Re: SUV's....Volvo vs. Porsche (S80-T6_Toronto)

My partner leased a Cayenne S before the XC90.

It was just as problematic as the Touareg. The difference between VW and Porsche buyers was that Porsche dealers made an effort to fix the vehicles and Porsche drivers are most likely to be enthusiasts and more forgiving of idinosyracies than VW Touareg buyers.

From what I've heard; its triplet (the Audi Q7) has been problematic as well.

Go for the Cayenne Turbo S.

 

Re: SUV's....Volvo vs. Porsche (S80-T6_Toronto)

I agree the Porsche is a nice vehicle. My concern if you plan to use it as a daily driver or at least frequent driver would be the maintenance cost. A publication did do a comparison of the 2 vehicles about 2 years ago. I will look to see if I can find it. If you are really interested in the Porsche but want a 7 passenger, you should consider the Audi. It sits on a stretched version of the Porsche platform and the performance numbers are pretty impressive, although still not quite up to the Porsche's. The XC90 V8 is a very nice vehicle, especially for the cost. Performance is above adequate.

 

Re: SUV's....Volvo vs. Porsche (tmp90)

If you are interested in the Porsche suggest you check out the new GT S. There is a feature article in the current issue of Autoweek.

Being a long time Porsche owner i too looked at Porsche's SUV. For me it was bumping up against being too pricy for what is there. BMW is planning on a 3-row model this next year and that could be a nice compromise. The Porsche is very heavy (as is the VW) and as such the people I talked to indicate 14-16 (max) highway MPG. This is significant for a couple of reasons. It's my personal belief, and assuming normal length of ownership, you will see $5-$7/gallon fuel cost. When that happens, SUVs will be worth even less than they are now. Since I just traded for an '08 XC90 (Delivery in Mar) I know about trade in values of older SUVs. If, mentally, you are okay with that and the initial drive away cost is not a problem... go for it. The Porsche is certainly a nice vehicle and at the moment Porsche is having difficulty selling them - as are all SUV mfgrs.

BTW, I used Costco's program. The no hassle price from them was about $8K under MSRP. After delivery I'll get a $500 gift cert after I fill out a survey. It was very smooth, but the program is expires the 31st of this month.

 

Re: SUV's....Volvo vs. Porsche (JimJa43)

This is a no-brainer. the XC90 V8 has more than enough power. And if you want a porsche, get a real porsche (i.e. a sportscar). If you want an SUV with 7 passenger option and you like Volvo's well...there is only 1 choice then isnt there?
Also, the fact that the XC90 has been Volvo's top seller for years will tell you there are plenty of people who love their Volvo SUV.
Porsche SUV=dumb way to spend many many many dollers.
Hows that for a humble answer?

 

Obviously the Porsche sales show there are plenty of people with money that want that kind of power in an SUV and are willing to pay for it. Volvo should have built a more powerful sport line of SUVs.

 

Re: (swedishiron)

Quote, originally posted by swedishiron »

Obviously the Porsche sales show there are plenty of people with money that want that kind of power in an SUV and are willing to pay for it. Volvo should have built a more powerful sport line of SUVs.

I seriously doubt that the majority of Porsche owners buy the car for its power; they buy it as a "show" car, as a "look-at-my-Porsche" or simpy for the prestige of driving an SUV and Porsche, at the same time.

Hence, so many moms drive them.

Yannis

 

Re: (GrecianVolvo)

I don't know Yannis....I really think its a combination of power+looks+ 'porsche' nostalgia..... (i think thats my reasoning anyways)

I saw a Cayenne Turbo S today....candy apple red, 19" gunmetal rims, red BBK's........it just smoothly overtook me from 3 car back at about 120mph.....wow....just beautiful vehicle to look at ......

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Re: (S80-T6_Toronto)

Quote, originally posted by S80-T6_Toronto »

I don't know Yannis....I really think its a combination of power+looks+ 'porsche' nostalgia..... (i think thats my reasoning anyways) I saw a Cayenne Turbo S today....candy apple red, 19" gunmetal rims, red BBK's........it just smoothly overtook me from 3 car back at about 120mph.....wow....just beautiful vehicle to look at ...... http://********************/smile/emthup.gif

No doubt about it. I think the car you saw is pretty, indeed.

The overwhelming majority of Porsche Cayennes sold are not Turbo models. The regular Cayennes look average. And they are not driven my male drivers.

Yannis

 

Re: (KeystoneVolvo)

Quote, originally posted by KeystoneVolvo »

No doubt about it. I think the car you saw is pretty, indeed. The overwhelming majority of Porsche Cayennes sold are not Turbo models. The regular Cayennes look average. And they are not driven my male drivers. Yannis

Very true and what a shame (the non-turbo part, that is).
I just hate to see so many poor, underpowered Cayene's out there, they really are boring to look at (and equally boring to drive, I'm sure).

The Cayene Turbo, on the other hand, is very SWEET! I often seen a red one and red sport XC90 V8 in my area, both are very nice but very different.

If you need 3 rows get the XC90, I just love mine, even though I have the 'underpowered' version

(too bad the V8 was not out when I had to get mine in time for child #3). If you need 500Hp get the Cayene Turbo (do they make them in yellow?)

LTA

 

Re: (KeystoneVolvo)

Quote, originally posted by KeystoneVolvo »

No doubt about it. I think the car you saw is pretty, indeed. The overwhelming majority of Porsche Cayennes sold are not Turbo models. The regular Cayennes look average. And they are not driven my male drivers. Yannis

haha...I never realized that the majority of Canyenne drivers were females!! I'll have to look at the driver next time!!

The Cayenne Turbo, and Turbo S model is still one very powerful and versatile SUV. The V6 XC90 really lacked on this....(in my opinion Volvo has really been lacking in 'power' in many of their models lately....but thats a differnt topic

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Re: (S80-T6_Toronto)

Quote, originally posted by S80-T6_Toronto »

The V6 XC90

Actually, the 3.2L engine is an inline 6, not a V6.

Yannis

 

The base model Cayenne is no longer a total joke. The engine now has 290hp, and it starts at around $43,000, which is quite reasonable.

Of course, in true Porsche style, "pay to play" is taken to extremes. Start checking option boxes, or upgrade to the S/Turbo, and dollars will be sucked out of your wallet with a Dyson!

 

Re: (02s60t5)

Quote, originally posted by 02s60t5 »

The base model Cayenne is no longer a total joke. The engine now has 290hp, and it starts at around $43,000, which is quite reasonable.

An XC90 V8 Sport (311 hp / 325 lb-ft) is not a bad performer - quicker than a base Cayenne, but not quite to the Cayenne S level. Not to the $60k+ Cayenne S level, either, if cost is a restraint.
From a style standpoint, I prefer the XC90 Sport. I like what Volvo does with subtle yet functional performance styling and equipment, and I think the whole package is a good value. The Cayenne, to me, looks like something I squeezed out from between my butt cheeks early this morning, and that's about as good as it gets. All the horsepower in the world won't overcome that.
But if I were in that market, I'd most likely get a supercharged Range Rover Sport, and would not even consider the Volvo, and definitely not the Porsche. But that's me http://********************/smile/emthup.gif

 

Re: (JayDub)

Range Rover Sport?

And the Cayenne looks like something produced from one's buttcheeks?

IMO, the Range Rover Sport is visually less inspiring than the Cayenne.

Of the 3, I certainly like the body styling of the XC90, and would opt for the V8 sport over the other offerings. http://********************/smile/emthup.gif

 

Re: (1sttimevolvo)

Quote, originally posted by 1sttimevolvo »

Range Rover Sport? And the Cayenne looks like something produced from one's buttcheeks? IMO, the Range Rover Sport is visually less inspiring than the Cayenne. Of the 3, I certainly like the body styling of the XC90, and would opt for the V8 sport over the other offerings. http://********************/smile/emthup.gif

Yeah, I have an undeniable preference for square-edged styling (the 850R I used to have, the Lightning I've still got, the Discovery I've got....). The Cayenne reminds me of a late-90s Taurus wagon, or a Hyundai Veracruz/Santa Fe....ovoid + big = disturbing, to me. That's not saying all Porsches are turds - I came very close to buying a Cayman S last year, which is a very appealing car to me, both stylistically (oddly enough) and mechanically. But as far as "inspiring" goes, the sound of the quick-revving supercharged V8 in the RR Sport spooling up to its 5500+ rpm full-throttle upshifts combined with the plant-and-go grip that vehicle has is enough to inspire some wood in the heat of the moment

 

Re: (JayDub)

Topgear liked both cars a lot, but they said that the Volvo is more ideal if you have small children. So there is something to think about I guess. Even though the Cayenne looks like buttcheeks, it has an epic engine, but thats if you are willing to drive a car that is a butt.

I really like the Range Rover a lot as well.

If I recall correctly, Topgear tried to test the Porsche off road and it didn't do so well.

 

Re: (ewizzle)

I work at a dealership that sells all 3 of these cars. I drive all 3 on a rotation every weekoddly enough and I must say there are some things you need to know about each.

The cars are:
Range Rover Sport Supercharged 17.25 LB per HP $71,520
Porsche Cayenne S 17.63 LB per HP 65,250
Volvo XC90 V8 Sport 19.54 LB per HP $51,250

Out of all of them. I must say I very much like the Range Rover Sport. I like it mainly because of the air suspension and the ease of use of everything in it.

The XC90 is the only one Id say actually has a family in mind. Both the other cars are only 5 seaters and both also have smaller back seat room then the XC90. The XC90 is the best people hauler of them, couldn't ask for a better one. The 3rd row is great, and on top of that easy to get into. The seats are all comfortable and it feels just as "tank like" as the Range Rover sport.

I really have no use for the Cayenne. While it is a Porsche (woo hoo?) Its basically a VW Taurege and Audi Q7 with a porche treatment. It has broken down more then both the XC90 and RR combined (and land rover aren't really the car you buy for "dependability" ) It feels even though just as powerful as the range rover, like it struggles more then the XC90 when you floor it to get to speed. The car does neither people hauling well (xc90 wins that) nor does it go off road (range rover sport wins) nor does it do anything well. It gets the worst actual millage with normal trips seeing 11s and 12's where as the Xc gets about 16ish and the RR sport getting 14s. I also must also note, it is very much a VW Tourage. It rides, drives, tows, and behaves like a tourage. I mean actually It breaks down like a tourage to.

If I was looking at any of the triplicate Id prolly get a tourage over the porche seeing as your paying alot of extra cash for the porsche name and getting nothing but the same quality and basic car. Id personally stay away from them, the mechanics say they are nightmares with unsolved electrical problems and random issues, some of which cant even be duplicated. The XC90 has worked out its bugs and the Range Rover sport is rarely seen in the service drive here beyond included maint. Of the bunch the XC90 is the family car, not the fastest but does ride great and has good feel. The RR sport is the ultimate off roader with awesome on road manners of a jaguar, and the Cayenne is the SUV of a porche, fast and pretty, but not really aspired toward actual SUV work, beyond being a yuppie uptown cruiser for women to drive like morons and gangset rappers to drive to be cool.

 

Apparently BMW is preparing a twin turbo V8 for their X6 cross over. It bothers me to see that Volvo who has more experience with turbo charged gasoline engines is letting BMW usurp them. The XC90 Sports should IHMO be available with a Turbo 6 as the base engine pushing out at least 350HP and over 350 pound ft just to stay competitive and yes direct injection is a must. The turbo six should enjoy economies of scale by being shared with the XC60 and should be offered in a sport or R line S80. The V8 will apparently need to be boosted in some fashion - supercharging would make sense to me.

 

Re: SUV's....Volvo vs. Porsche (S80-T6_Toronto)

After a few years of less than happy "volvo ownership" we are in the market for a new SUV. We are currently on our second XC90, and while there are not any glaring issues at the moment, there are tons of little things: rough idle when cold, suspension noises, interior fit and finish issues, etc. For example, slide the sunroof sunshade back, it's a little loose and doesn't slide perfectly. Try that on a BMW or Porsche and I guarantee it will be perfect.

We are looking at both the X5 and the Porsche. Based on my limited research so far, the X5 is a much better value. If you don't need the Porsche name and you don't need the nutty HP, the X5 is probably worth a look. We've owned several BMWs in the past - and have found them to be much better built than the XC90 (I won't generalize to all Volvos, since the two XC90s are our only experience).

 

Re: (swedishiron)

Quote, originally posted by swedishiron »

Apparently BMW is preparing a twin turbo V8 for their X6 cross over. It bothers me to see that Volvo who has more experience with turbo charged gasoline engines is letting BMW usurp them.

BMW's 2002 ttii pre-dates Volvo turbocharging. Also, the company gained some experience with Formula 1 turbo engines in the mid 80s -- about the same year Volvo was first installing tubochargers in its passenger cars.

Volvo certainly has a lot of experience with passenger car turbos. But don't sell BMW short. It might have somewhat different experience, but its probably invested a considerable sum into turbo research (if I understand the cost of F1 development well enough) over the past 20 years.

 

If you want speed (and dont mind nearly single digit MPG) for 40-45K you can't beat the SRT8 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Unless the new Porsche Cayenne GTS took the title it was the fastest SUV in production. A friend of mine took me to the Dodge SRT track experince and that Jeep blew me away, esp off the line. 0-60 in under five seconds in something that big...nice.
Plus, The V8 SRT's are due for the 6.4L engine in 09... unless that changed. They can't tow like the Trailblazer SS but the fit and finish is a lot better in the Jeep.

 

Re: SUV's....Volvo vs. Porsche (Thomas)

Thomas, have you sat in an X5? The headroom sucks. I found one without a sunroof and the headroom was decent in that, but they are rarer than hens teeth. The driver roominess was really the main decider on the XC90 for me.

The Jeep handles like a sow.

 

Re: (Familytruckster)

Quote, originally posted by Familytruckster »

They can't tow like the Trailblazer SS but the fit and finish is a lot better in the Jeep.

Not in the GrC SRT8 I sat in. Typical Chrysler - nice looking from a distance, but get up close (let alone get in) and voila - hard cheap plastic surfaces, stiff plastic-y leather, clunky flimsy switchgear, like always. For the money I honestly expected more. My appraisal of a Charger SRT8 was about equal. It was just a reminder to me why I'm not impressed with anything Chrysler makes, I don't care how fast it goes or how "sharp" it looks. Chrysler is still doing what they've always done best: producing 10lb of crap in a 5lb bag.

 

We opted for the Audi Q7 and have never looked back.

We opted for the Audi Q7 and have never looked back. We have been extremely happy with it and with quattro, it has been an eye opener how good quattro really is compared to the system we had on our XC90. (it has the same 40/60 split used on the RS4/R8 Audis) Very sporty ride compared to the XC90, hauls more stuff because its a little bigger and wider, has a bigger towing capacity, and since it is related to the Porsche I just thought you might want to know. jmho.

Modified by k2volvo at 1:59 AM 1-3-2008

 

Re: We opted for the Audi Q7 and have never looked back. (k2volvo)

Quote, originally posted by k2volvo »

Extremely happy with it.

Extremely happy with what now? I think I missed something.

For the record, the new Cayenne GTS comes equipped with a 6-spd manual. That is awesome and if I could justify the cost, it would be on my short list for my next ride.

EDIT: Noted K2. Thanks for the update http://********************/smile/emthup.gif Good luck w/ the Audi.

Modified by nat_tex at 8:03 PM 1-2-2008

Modified by nat_tex at 8:04 PM 1-2-2008