, you can swap out just the fuel pump and sending unit, but then it has the external filter.

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#31 ·
Thanks for your wisdom!
 
#33 ·
The odds of either one clogging are the same...depends on the quality of gas you get, how soon after the tanker filled the underground tank and stirred up the sludge at the bottom before you filled up, how good the filler hose filter at the gas pump is, etc.

As far as Shaun's comment goes, I think he's referring to the old in tank pump with a sock on the intake I had on my 740, with the main pump on the outside of the car under the driver's seat. Only had to change the in tank pump once in 500k, the external pump a couple of times. This isn't the same type of system, at all.

I agree, though, not having a filter that can be changed but having to swap the fuel pump as well isn't in the best interests of the consumer. Having said that, though, the cost of the pump at FCP for the S60 was $270. The cost of the main pump, filter, in tank pump and sock for the 740 was $220+$108+$16=$344. The only way to know which way is better is to see how long the S60 integrated unit lasts compared to the 740's.