[michael r]

I was just wondering why the STI has a 0-60 time a whole second faster than the R. The weight difference is 400 lbs. My friend just got one, and I'll get to drive it next week. I sure do think its ugly. But if you were to take the wing off, it would look a lot better. Poor guy has to sing to himself because there is no stereo

But the driver controlled water spray for the intercooler is sweet!! It also has the driver differential control!! I just think that the R should be able to hang with one, and unfortunately I don't think it can. Obviously the R is a luxury car with a world class interior, nav, and killer stereo. I guess it all boils down to the perfect car just doesn't exist.

 

[kartal]

Re: STI Vs. R (michael r)

...on the contrary, the perfect car exists. It's just too expensive

. -- I guess the price tag may render it "imperfect", and therefore prove your theory... Depends on how you look at it.

 

[Firehawk]

Re: STI Vs. R (michael r)

I must say the STI is extremely fast. An owner once gave me a ride in his modded STI, carbon fiber hood, exhause, dp, he said it was pushing 340, I believe him! THe thing is literally a race car, and even in adv...it feels a lot more nimble then the R (weight difference). He got the wing removed and it indeed looked a lot better. I was extrememly impressed to say the least.

 

[SupraGuy]

Honestly ... apples and oranges.

The R is a plush, upscale sedan with scoot. The STI is a raw, street fighter with few creature comforts. Peformance alone, the STI will give you hell.

Modified by SupraGuy at 11:00 PM 4-24-2004

 

[Kirb]

Re: (SupraGuy)

Quote, originally posted by SupraGuy »

Honestly ... apples and oranges. The R is a plush, upscale sedan with a scoot. The STI is a raw, street fighter with few creature comforts. Peformance alone, the STI will give you hell.

I guess it is time to step up the the new M5...

 

[michael r]

Re: (Kirb)

Quote, originally posted by Kirb »

I guess it is time to step up the the new M5...

Now you're talkin!! http://********************/smile/emthup.gif

Sign me up

 

[dectech1]

Re: STI Vs. R (michael r)

From what I've read sti times are 4.8-4.9, s60r is 5.4 to 60. As previously stated two completely different cars each with it's own purpose.

Gerry

 

[Woj]

Re: STI Vs. R (dectech1)

1/4 mile times are vastly different....the last STI that I had a chance to drive runs in the upper 11s to low 12s. Crude, but very fast and essentially untouchable in point to point driving.
Of note, the car and its mods added up to about 41K...essentially what I paid for my S60R.

 

[iblumberg]

Getting into the 11s with a $41k car is impressive. However, I've driven the WRX (not the STi yet) and it feels like an average econo-box. The STi is even more spare.

On the other hand, I suspect that if I had a mod budget of $10k (about what I'm guessing it took to get the STi into the 11s), I could get the R into at least the mid 12s.

As it is, I suspect that (though no one has had the ba**s to go to a track and test it) just the IPD ECU, downpipe and exhaust will take an R into the mid 13s if driven hard. That leaves another $6k to shave an additional second. $6k buys a lot of upgraded intercooler and larger turbo.

For just about $6k, I can get my B5 S4 into the 12s with a pair of new turbos, ECU, fuel injectors, etc.

Thus, I have high expectations for the R as well. It just depends on whether enough of us are willing to pony up the $$$ to get the tuners interested and working.

Ira

 

[michael r]

Re: (iblumberg)

I just got done racing a regular WRX. They have 227 horse and have a 5.4 0-60 time. From a stop I was two car lengths in front of him at 70. Then we raced from 40 to 100 mph, and it was dead even. He was a really good sport. Big thumbs up and shouted he loved the car!!

 

[ChuckV]

Re: (iblumberg)

Quote, originally posted by iblumberg »

Getting into the 11s with a $41k car is impressive. However, I've driven the WRX (not the STi yet) and it feels like an average econo-box. The STi is even more spare. On the other hand, I suspect that if I had a mod budget of $10k (about what I'm guessing it took to get the STi into the 11s), I could get the R into at least the mid 12s. As it is, I suspect that (though no one has had the ba**s to go to a track and test it) just the IPD ECU, downpipe and exhaust will take an R into the mid 13s if driven hard. That leaves another $6k to shave an additional second. $6k buys a lot of upgraded intercooler and larger turbo. For just about $6k, I can get my B5 S4 into the 12s with a pair of new turbos, ECU, fuel injectors, etc. Thus, I have high expectations for the R as well. It just depends on whether enough of us are willing to pony up the $$$ to get the tuners interested and working. Ira

This is what I'm doing: http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=20749
Tuning will be done by RICA. We'll see if the R's motor can hold 350+whp. I think it can with some decent tuning, only one way to find out. When I do the upgrade I'll order rods just in case, but I don't plan on having them installed unless the engine blows up on me.

 

[24Hours]

Re: (michael r)

Quote, originally posted by michael r »

I was just wondering why the STI has a 0-60 time a whole second faster than the R.

I've never seen 4.4sec EVER posted for the STi.

Quote, originally posted by michael r »

I just got done racing a regular WRX. They have 227 horse and have a 5.4 0-60 time. From a stop I was two car lengths in front of him at 70. Then we raced from 40 to 100 mph, and it was dead even. He was a really good sport. Big thumbs up and shouted he loved the car!!

Wow. Were you in the UPS truck or the S60R?? If you were driving the R, that could be considered a pretty good performance for a car that is supposedly soon to be the object of a Lemon Law arbitration.

 

[ktp473]

Re: (24Hours)

Quote, originally posted by michael r »
I just got done racing a regular WRX. They have 227 horse and have a 5.4 0-60 time. From a stop I was two car lengths in front of him at 70. Then we raced from 40 to 100 mph, and it was dead even. He was a really good sport. Big thumbs up and shouted he loved the car!!

Wow. Were you in the UPS truck or the S60R?? If you were driving the R, that could be considered a pretty good performance for a car that is supposedly soon to be the object of a Lemon Law arbitration.

DUDE, please inform me as to what the hell you are talking about. Is the WRX in some sort of lemon law arbitration or are you refering to the Volvo. Additionally, what does a UPS truck have to do with anything? Was this a comment regarding, in your opinion, that the S60 R should have decimated the WRX?

 

[24Hours]

Re: (ktp473)

Quote, originally posted by ktp473 »

DUDE, please inform me as to what the hell you are talking about.

So you've been on the board for a week.... hmm. First: learn how to quote folks. Second: don't be so overtly hostile, esp. as a newbie. Your familiarity with the story-line precludes your ability to understand. Let's just say it's not worth getting into. Let the intended parties reply.

(OK, here's a hint so you may have a shot at piecing the story together: the S60R in question will be subject to a Lemon Law arbitration any day now. Now go into past threads and figure out the rest.)

 

[awdwrc]

Re: (24Hours)

Quote, originally posted by 24Hours »

I've never seen 4.4sec EVER posted for the STi. 4.6 sec according to car and driver. 4.9 from road and track. 4.4 is will can be achieve with just an exhaust. Wow. Were you in the UPS truck or the S60R?? If you were driving the R, that could be considered a pretty good performance for a car that is supposedly soon to be the object of a Lemon Law arbitration.

Why bc the wrx is that much slower? like and wrx to a civic??
I don't agree with hanigng from 40-100 either. since 3rd gear tops around 80s...and 4th on the wrx is even worse than the R.
However, 2 car lead off the line is strange. sure they quote 5.6 0-60 but it's really really hard to do that with the wrx. Sti is much easier to lanch.
1st gear on a wrx is useless and shifting to 2nd takes you out of powerband for a split sec. It's not easy working on the 1-2.
I'm guessing the driver can't drive the car well off the line. With that said the S60r should have a big advantage stock for stock.

 

[ktp473]

Re: (24Hours)

Gee, sorry to impose upon your seniority and for my ignorance regarding the previous lemon law discussion. Wouldn't want to come into your forum as a rookie and upset the master.

 

[ChuckV]

Re: (michael r)

Quote, originally posted by michael r »

I just got done racing a regular WRX. They have 227 horse and have a 5.4 0-60 time. From a stop I was two car lengths in front of him at 70. Then we raced from 40 to 100 mph, and it was dead even. He was a really good sport. Big thumbs up and shouted he loved the car!!

You should have crushed him. I've run against a couple of WRXs, and decided not to waste my time with them anymore. I've found I pull about 2 car lengths up to 60 without even launching. I ran two that way. Ran another 40-80. I let off at 80 because I was too far ahead to justify accelerating any further. Started in 3rd at 40 too. I pulled over 2 lengths. I figure it would have been more if I was in the correct gear to start with. After that I decided not to bother messing around with them anymore.
That STi hauls though. Test drove one, pretty nice car. The interior was better than I expected. It'd definitely beat the R from a stop or from a roll. I don't know why everyone says the Evo's handling is much better. The Evo does handle better...it has a much crisper turn-in, feels lighter, and is generally more fun due to a combination of factors, but the STi provided better overall steering feel IMO. Body movements seemed just as well controled too.

 

[Woj]

Re: (ChuckV)

Most of the folks that I know with either an STI or WRX do not leave them stock....making it all that more difficult to outrun them at the stop lights or the dragstrip.
I still maintain that getting the S60R in the mid to low 13's is going to cost you $$$$$$ just because of the weight and that part-time AWD system that makes launching so difficult.
Just look at how badly the S60R did on the Top Gear circuit...it was two seconds sl;ower than the R32!

 

[michael r]

Re: (24Hours)

Quote, originally posted by 24Hours »

I've never seen 4.4sec EVER posted for the STi. Wow. Were you in the UPS truck or the S60R?? If you were driving the R, that could be considered a pretty good performance for a car that is supposedly soon to be the object of a Lemon Law arbitration.

First off, as I written several times, the R is fine on surfaces that resemble a mill pond. This is where the incident with the WRX took place, on the glass like surface of route 9. I also stated several times that I will miss the power of this car. It seems as though you don't know much about Subarus?? As someone else here said many people upgrade their WRX's. Even stock they are very fast. My comment about the STI being a whole second faster 0-60 stands as absolutely correct. I drove one once down in Westchester, and its unquestionably faster. Sorry if this bothers you. The only 0-60 time I have seen for the STI is 4.6 seconds. And my R feels at best 5.6/5.8!!

 

[michael r]

Re: (ktp473)

Quote, originally posted by ktp473 »

Gee, sorry to impose upon your seniority and for my ignorance regarding the previous lemon law discussion. Wouldn't want to come into your forum as a rookie and upset the master.

Please don't mind 24Hours. He just likes to walk all over people. He makes his rounds on here just trying to annoy the hell out of anyone he can. So its best sometimes to just ignore him. So don't let him scare you away. You called it right, he is the MASTER