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T5 showing signs of failure, Rod knock suspected

3.8K views 16 replies 9 participants last post by  Hirst  
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My partners V50 is at 190k miles, I gave it a major refresh at 150k including PCV, timing belt, oil pump, water pump, cam seals and everything to do with that process. Over the last few oil changes I have been seeing a little bit of "forbidden glitter" in the filter. Today I noticed a rhythmic knocking that only occurs under load and matches the engine RPM. I'm fairly certain its rod bearings so my question at this point is can I feasibly do the rod bearings by just dropping the oil pan or is there going to be too much preventing me from swapping the rod bearings preventatively.

I have had a few of these motors apart entirely but In the interest of saving downtime I am hoping to not drop the entire motor.
The wagon is showing its age but I have put enough money and work into it that I don't think its worth letting it die, my concern with only dropping the pan is if I then notice more components that need replacing then it would be partially disassembled, undrivable, and not worth saving the motor. Spending under $500 on parts seems worthwhile; dropping the motor, taking the head off a good compression, non leaking motor and separating the m66 and transfer case would border on untenable. Even with a good power output T5, 6 speed AWD and dynamic package, this V50 is getting closing in on 200k and the car shows it.
 
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I haven't seen these engines completely apart, but I did saw some pictures of the engine without the oil pan and the rods look fairly accessible. I can't think what could be obstructing access other than the pickup tube. I think it should be doable.
 
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Really I think the question is can the pan be separated without unbolting the trans, can the pickup assembly all come out with the motor still in place. I feel like the oil cooler will have to come off and that's fine I know the A/C copmressor will have to swing out of the way , maybe even drop the front subframe if I have to but if I have to pull some sideways bolt out that is right against the oil pump behind the balancer or something dumb like that it will make me rethink the whole process.


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Yes, I've read several posts of other members replacing oil pans with the engine still on the car. Including one that replaced rod bearings.

I attached the VIDA instructions of the oil pan removal and replacement.
 

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my question at this point is can I feasibly do the rod bearings by just dropping the oil pan
As others have already mentioned, you can. That's exactly what I did with my XC70. Dropping the oil pan will suffice and you can access all rod bearings directly from underneath the car. It took me a couple of hours total and the "quick and dirty" fix has worked great for 100k+ miles so far.

Check the surfaces for scoring and polish them lightly if need be before installing new bearings.
 
#8 ·
Is your car manual? If so, are you certain that the knocking is not the tranny, especially if you happened to install a SMF?
 
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Update in case anyone was interested.
I do not believe for a second that these are the original rod bearings because for the most part they look practically new.
Cylinder 2 however was nearing a major catastrophe.
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The marks left on the journal are not terribly concerning as i couldn't feel them, and there is no sure answer as to whether they are new marks or what required the bearings to be done some 50k+ miles ago before I owned it.
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The job was pretty straightforward as most people said with the exception of pulling the A/C compressor bracket out of the way to get the hardlines aside. If the radiator was out this would have been a 4 hour job.

All in all I feel better about getting another year or two out of the red wagon before its truly knocking on heavens door.
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Update in case anyone was interested.
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The marks left on the journal are not terribly concerning as i couldn't feel them, and there is no sure answer as to whether they are new marks or what required the bearings to be done some 50k+ miles ago before I owned it.
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Congrats. Like I mentioned earlier, sorting this out is very straightforward. I would have probably polished the journal before installing new bearings, with a strip of rag and Farecla/Mothers, but minor scoring like this isn't usually a big deal. It may even be just some brass that has rubbed off from the old bearing.

Expect at least 100k miles from the new bearings, mine's still going strong. Not bad for a ghetto-fix. 🤪