I can confirm for my 2019 it remembers the last setting so disable is possible. 😁 that said I believe its just an update.

 

I can confirm for my 2019 it remembers the last setting so disable is possible.

Must be US/CA spec because in my EU2019 it's still re-enables itself after restart... Just triple-checked this morning...

 

It is true that they cannot disable auto start stop in older cars. It was part of the Emissions Qualification so in order to disable an emission control device, they would have to resubmit the vehicle for Federal Emissions Testing.
I agree it is a bothersome system, has many drawbacks, is annoying, doesn't save much fuel, puts heavier wear on the starter, flywheel, and battery systems. Half the time doesn't work anyway and people complain it DOESN"T work.

 

That's just great. The one thing I hate about driving the car. Just when you forget and you stop for a 1/2 second... the damn thing shuts off. Arrggggghhh

 

I made "automatic start-stop" off part of my individual settings. Yes I still need to select individual every time that I start the car, but when I do that I don't need to worry about start-stop.

 

Exactly this. Then it's never really a hassle..at least to me. What I actually wish is that there was a timer that could delay the engine stopping/starting (say after 4-5 seconds stopped or whatever). I don't mind the feature. I just want it to activate when I'm at a red light and going to be stopped for a little while. Not at every stop sign I have to stop at in my city for a split second. I've learned to lightly brake when I have the feature on and lightly hold the brake pedal and then it often doesn't engage, unless in Eco mode because it engages before you actually stop then.

 

Great. We all have done the same. It’s a crap solution at best. Are you (and all others who have championed this ‘solution’ since release) saying you would rather select Individual at every start as opposed to having the vehicle default to the prior mode at each start? If so, I commend you. Me? I want my 10 month old $50K vehicle to get the software update.

 

Great. We all have done the same. It's a crap solution at best. Are you (and all others who have championed this 'solution' since release) saying you would rather select Individual at every start as opposed to having the vehicle default to the prior mode at each start? If so, I commend you. Me? I want my 10 month old $50K vehicle to get the software update.

No..not saying I would rather select Individual at startup, but I understand a software update might not happen due to whatever regulations...or one may be a long time coming. So it's not a big deal to me to select a drive mode at start up. Takes two seconds. Would I rather it remember on its own? Of course I do. I'm not sure I'm seeing this solution being "championed"....but it's a doable workaround in absence of anything else. Faster than swiping right and turning it off each time and with individual mode I get to take care of the other things I prefer too....would love it to default to Individual at startup though.

 

It's absolute crap because you know it's an incredibly simple software update that could EASILY be applied to the 2018s. Seriously, Volvo, you're pissing off your passionate consumer base and are going to lose customers over this.

 

1st world problems really are terrifying, not to mention the cause of finger fatigue.

 

I'm glad you're OK with spending that much on a new car and accepting mediocrity. I'm not.

 

I don't need to disable start/stop on T8, but I still change to individual mode every time after starting the car.

What I really wish is to tie the default driving mode to key fob...

As to what's the default in guest key fob or if persistent (if as tested by EPA), I really don't care.

 

Yes, what Volvo needs to do is make "Individual" selectable as the start-up option in your profile instead of you having to select it every time. Start/Stop problem solved, along with anything else that's covered in the "Individual" settings.

 

Yes except for those who don't have drive mode settings like on my T5, but are still cursed with this blasted start/stop feature.

 

Quick update, started a petition here. Please sign! We will take the signatures to Volvo to help them reconsider.

https://www.change.org/p/volvo-corp...disable-the-start-stop-feature-permanently-d8ebc719-91ed-4a80-9832-0d2e1283cfe5

 

For those who may drive with their hands on the shift or near it, if you bump the shift over to manual mode stop will not engage when coming to a stop.

 

Many people are scared by manual shifting mode nowadays. They don't want to touch anything manual.

 

I grew up driving a stick so its still a habit for me to have my hand there................

 

Me too! Plus my other car, a Fiat, has a dual-clutch auto....which at least in their implementation, needs a little extra car so I always shift to neutral at stops to be sure it isn't slipping one of the clutches...I think a software update fixed that issue but it's habit now. So I sort of do the same in the Volvo sometimes...just switch over to manual as I'm coming to a stop...but I do agree it shouldn't NEED to be done. It is likely simple to update the software to allow a permanent selection...everything I've researched on it though isn't that it's hard to do...it's more of a bureaucracy issue due to how the car was submitted for fuel efficiency ratings or whatever the case was...

 

I have to say I've had Start/Stop in my previous vehicles, including my last XC60 and various rental cars and it never bothered me. But now in month 11 of my 2018 T6 AWD XC60, I can fully confirm that the start/stop implementation in this particular model is significantly inferior and far more disruptive than other vehicles I have driven. At times, in the right circumstances, it is dangerous and disruptive.

Sure you can press buttons all the time or change drive modes, but that in itself can be distracting thus dangerous. A better solution all around would have been a less disruptive/better tuned implementation. Lots of makers have pretty innovative solutions.

And don't get me started on the other big fail this particular model, turbo/complete power lag for full seconds when accelerating just after decelerating... and I'm not even picky when it comes to performance and response compared to most.

 

I have to say I've had Start/Stop in my previous vehicles, including my last XC60 and various rental cars and it never bothered me. But now in month 11 of my 2018 T6 AWD XC60, I can fully confirm that the start/stop implementation in this particular model is significantly inferior and far more disruptive than other vehicles I have driven. At times, in the right circumstances, it is dangerous and disruptive.

Sure you can press buttons all the time or change drive modes, but that in itself can be distracting thus dangerous. A better solution all around would have been a less disruptive/better tuned implementation. Lots of makers have pretty innovative solutions.

And don't get me started on the other big fail this particular model, turbo/complete power lag for full seconds when accelerating just after decelerating... and I'm not even picky when it comes to performance and response compared to most.

Can you elaborate a little more on "I can fully confirm that the start/stop implementation in this particular model is significantly inferior and far more disruptive than other vehicles I have driven. At times, in the right circumstances, it is dangerous and disruptive."

I'm also not experiencing "turbo/complete power lag for full seconds when accelerating just after decelerating". Were you always experiencing that? Or did it crop up over time? Like what's a situation in which this happens? My last few cars have been Audi and Fiat turbos and I felt much more lag in those cars than I ever have in my T6.

 

Perhaps this explains why Volvo did this. Still doesn't explain why they allow you to disable it in the 2019s?

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a.../automakers-increasingly-offer-ways-to-deactivate-stopstart-systems-temporarily

 

All MY19 vehicles now feature the new logic allowing
customers to change the default "On" to "Off". Previously, Start/Stop was always
active after every key cycle even if it was manually turned off during the last drive.
Going forward, Start/Stop is tied to the COMFORT drive mode and the vehicle will
remember the last customer-selected setting, i.e. if turned off while in COMFORT,
Start/Stop will remain inactive after the next key cycle.
Please note that the other drive modes will maintain their current interplay with
Start/Stop:
 In the ECO drive mode, Start/Stop is always turned on.
 Start/Stop is always inactive in the DYNAMIC drive mode.
 With the new logic, Start/Stop will always resume the latest setting when
returning to COMFORT, either manually or after a fresh key cycle.

It is important that all MY19 customers are aware that they have the option to
deactivate Start/Stop as described above, however, please note that there is no
retrofit possible for MY18 or earlier vehicles due to certification reasons. As
previously communicated, MY19 XC40 vehicles built prior to 18w17 are able to
receive the new set-up via the 18w19 software update.

While many Volvo customers may embrace the new logic, it is important to
understand that the Start/Stop function, when active, improves fuel economy while
reducing exhaust emissions.

 

Thanks for posting this. This part gets me:

"there is no retrofit possible for MY18 or earlier vehicles due to certification reasons."

So.....Volvo is pissing off a good chunk of their 2018 model year customers because of a certificate.

 

I had my XC60 in for 10000 mile service and they did a “software update”. Immediately I noticed that the start/stop feature was improved. The engine used to shut off seemingly while I was still rolling to a stop which made for very herky jerky stops. But now I’ve noticed there is a definite pause between full stop and engine shut off, a full second or so. If you haven’t been by a dealer for a full software update (more than just Sensus) I’d recommend it. I also noticed the HUD is much brighter. Seats also auto adjust when swapping between my wife and my FOB, which before I’d have to trick to adjust by doing a random sequence of lock/unlock with the FOB when changing between my wife’s and mine.

 

I guess I didn't notice this on my 2019 V90, but now that I think of it, I can confirm that once the Auto Stop is set to Off for Comfort mode, it holds that through an ignition cycle. Eco mode still reverts back to On though.

 

First time Volvo buyer here after being with Saab for over 20 years. It's complete BS that my 2018 purchased 11 months ago 'cannot' be retrofitted' for this. So as an early adopter, I paid more than I would if I had waited a year (and I was fine with that), but now I get stiffed on what is a much needed up date to the worst implementation of start/stop in the industry. They realize how bad it is, but are OK with screwing the early adopters. Thanks, Gothenburg. Wish my money could have stayed in Trollhättan.

 

Yep, as I have discovered over time, Volvo is stubbornly restrictive when it comes to simple retrofits - even when the parts and software are readily available and the process itself is straightforward. It is maddening really, and has no sensible explanation.

My main complaint with 2018 XC60 is the slow Sensus (as with many others, I am sure). I grind my teeth every time I start the car, knowing that they updated the main processor in the MY19 version, yet offered no retrofit for the car that was made just a few months prior.

 

Well I just picked up a 2018 and the purchasing dealer re-loaded the software that allows for the start stop to be off all of the time unless I turn it on in the settings. So it can be done for 2018 model

 

Ah, you are lucky. Guess people will ask you which version / parts number for the software.

 

I just bought a 2019 mometum and can't turn if off, i guess i'll live with it

 

I just came from the dealer and my salesman went and double checked with their "tech" guy and they all say the Start/Stop disable feature is only available on 2019, NOT 2018. Prove me wrong with some kind of documentation that I can take to them.

 

I just came from the dealer and my salesman went and double checked with their "tech" guy and they all say the Start/Stop disable feature is only available on 2019, NOT 2018. Prove me wrong with some kind of documentation that I can take to them.

+1 I thought this thread would be dead by now. Beating the dead horse..

 

I would still think start/stop is useful, but it should be implemented less intrusive.

If driver presses and holds the brake for 3 seconds after car is stopped, it is good to stop engine.

If driver doesn't hold for 3 seconds, mostly he wants to move immediately, then don't stop engine for this stop.
If driver uses auto-hold, then he doesn't have this hint and stop/restart will happen.

This means, driver can still full stop, and release and press brake again to avoid stop/restart engine, and still benefit from fuel saving when driver knows it is appropriate.

 

I am 10 days into my 2019 XC60 T6 Inscription and it does not remember my drive mode setting each time I start the vehicle. It still goes back to comfort mode.

 

It's not about remembering a drive mode.... It's about remembering whether you have start/stop enabled/disabled in Comfort.
Please read the posts.

 

I hope Volvo could come up with some workaround that practically allows us to disable start/stop permanently while not violating the requirements of the certificate. Would it be possible to have a customizable delay time before engine is turned off? I will set it to one thousand years so it never bothers me again.

One thing worries me is the impact it will have on the resale of the car. I personally know someone who is on the market for a new car and claims that he rules out any model with start/stop feature first. If all other car models have start/stop that could be disabled permanently in MY 2019 and beyond, imagine what would happen when we sell the 2018 MY a few years down the road.

"Oh, by the way, this car happens to be from that one rare model year when they started to have start/stop but didn't allow you to disable it permanently. It's really not a big deal. It only takes an extra swipe and click...every time you start the car."

"What?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

I hope Volvo could come up with some workaround that practically allows us to disable start/stop permanently while not violating the requirements of the certificate. Would it be possible to have a customizable delay time before engine is turned off? I will set it to one thousand years so it never bothers me again.

One thing worries me is the impact it will have on the resale of the car. I personally know someone who is on the market for a new car and claims that he rules out any model with start/stop feature first. If all other car models have start/stop that could be disabled permanently in MY 2019 and beyond, imagine what would happen when we sell the 2018 MY a few years down the road.

"Oh, by the way, this car happens to be from that one rare model year when they started to have start/stop but didn't allow you to disable it permanently. It's really not a big deal. It only takes an extra swipe and click...every time you start the car."

"What?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

It will not matter one iota. If you know one person who is throwing a fit over start/stop, there are tens of thousands (for every person like him/her) who don't give a darn about it; practically, all cars now have it.