Over the weekend I did a mod for the rear fog light. Factory the rear fog lights only come on on the driver side but what I did was remove the plastic piece that is on the passenger side and plug in a 1156 bulb and it lights up so now both sides light up with the rear fog light turn on.
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Over the weekend I did a mod for the rear fog light. Factory the rear fog lights only come on on the driver side but what I did was remove the plastic piece that is on the passenger side and plug in a 1156 bulb and it lights up so now both sides light up with the rear fog light turn on.
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Re: Rear Fog Light Mod (JRL)
RVD- to expound on JRL's statement, it looks like your brakes are on.
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| Not a swift idea |
RVD- to expound on JRL's statement, it looks like your brakes are on.
Re: Rear Fog Light Mod (RVD)
Congratulations. You have just defeated the purpose of the rear fog light. Don't feel too bad, others are just as clueless about this feature:
http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=82119
Congratulations. You have just defeated the purpose of the rear fog light. Don't feel too bad, others are just as clueless about this feature:
http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=82119
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Re: Rear Fog Light Mod (JRL)
Audis are that way from the factory as well (they used to be anyway).
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| Last year (nice dry winter night) I got stuck behind a Benz with both on, VERY annoying |
Audis are that way from the factory as well (they used to be anyway).
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GGGGRRRRRRRRRR................what an annoying post. I like the fog on one side, actually very safe that way in the fog plus like all the other guys have mentioned, it enables one to see the difference between the brake lights and the fog. The reason this post peeves me so much is because here in South Africa ones foglights are used as a status symbol on the higher end cars and are left in the on position.
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Re: (CyberRacer)
I believe it is also illegal to have both rear fog lights on as it does look like brake lights. I wouldn't put them on anywhere around police, that's for sure. And yes, it is VERY annoying to drivers behind you.
It seems like this is becoming a "cool" thing to do now, like CyberRacer said, as a status symbol. I'm sure police will start cracking down sooner or later.
I believe it is also illegal to have both rear fog lights on as it does look like brake lights. I wouldn't put them on anywhere around police, that's for sure. And yes, it is VERY annoying to drivers behind you.
It seems like this is becoming a "cool" thing to do now, like CyberRacer said, as a status symbol. I'm sure police will start cracking down sooner or later.
i've tried putting on my rear fogs to see what they look like. you know, park the car turn on the light and get out and look
in the on position, the rear lights look brighter, but the drivers side is no brighter than the passenger side...so i think someone installed the light on the passenger side. i dunno who did, or why. need to investigate further i guess.
in the on position, the rear lights look brighter, but the drivers side is no brighter than the passenger side...so i think someone installed the light on the passenger side. i dunno who did, or why. need to investigate further i guess.
Re: (TGO)
I have actually looked into doing this mode for one reason and one reason alone: to get tailgaters off my @$$. I did the dual rear fog mod in my A4 (and never drove w/ it on), but it works wonders in getting people to sit back. I considered it more a safety feature than anything else.
I have actually looked into doing this mode for one reason and one reason alone: to get tailgaters off my @$$. I did the dual rear fog mod in my A4 (and never drove w/ it on), but it works wonders in getting people to sit back. I considered it more a safety feature than anything else.
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Re: (AthruC)
I actually did it as well for the same reason in back when I had my SAAB. If someone was really tailgating me, just a flash of the fog lights got them to stay back. However no car comes from the factory with both lights installed because it is technically illegal. Once I learned that it was, I was much more careful about using them. Plus, it's not exactly the safest way to get a tailgater off your back, since what you're really doing is 'pretending' to put on your brakes which could cause an accident.
I actually did it as well for the same reason in back when I had my SAAB. If someone was really tailgating me, just a flash of the fog lights got them to stay back. However no car comes from the factory with both lights installed because it is technically illegal. Once I learned that it was, I was much more careful about using them. Plus, it's not exactly the safest way to get a tailgater off your back, since what you're really doing is 'pretending' to put on your brakes which could cause an accident.
Re: (djkronik57)
The guy tailgating you and in turn having to jam on their brakes could cause an accident. It's not illegal to step on your brakes.
Also, some Audi's do come with the factory w/ dual rear fogs (the A6 w/ fogs just outside the rear license plate surround).
The guy tailgating you and in turn having to jam on their brakes could cause an accident. It's not illegal to step on your brakes.
Also, some Audi's do come with the factory w/ dual rear fogs (the A6 w/ fogs just outside the rear license plate surround).
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"It's illegal, blah blah blah..."
That must be why Audi CURRENTLY still sells cars in the US with fog lights on BOTH sides. I don't know (or care) if other manufacturers do it. Stop being fountains of misinformation. It's one thing if you disagree, think its silly or just a bad idea. It's another thing to make statements about which you truly know nothing.
As for defeating the purpose, IMHO, the sole purpose of a rear foglight is to ensure that drivers behind you can see you in inclement weather.
So, if there are two, three, four or 800 lights, it's all the better if a driver behind you thinks they're brake lights. The message? Just slow the %#@! down and stay the !@#% away from me.
That said, I also applaud the use of rear foglights to ward off rear bumper huggers (aka: tailgaters or !@#%holes who follow too closely). I've watched many of these drivers slam on their brakes after I've flipped on the 'ole rear foglight. The message? No different than in the rain.
-Eric
"It's illegal, blah blah blah..."
That must be why Audi CURRENTLY still sells cars in the US with fog lights on BOTH sides. I don't know (or care) if other manufacturers do it. Stop being fountains of misinformation. It's one thing if you disagree, think its silly or just a bad idea. It's another thing to make statements about which you truly know nothing.
As for defeating the purpose, IMHO, the sole purpose of a rear foglight is to ensure that drivers behind you can see you in inclement weather.
So, if there are two, three, four or 800 lights, it's all the better if a driver behind you thinks they're brake lights. The message? Just slow the %#@! down and stay the !@#% away from me.
That said, I also applaud the use of rear foglights to ward off rear bumper huggers (aka: tailgaters or !@#%holes who follow too closely). I've watched many of these drivers slam on their brakes after I've flipped on the 'ole rear foglight. The message? No different than in the rain.
-Eric
FWIW (Wiki source):
Rear fog lamps
"(ECE Regulation 38, SAE J1319) In Europe, vehicles must be equipped with one or two bright red "rear fog lamps" (or "fog taillamps"), which are switched on manually by the driver in conditions of poor visibility to enhance vehicle conspicuity from the rear. The allowable range of intensity for a rear fog lamp is 150 to 300 candelas, which is within the range of a U.S. brake lamp. For this reason, many European vehicles imported to the United States have their rear fog lamps wired as brake lamps, since their European-specification brake lamps may not be sufficiently intense to comply with U.S. regulations, and rear fog lamps are not required equipment in the U.S.
Most jurisdictions permit rear fog lamps to be installed either singly or in pairs. Proponents of twin rear fog lamps say two lamps provide vehicle distance information not available from a single lamp. Proponents of the single rear fog lamp say dual rear fog lamps closely mimic the appearance of illuminated brake lamps (which are mandatorily installed in pairs), reducing the conspicuity of the brake lamps' message when the rear fogs are activated. To provide some safeguard against rear fog lamps' masking of brake lamps, ECE Regulations require a separation of at least 10 cm between adjacent illuminated edges of brake lamps and rear fog lamps." - Wikipedia
Rear fog lamps
"(ECE Regulation 38, SAE J1319) In Europe, vehicles must be equipped with one or two bright red "rear fog lamps" (or "fog taillamps"), which are switched on manually by the driver in conditions of poor visibility to enhance vehicle conspicuity from the rear. The allowable range of intensity for a rear fog lamp is 150 to 300 candelas, which is within the range of a U.S. brake lamp. For this reason, many European vehicles imported to the United States have their rear fog lamps wired as brake lamps, since their European-specification brake lamps may not be sufficiently intense to comply with U.S. regulations, and rear fog lamps are not required equipment in the U.S.
Most jurisdictions permit rear fog lamps to be installed either singly or in pairs. Proponents of twin rear fog lamps say two lamps provide vehicle distance information not available from a single lamp. Proponents of the single rear fog lamp say dual rear fog lamps closely mimic the appearance of illuminated brake lamps (which are mandatorily installed in pairs), reducing the conspicuity of the brake lamps' message when the rear fogs are activated. To provide some safeguard against rear fog lamps' masking of brake lamps, ECE Regulations require a separation of at least 10 cm between adjacent illuminated edges of brake lamps and rear fog lamps." - Wikipedia
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Re: (AthruC)
But it's illegal to turn on your rear foglight in the US when there isn't fog? Wow, mind pulling the reg stating that? I'd honestly love to see it.
Regardless, essentially, are you suggesting that...
- If two rear foglights go on, it could cause an accident.
- If three brake lights go on, you might avoid an accident.
Please explain.
As I see it, if ANY bright red lights go on cause a tailgater to think you are braking (whether you are or aren't is irrelevant), it could cause an accident if the other driver jams on their brakes.
IMHO, the main difference between using your brakes vs. the rear fog is that if I tap my brakes, the schmuck could hit ME AND OTHERS because now I've actually slowed down. Whereas, if I simply flip the rear foglight, the other driver will hopefully not hit ME.
I don't wish harm on ANYONE including the jerk who is driving too closely and I would NEVER suggest acting a manner that I believe might result in an accident (whether it involves me or not) but when it comes to ensuring my own safety (and the safety of my passengers) I try to encourage people to keep their distance in the safest way...which is usually by slowing down enough to encourage them to pass in a separate lane (assuming we are on a multi-lane road or highway) or by pulling off to the side.
When all else fails (and it often does) and I have reason for concern, I'll flip on the rear foglight long before I hit my brakes.
-Eric
| Quote, originally posted by AthruC » |
| The guy tailgating you and in turn having to jam on their brakes could cause an accident. It's not illegal to step on your brakes. |
But it's illegal to turn on your rear foglight in the US when there isn't fog? Wow, mind pulling the reg stating that? I'd honestly love to see it.
Regardless, essentially, are you suggesting that...
- If two rear foglights go on, it could cause an accident.
- If three brake lights go on, you might avoid an accident.
Please explain.
As I see it, if ANY bright red lights go on cause a tailgater to think you are braking (whether you are or aren't is irrelevant), it could cause an accident if the other driver jams on their brakes.
IMHO, the main difference between using your brakes vs. the rear fog is that if I tap my brakes, the schmuck could hit ME AND OTHERS because now I've actually slowed down. Whereas, if I simply flip the rear foglight, the other driver will hopefully not hit ME.
I don't wish harm on ANYONE including the jerk who is driving too closely and I would NEVER suggest acting a manner that I believe might result in an accident (whether it involves me or not) but when it comes to ensuring my own safety (and the safety of my passengers) I try to encourage people to keep their distance in the safest way...which is usually by slowing down enough to encourage them to pass in a separate lane (assuming we are on a multi-lane road or highway) or by pulling off to the side.
When all else fails (and it often does) and I have reason for concern, I'll flip on the rear foglight long before I hit my brakes.
-Eric
Re: (Sue Esponte)
I'm not sure if this was in response to me. I was neither confirming nor denying whether or not it is legal or illegal. I am all for bending the rules in as much a way as "legally" possible, and I am also intrigued at how some cars (the S2000 for example) that comes stock with HID's does not have headlamp washers or self-leveling headlamps, yes that is a required DOT regulation on all automotive HID systems (IIRC, I'm 99% sure one that one, but flame on if I'm wrong).
Also, regarding the dual rear fogs - these "professional tailgaters," as I will call them, know the difference between a rear fog and brake lights (at least here in NY) and need something more to get their attention - that's where the dual rear fog comes into play. It should not be used lightly, or freely, as it does disturb traffic flow, but then again, so does some schmuck driving with two feet in a two-pedal car who happens to be up the @$$ of anyone in front of them, even if there is clear passing space... like that guy who has a free passing lane, yet continues to tailgate the guy in the right lane.
ANYWAY, I'm getting sidetracked here, as I think we all have. The rear fogs should be used as a safety tool not just for inclimate weather, but for warding off (in a safer-to-self manner) aggressive tailgaters as well. And where did you get that someone implied that it was illegal to turn on your rear fogs in the US?
I'm not sure if this was in response to me. I was neither confirming nor denying whether or not it is legal or illegal. I am all for bending the rules in as much a way as "legally" possible, and I am also intrigued at how some cars (the S2000 for example) that comes stock with HID's does not have headlamp washers or self-leveling headlamps, yes that is a required DOT regulation on all automotive HID systems (IIRC, I'm 99% sure one that one, but flame on if I'm wrong).
Also, regarding the dual rear fogs - these "professional tailgaters," as I will call them, know the difference between a rear fog and brake lights (at least here in NY) and need something more to get their attention - that's where the dual rear fog comes into play. It should not be used lightly, or freely, as it does disturb traffic flow, but then again, so does some schmuck driving with two feet in a two-pedal car who happens to be up the @$$ of anyone in front of them, even if there is clear passing space... like that guy who has a free passing lane, yet continues to tailgate the guy in the right lane.
ANYWAY, I'm getting sidetracked here, as I think we all have. The rear fogs should be used as a safety tool not just for inclimate weather, but for warding off (in a safer-to-self manner) aggressive tailgaters as well. And where did you get that someone implied that it was illegal to turn on your rear fogs in the US?
| Quote, originally posted by Sue Esponte » |
But it's illegal to turn on your rear foglight in the US when there isn't fog? Wow, mind pulling the reg stating that? I'd honestly love to see it. Regardless, essentially, are you suggesting that... - If two rear foglights go on, it could cause an accident. - If three brake lights go on, you might avoid an accident. Please explain. As I see it, if ANY bright red lights go on cause a tailgater to think you are braking (whether you are or aren't is irrelevant), it could cause an accident if the other driver jams on their brakes. IMHO, the main difference between using your brakes vs. the rear fog is that if I tap my brakes, the schmuck could hit ME AND OTHERS because now I've actually slowed down. Whereas, if I simply flip the rear foglight, the other driver will hopefully not hit ME. I don't wish harm on ANYONE including the jerk who is driving too closely and I would NEVER suggest acting a manner that I believe might result in an accident (whether it involves me or not) but when it comes to ensuring my own safety (and the safety of my passengers) I try to encourage people to keep their distance in the safest way...which is usually by slowing down enough to encourage them to pass in a separate lane (assuming we are on a multi-lane road or highway) or by pulling off to the side. When all else fails (and it often does) and I have reason for concern, I'll flip on the rear foglight long before I hit my brakes. -Eric |
I think you both need to re-read each other's posts lol.
I agree though. Dual fogs can fend off a lot of tailgaters... too bad I can't have any. You know what else helps? Speeding away slowly, and then enter into a curve since most of my tailgaters are SUVs and they are usually not paying attention to the road. They get this really funny scared look as they realize their SUV is skidding off to the side.
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I agree though. Dual fogs can fend off a lot of tailgaters... too bad I can't have any. You know what else helps? Speeding away slowly, and then enter into a curve since most of my tailgaters are SUVs and they are usually not paying attention to the road. They get this really funny scared look as they realize their SUV is skidding off to the side.
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Re: (AthruC)
Aaaah, now you're talking like someone used to driving in NY! ;-)
You made the following statement...
I was simply saying that doing either could cause an accident and, to the best of my knowledge, it is just as lawful to use your brakes (in a responsible manner) as it is to use your rear foglight. That's all.
-Eric
Aaaah, now you're talking like someone used to driving in NY! ;-)
| Quote, originally posted by AthruC » |
| And where did you get that someone implied that it was illegal to turn on your rear fogs in the US? |
You made the following statement...
| Quote, originally posted by AthruC » |
| The guy tailgating you and in turn having to jam on their brakes could cause an accident. It's not illegal to step on your brakes. |
I was simply saying that doing either could cause an accident and, to the best of my knowledge, it is just as lawful to use your brakes (in a responsible manner) as it is to use your rear foglight. That's all.
-Eric
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