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TF80SC Valve body repair (With pictures).

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I'll give out the cliff notes first, then go into detail about the how and why.

2006 VR with the TF80SC, from the serial number (or VIN #) on the trans this unit should have had the original "defective" VB in it. 116,000 miles on the car currently. Been having the common shift problems, changed fluid, seemed to make a change for the past two years, driving home from Christmas the torque converter started to slip badly.

I have a full M66 swap for the car, but I don't have time to do the swap till the summer so I'm doing a "field repair" on the cheap for the short term.

I'm using the Transgo shift kit off ebay along with new gaskets from Cobra Transmission.

Skip to pictures to avoid the long story.

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I picked this VR up summer of 2017 with 112,000 miles on it. Drove well but the trans started acting up semi frequently (the common hard downshifts, 2 -3 flair, N condition on hard right turns) so I decided to do a drain and refill on the trans oil. The oil looked like it had never been changed (Dunkin Donuts regular coffee brown) and it was maybe 1/2 a quart low. I used the genuine Volvo oil this time around.

The drain and flush helped a great deal but it still was not perfect, especially when it was over 75c after sitting in the hot summer traffic for a while. It would have the odd 2 -1 hard shift, very light flair and mostly when taking a hard right and going from 2 -3.

Fast forward about a 14 months and on a whim I decided to use Seafoam's trans cleaner/oil treatment. Basically drain out a qt of trans oil and put in a qt of the Seafoam, drive it 3,000 miles and do a drain and fill to flush the stuff out. This REALLY helped, the only thing that kept being an issue was a clunky 2 -1 downshift after being in 30+ min of summer traffic.

Then this past Christmas (roughly 7 months since the Seafoam) something odd happens. My parents live 60miles from me, I'd say 90% highway. On the way home, about 30miles into my journey humming down the highway at a good clip, it felt like there was a single misfire. As if the front wheels hit an expansion joint but the rears didn't. It was subtle enough where I just thought nothing of it, until the same thing happened a few minutes later. So at this point I think I have a misfire, bad coil or some such. Then going up a hill I notice that I'm slowing down, the RPM's are staying the same but I'm decelerating. Give it more throttle and I get more RPM's but still decelerating, shift into 5th still decelerating, shift into 4 still decelerating. Take my foot off the accelerator, put the trans back from 4th into D, now I can accelerate.

Go another 2 miles and again, it feels like the torque converter is just unlocking and slipping. 6th, 5th and 4th all act as if the TQ is slipping. Only when I take my foot off the accelerator and let it coast for a bit will I regain drive for a few miles.

I went 30miles essentially hyper milling home. Tho the last few miles of surface streets it was fine.

Drove it a week later (I left it in the driveway like a scolded child) to test it out and it was fine. I drove it about 30miles and it acted completely normally. The only codes in VIDA were some low tier yellow ones like a drivers seat memory switch not reading, cargo light not reading. And those codes were posted immediately upon plugging in VIDA, so maybe a voltage drop as it was 20* all week.

Three days pass and I drive it down to my shop to work on it, this is another 30 miles and I had VIDA giving me live data the whole drive down. Not a peep, everything was functioning normally, no codes of any sort.

So the plan is to do a quick repair on the VB so I can have the wagon back for a few months before I manual swap it. This is my first time working on an auto, but I've got years working on cars so I'm not going in with confidence.

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Honestly, getting the VB out was harder than tearing the VB apart on the bench. Your supposed to drop the sub frame to gain access, but I did it the dumb way. I unbolted all of the engine mounts and jacked the trans side of the whole unit up to gain access. Don't do this, you get a hair more room than enough and you can't see **** and end up struggling to get it out. Just drop the sub frame. The VB pan is held in with a bunch of T27 (don't quote me on that) tq screws and some gasket goo.

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With the pan removed you have to disconnect the clips to all the solenoids before removing the seven 8mm bolts (around the periphery of the VB) that hold the thing in. These clips suck. I ended up using a small jewelers screwdriver and bending the tip about 10* so I could insert it into the connection and have it disengage the clip at the same time.
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Ok, now its on the bench. Behold the front side.

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Back side.

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And top. It looks like this has been replaced due to the "07" marking, but that's just a guess.

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Take the two small plates off the top side, this will reveal the small pins holding in the solenoids. Use a magnet to get the pins out.

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Fluid is pretty clean.

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You can see the pins and small plates.

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Now with a magnet remove the solenoids valves still located in the bores. Keep track of where they go.

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Then remove these 8mm bolts on the front side.

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There are three 8mm on the back side that also need to be removed, but I did not take a photo of that for some reason.

At this point be very careful, there is a lot of very small valves that are all spring loaded and have a tendency to spring out and across the room and YOU WILL spend 30mins with a magnet trying to find them.

This is the back side of the top cover. When you remove it make sure to keep the metal plate on the other larger part of the VB as there are 8 small valves below it and you want to keep them in place. Keep in mind that the top half you are removing also has one small valve that will fall out or stick to the metal plate, its the one hole on the top right that has a metal plunger in it.

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Here is the other half of the VB with the metal plate still in place. The black material on this plate are bonded gaskets that need to be replaced.

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And with the plate removed you can see the eight little valves on the other half of the VB. Take these out with a magnet and keep them in order, the small white ones are all the same but the others are different and have separate springs behind them.

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Cool, now take these two 8mm bolts out.

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And these four 8mm bolts. Keep in mind,there are four or five different lengths of these bolts threw out the VB, so keep track of them as they are all mixed around.

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Remove the back cover. Keep in note more of those small valves still in the back cover.

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At this point were about wrist deep, but were going full elbow deep now.

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On that back cover you just removed, this is were the first replacement valve goes from the Transgo kit. The two shinny parts (top right) are from the Transgo kit, the others (top left) are OE. You just push in on the valve from the side and with a magnet remove a square pin from the top (this is all in the instructions, easy to follow I might add), this lets the valve come out of the bore.

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Now back on to the main part of the VB. Remove these three 8mm bolts.

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Now, keep the whole unit together with you hands and flip it over so that the front side of the VB is facing you. While keeping the metal gasket plate down on the lower half of the vb, slowly lift off the front side.

The front cover and plate is on the far left. In the middle is the center of the VB (your seeing the back of it), and on the far right is the back side of the VB. The gasket plate standing up goes between the middle and back halves of the VB.

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Never mind the bolts, I just threw them in to keep track of their placement. Not the little valves tho, they can stay in.

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Now remove the metal plate you saw on the bottom side in the last photo. And you get this mess.

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The two brownish piston looking fellows with springs is what the kit replaces. The kit's units have a sleeve with a smaller piston that goes inside, the kits springs are also softer than the OE. Note the plate you removed also has a gasket on it (left hand side).

Great, now reassemble.

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At this point I still need to take it apart to put in the new gaskets. I also need to cut open the solenoids to clean them out. The kit comes with a drill bit to remove any buildup on the solenoid's interior and a new cap to replace the one you cut off.

I'm skeptical that this kit will really do anything, but who knows and I figured for the $120 invested (minus fluid as I got a free 12 quarts of 3309 from a friend) it would be neat to see the inside of this VB and good for the community as I haven't found a single post with pictures this in depth.

I'll update this with more photos when I work on the wagon again this weekend.

Should be a good old time.
 
#2 ·
What's your trans serial number? The imprinted serial numbers on the top of the VB look similar to the format of the trans serial number (05Y...). That may be entirely coincidental. Just curious.
 
#3 ·
I'll have to get it next time I'm at the shop, probably in a day or two.

But I know the serial number on the trans itself is before the theorized serial number where the updated VB would be installed.

So in theory this VB should be original as Volvo does not have any record of this VB being replaced on this car in their system. But the VB could have been changed out by one of the PO's at an indie. The pan was sealed with a neon orange silicone type sealant, didn't look factory.
 
#5 ·
Hey alright! Keep up the good work. I'll be watching this thread intently since I will eventually be doing something similar. All good on my '06 minus that pesky intermittent 1st-2nd downshift clunk! Blah!
 
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Welp, I gave the Vb a full service and reinstalled it back into the car. But I mad an OPPSIE so I have to take it back out again. I also discovered how these things fail, and it is an internal fault of the actual casting.

So, lets go chronologically.

Here are those bolts from the back of the Vb that hold on the front most cover:
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I ended up taking out every valve and accumulator in the Vb to inspect and clean them out. So this is the middle section of the Vb where most of the accumulators are found.

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and the other side.

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And it seem the bores of the accumulators are really worn. One actually has a sharp lip that you can feel quite prominently.

So here all the valves and accumulators are removed and place in order of how they go back in.

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One of the accumulators, you can see its a bit dirty and has some ware on the bottom sealing surface.

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And here are the bores of the accumulators, notice the shiny parts of the bore. That's a decent amount of ware. I did not see any other ware thought the Vb on any other moving part, but ALL of the accumulators (6) had ware.

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That sharp line/lip in the next two photos is really bad ware. The accumulator has worn enough of the bore away to create an actual lip in the bore.

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So this seems to be the actual failing point of these valve bodies. The accumulators are responsible for (at least what I can determine by some internet research) TCC lockup, slippages, gear engagement, basically they regulate pressure threw out the VB. By how the bores are all worn to one side I could imagine that these accumulators start getting forced to one side of the bore and either stick or do not move as fast as needed which leads to improper Vb oil pressure which leads to odd shifting behavior.

So, at this point if I wanted to keep this an auto I would really need to get a new VB. The trans itself looks clean on the inside so I see no reason why the clutches would be burned up or any other internal fault.

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But since this is only temporary, I put on the new gaskets and reassembled the now clean but worn old Vb with the three new relays (valves) supplied with the Transgo kit. And here is where I messed up. The kit wants you to cut the caps off the six solenoids, clean them out and use the Transgo caps to reassemble the thing. The instructions tell you to use a deep socket and some locktite and bang the new cap back on the solenoid. Well the first solenoid I did this too put me off on the whole process, I could see contaminating the solenoid with metal shavings as I had to cut the cap off of the thing, and deforming the whole body of the solenoid as I wailed on it a bit to get the cap back on.

Seeing as this one solenoid was clean and did not need to be opened up I did not touch any of the other five original solenoids. Welp, got the car back together and then this.

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So this code essentially points to the TCC solenoid having an internal fault. The solenoid I took apart was the TCC one, so I must have damaged it. Basically the converter just slips and gear selection is harsh, especially R to D. I have a spare "Good" solenoid that looks identical (out of a 2009 V8 xc90) that I'm going to swap in to see if I can fix this on the cheap.

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The only thing that differs from this solenoid from the original one is the lettering stamped on it. The long number on the case is different and the "60 B4" stamp is different as the original solenoid is stamped "A4" or some such. But they look identical, same electrical connector, same location for the locking pin, same body, same valve. The only thing that could be different is the spring rate, but the springs look identical. I can only imagine the stamping on the side of the body is a serial number and the "60 B4" stamp is the original location for this solenoid within the xc90's Vb.

At any rate I'll do this quick repair and get back to you guys on weather this works or weather my manual swap has just got pushed up by six months.

I must say this job sucks, and if you Vb is giving you issues its better to replace it with a new one as the casting itself is worn/damaged and not just a valve or part that is easily replaced.
 
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The more info out there on these things the better, so I'm fine with that.

Tearing into it again its clear I damaged the TCC solenoid, you can shake it and hear it clack around way more than the other "good" solenoid.

Tho upon jacking up the motor to get the pan off I got overzealous and went too far, resulting in me pulling the inner joint out of the passenger side axel. So no in addition to swapping in another soleinoid I have to remove the axle boot and fix the inner joint.

So I'm doing great today.........
 
#10 ·
Oof! Hopefully the fix goes better for you.

Thanks for your contributions!
 
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From my thread linked in my sig:
Replacement Sources:

Here's the sources I'm aware of for replacement valve bodies:

2006/2007 S60R V70R and 2006/2007 XC90 V8/3.2L Automatic Geartronic Transmission Aisin Warner TF80SC Valve Body Rebuilt or New Replacement:

One Stop Gearbox Shop - New - ~$550 Shipped (or $456) (Need to confirm these are the updated design)
http://www.onestopgearboxshop.com/c...omatic-brand-new-oem-af40-tf80sc-gearbox-valve-body-genuine?variant=29160338054

Cobra Transmission - New - $783.99
https://cobratransmission.com/tf80sc-valve-body-volvo-305017-1
(Note: Per VNDETTA's discussion with Cobra, this is a new and updated Aisin Warner Valve Body without a Volvo sticker on the packaging.)

Ream Man Valve Bodies - Remanufactured - $674.48
http://www.reamman.com/products/149-tf80sc.aspx

Advantage European Auto Parts (Michigan) - Will Rebuild Your Valve Body - ~$600
http://www.advantage-european.com/

RevMax Converters - Rebuilt - $749.00
http://www.revmaxconverters.com/ind...ers.com/index.php/valve-bodies/updated-oem-replacements/af21-tf-81sc-1842.html?

Macko Transmission Parts - Rebuilt - $1,273.09
http://www.makcotransmissionparts.com/P39740-2.html

Valve Body Direct - Remanufactured - Pricing Unknown
http://www.valvebodydirect.com/aisin-warner-remanufactured-valve-body.php

Sonnax - Remanufactured - Pricing Unknown
http://www.sonnax.com/parts/3986-remanufactured-valve-body

Before I ordered any of these, I would be absolutely sure to contact the vendor to verify correct fitment for your caR or V8.

The dealer charge for replacing a valve body is 4.1 hours labor.
 
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Sonnax reams the bores and installs oversize valves. Like you surmise you are wasting your time on a rebuilt valve body if the rebuilder doesn`t do it that way and I think that`s why the large discrepancies in price. Sonnax valve bodies are almost impossible to find for do it yourselfers ( they sell to shops only ). I would get a new one from Volvo. Tasca has them for a little less than $1200. Great write up! Cobra is charging $1154,
not $783 as listed in this thread
 
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But even if they ream out the bore and install an oversized accumulator, you still have a very soft bore material that will prematurely ware the same way as before. So a rebuilt Vb would still be as good as a new "defective" vb (the early build ones) and, for me, I wouldn't want to spend around $700 on a rebuild that might last when I could spend $1,200 on a new one that should have this material defect addressed.

Is that accurate? From what I read the old vb (like the one I have) are made of a soft metal that leads to this ware, the new vb design addressed this and used a stronger material so the ware in the accumulators should not become and issue as quickly.
 
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Welp, I've made a mess of things.

So basically the transmission is "dead" for lack of a better word. Keep in mind that it drove fine the past 60 miles after the initial torque converter unlocking incident.

Oil level is good, I reset all the adaptations and its still way way worse than when I started. It slams into every gear, if it even goes into gear. The car thinks its in 3rd when its actually in 2nd, then SLAMS into 3rd. Then the torque converter unlocks and goes into essentially neutral (even tho the car shows its in 3rd) then SLAMS back into 3rd.

So I messed something up within the VB. I could have misaligned the new gaskets a little bit, thus covering some of the oil passageways. I could have installed some valves wrong even tho I was very carful not to do so. At any rate this Vb is dead and would require a new one to the tune of $1,200 plus all the work to install it.

So I'm at an impasse. Do I spend the money on a new Vb and assume the rest of the trans is fine, and go threw all this work again just to keep this auto for 6 - 12 months more. Or do I just take the next few months slowly converting this to an M66....

I have all of the manual swap parts from my 04 donor car. I need to rebuild the axels (I have the parts and its pretty easy), get the flywheel resurfaced (got a guy who can do it easily), get a new clutch/pp/tob (easily bought at fcp), and probably replace the axle seals on the trans (easy).

What's not easy is dealing with the AG. The one I have from the donor car has pretty worn out splines (but still engages at least), but the rest of the unit looks/feels good. Ideally I wanted to use the AG from the TF80sc but I'm having a hard time getting the collar sleeve that would make it work as they seem to be all backordered indefinitely (its from a 2009 xc70 M66 diesel, only one year, only in europe).

So I could just rebuild the M66's AG and weld on the collar, but that's less than an ideal situation and more money and more time to rebuild the thing.

The other snag is the tune and wiring. I have ALL of the sensors and wiring from the donor car (reverse lockout, clutch switch, reverse light switch, and all of their wiring from the switch to the ecu), it would just take a bit of time to figure out the proper way of wiring them all into the automatics loom.

The tune seems relatively easy as a few people in my area do it, I would just need to get the car to them which would be the PITA of the situation.

At any rate if I were to suggest anything it would be to just get a new VB, these are flawed from the start and even if I were successful in rebuilding mine its still worn out and not worth the effort. That is also assuming the trans filter is not clogged or that the clutches and other internal bits of the trans itself are fine, which is questionable when it comes to these transmissions it seems.

Overall I'm pretty disappointed that I actually made things worse. I've done a lot of automotive repairs on all my volvos (rebuilding the heads, rebuilding an M56, all the suspension work and interior work, ect ect) and I've never failed at repairing them, especially making the problem worse than when I started. So take that for what it's worth when your thinking about rebuilding these VBs, its a lot of little parts that all need to be perfectly aligned in order for the trans to operate properly. Even being as carful as I was its no guarantee that it will work.
 
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Sorry all that work and not an ideal ending. I saw picks of the Valve Body and thought a difficult repair. The places that rebuild have test equipment to check their work. One little thing wrong and you see the result. I admire trying to do a manual swap, but I think it`s fraught with issues. Of course you know an 04 had a different auto transmission, so an 04 manual into an 06 might be even more problematic. You`ve probably looked at all that though. You know what you are doing it seems and good luck. I would get a inexpensively rebuilt VB and put it in for now.
 
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As far as the manual swap is concerned, it seems 90% straight forward enough.

From the research I'v done, all the hard parts just swap over. So the M66 will bolt up to my 06 motor, use the 04's axles, angle gear, shift cables, pedal box, and shifter assembly (all these parts just bolt in as the chassis all ready has room/mounts for all of this).

The reverse light switch, reverse lockout and clutch pedal switch would take a bit of research for hooking them up. I have the full wiring loom for them, but I know the 04 has a pretty different wiring loom than the 06 and a different CAN bus system. But I figure as long as I wire them following how a manual 06 is wired then it should be fine.

Then I would just need a manual tune from one of the Volvo shops around here.

I've never been really happy with this auto, even when it was behaving well. It just seemed slow even in manual mode, and a bit jerky especially when hot. Overall it was a fine commuter car but kind of a boring spirited drive. When I'm faced with either spending $700 -$1,200 to just get back to square one or spend $1,300 to get it manual swapped ($500 tune, $400 for the clutch/pp/flywheel resurface, $100 for fluid, $300 for the AG service) the justification to leave it auto gets really weak. Then factor in I could sell my good tf80sc axles and AG to recoup some cash, well, I'm having a hard time just not going full manual swap.
 
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I understand wanting to change. It`s always that last 10% that`s the bitch. CAN bus can cause all kind of havoc. I installed an Airhorn on my 07 S80 V8. I connected it with the wires from disconnected one of two horns, worked fine. Decided to disconnect the other horn, as soon as I did that the little compressor for the horn spun the other way. No more air horn until I reversed the wires to the compressor all because of CAN bus. I would see if this tune from IPD could work for you.
https://www.ipdusa.com/products/775...ucts/7756/115121-engine-ecu-flash-tune-upgrade-for-motronic-7-turbo-models-1999
 
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When you say that you reset all the adaptations , do you mean that you cleared the values and then ran the recalibration process (initiate in VIDA, drive at xxxx rpm until you get a flashing light, then repeat for next rpm step, etc.) ?
 
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Yes, to the best of my ability.

As in just keeping the car at 1,000 rms just resulted in the car crawling along in 1st.

To be fair I did not follow the vida instructions well as the trans was acting so abnormally I didn't think the adaptations would really help.

Also, it keeps showings codes for a bad 2nd gear issue. So I think I messed up something internal within the vb.
 
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congratulations, you took a lot of things apart and put a lot of things together. At least you did identify the actual flaw in the VB (even though you didn't fix it) this was a neat academic exercise but most people just need to buy a properly fixed one from eBay (Ream Man) and plop it in. At least people can see 80% of what goes into properly rebuilding one.
 
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I did mine an hour here an hour there, but I would say 6 to 8 hours. The connectors are a real pain getting off and fidly getting back on. You`ll need help getting the new Valve Body set in place as well as help with the pan set in without smearing the gasket maker all over. Drain oil out of the transmission ( about 2.5 qts come out )before taking the pan off and then none is left in the pan. This pic is invaluable for connecting and routing the wires.
 

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