Might want to try something like Pilot sport all season 4 (hopefully 5 would come out at that point), they are not specifically designed for EV but they sound more like your cup of tea. I am a Michelin fan boy all the way, but their pilot sport EV tire is apparently absolutely horrible compares to regular pilot sport line..

 

Its well known EV tires provide better MPG. Its the whole point of EV tires, but at the expense of handling ans comfort.

The load rating of the tire should be independent of EV and no EV. Some tires are much softer than others.

 

Might want to try something like Pilot sport all season 4 (hopefully 5 would come out at that point), they are not specifically designed for EV but they sound more like your cup of tea. I am a Michelin fan boy all the way, but their pilot sport EV tire is apparently absolutely horrible compares to regular pilot sport line..

Those are good tires but the Pzero AS Plus 3 elects are newer and better ranked than the Pilot Sports 4 even with an EV rating.

Wagonswede
That’s an old way of thinking. My first hand experience was that highly rated Non EV UHP A/S tires handled worse than EV tires on our cars. I specifically bought the stiffest, load handling, and grippiest non-ev UHP all season tires and they handled worse because our cars are just so heavy.

As of now I agree there are not many choices in good EV tires but there are some and others are coming out fast. The PZero AS Plus 3 Elects that I just bought and Hankook just came out with a highly rated EV line too. You’re not sacrificing anything with these new EV tires and by not using EV rated it’s actually detrimental to handling, comfort and economy.

 

That doesn’t really make any sense to do. The Pzero AS Plus 3 elects are newer and better ranked than the Pilot Sports 4 even with an EV rating.

Wagonswede
That’s an old way of thinking. My first hand experience was that highly rated Non EV UHP A/S tires handled worse than EV tires on our cars. I specifically bought the stiffest, load handling, and grippiest non-ev UHP all season tires and they handled worse because our cars are just so heavy.

As of now I agree there are not many choices in good EV tires but there are some and others are coming out fast. The PZero AS Plus 3 Elects that I just bought and Hankook just came out with a highly rated EV line too. You’re not sacrificing anything with these new EV tires and by not using EV rated it’s actually detrimental to handling, comfort and economy.

PS4AS is very different from PS4, completely different tire, if you want UUHP summer PS5 has replaced PS4. Or alternatively PS4S will still beat out all of them in terms of driving performance metrics if thats what you are after. If you want a fair comparison you’d need to compare EV and non EV version of the same tire.

 

EV tires would have a harder rubber compound which helps in efficiency. The EX30s and EX90s have EV specific tires but the EX40/EC40 actually does not. EVs in general need a higher load rating in the tire too for obvious reasons.

 

There is nothing magical with EV tires. They exist due to regulations and PR reasons to lower emissions. The manufacturer needs a tire put on the car at delivery that delivers the range as promised. They improve efficiency by using a harder rubber compound, stiffer side walls and less thread depth. For all other purposes theyre second place or worse. Just the fact EV tires have half the wearable rubber thickness makes them more responsive when steering when new. Such is the relationship of variables with all tires, efficiency, comfort, grip, load capacity, tire life/wear. If steering response makes the desires EV tire, we could buy a set of nankang NR-1 and label them as EV tires.

I would never replace worn out tires with new EV-rated tires.

 

You’re again stuck on an old way of thinking. I agree that with the first few generations of EV tires they were just figuring out how to get max mileage out of them. Now there are plenty of performance EV’s that need good tires and tire science has progressed to make good performance tires for them.

Engineering Explained tackled the subject and does a great job of explaining the difference and technologies that goes into them.

“I would never replace worn out tires with new EV-rated tires.”
Im sorry you feel that way. I did and I can tell you it’s much better.

BTW, do you own an EV or plug in hybrid? Your signature isn’t showing any.

 

I have yet to drive an EV-specific tire I liked, but I also don't like all-seasons. I'm more than happy to lose a few miles of range (and replace my tires more frequently) to let me stop in a shorter distance.

 

Superscuba, thank you for your feedback. I’m interested to hear your thoughts and tire history, what tires have you tried?

 

Lets just look at the Michelin CC2 that are used by Volvo as EV tires. Theyre 5mm (or thereabouts) in EV format but 8mm in normal format. Its a huge difference and since winter tires should be replaced at 4mm thread depth, thats 1mm wear thickness for EV version vs 4mm for non EV.

The continental EV version is about the same.

 

I dont know what you think EE says anything differently than what I just said. Its all about efficiency/range, stiffness which is dictated by the load index and the speed rating for the power. It doesnt matter if the car is 5000pounds EV or 5000pounds ICE with equal power. The load is the same, but choosing EV tires means sacrificing thread depth and comfort.

The load index is the max load it can handle, not the average load it is built for. Our cars (I don't think yours) are on average 1000 lbs heavier than what the non EV tires were made to carry on a daily basis. The Pzeros Elect have the same XL (1,565 lb) rating as the non EV version. But they're not the same, there's more lateral rigidity to help control an average heavier vehicle while cornering even though they are labeled to be able to carry the same max load. The Goodyears I replaced had the same XL 1,565 lb rating and they were supposed to be a firmer tire for that load rating and they were soft and wobbly compared to my current tires. EE even explained why having a more rigid sidewall (not just high load rating) is actually more comfortable on a heavier car like the V60 ER. It's just like having a properly tuned spring. Too soft of spring and you bottom out on bumps with a heavy load but it doesn't mean the spring will self destruct. The firmer spring is more tuned to the heavier load on a normal basis.

Lets just look at the Michelin CC2 that are used by Volvo as EV tires. Theyre 5mm (or thereabouts) in EV format but 8mm in normal format. Its a huge difference and since winter tires should be replaced at 4mm thread depth, thats 1mm wear thickness for EV version vs 4mm for non EV.

The continental EV version is about the same.

I honestly cannot find an EV specific version of the CC2's so I'm not quite sure where you're getting your data from. What I can say is the Pzero AS 3's EV rated have the same tread depth as the non EV version.

As to the continentals, I assume you are referring to the Pro Contact RX. I also looked at the GX variants and they show the same results.

The load rating is more on the EV which makes sense and the tread width is also a little more just like EE mentioned but interestingly the tread depths are the same. I'm honestly starting to think you are just trolling.

Please bring actual data points (with citation or a graphic at least), prove you drive an EV/Plugin or even real world actual experience before responding again.

 

The load index is the max load it can handle, not the average load it is built for. Our cars (I don't think yours) are on average 1000 lbs heavier than what the non EV tires were made to carry on a daily basis. The Pzeros Elect have the same XL (1,565 lb) rating as the non EV version. But they're not the same, there's more lateral rigidity to help control an average heavier vehicle while cornering even though they are labeled to be able to carry the same max load. The Goodyears I replaced had the same XL 1,565 lb rating and they were supposed to be a firmer tire for that load rating and they were soft and wobbly compared to my current tires. EE even explained why having a more rigid sidewall (not just high load rating) is actually more comfortable on a heavier car like the V60 ER. It's just like having a properly tuned spring. Too soft of spring and you bottom out on bumps with a heavy load but it doesn't mean the spring will self destruct. The firmer spring is more tuned to the heavier load on a normal basis.


I honestly cannot find an EV specific version of the CC2's so I'm not quite sure where you're getting your data from. What I can say is the Pzero AS 3's EV rated have the same tread depth as the non EV version.

As to the continentals, I assume you are referring to the Pro Contact RX. I also looked at the GX variants and they show the same results.
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The load rating is more on the EV which makes sense and the tread width is also a little more just like EE mentioned but interestingly the tread depths are the same. I'm honestly starting to think you are just trolling.

Please bring actual data points (with citation or a graphic at least), prove you drive an EV/Plugin or even real world actual experience before responding again.

You think you owning an EV makes your argument legitimate? Is that what youre saying?

My work colleague I eat lunch with every day has been driving fast cars for his whole life. Has had Autotech-tuned 850R, S60T5, S60T8 etc. He doesnt know how not-to send it. Now he has a M50. Every week we head of to Harvest, the main restaurant at Volvo PV Torslanda, the development plant at VolvoCars. There is more power in that M50 than your volvo (or any volvo), and there are no places on earth with more volvos per square inch. Does that legitimates things for you?

This summer he threw his old "EV" tires in the bin and put on real tires. There was no question in anyones mind not to chose anything else than normal UHP tires. He went with PS5,245/40R19 98Y XL and 255/40R19 100Y XL as the tire shop didnt have PS4s in stock. The rating is more than adequate for the tire to outperform any existing EV tire. The handling of the car has never been better. Choosing an EV tire would be a downgrade.

The load and the speed rating together with the type of tire say something about the "regidity" of the tire, but those alone does not tell the whole story. The PS4 is softer than the PS4s. The PS4s is significanly softer than the Cup2s. Even my Dunlop RTs 245/40R18 97W for the wagon have significantly more sidewall rigidity than any other tire of the same rating and the same size Ive had. But you have to understand if the tire has a Y rating its a clear giveaway the tire can handle more torque than the average EV. It requires quite the amount of brutality on the tire to get to 300+ km/h /200 mph, which even specific EV-rated tires likely are not rated for, and this tire you can choose regardless if you have an EV or not without any of the drawbacks of an EV tire.

Regarding the CrossCountry2 EV tires mounted from factory on Volvo EVs. These are marked VOL. I,ve measured them myself on a brand new car a year ago. The thread depth is 5.5mm Another option, Pirelli Scorpion All Season are also 5-5.5 when new. Even for a dedicated summer tire this is low, as at less than 3mm thread depth wet performance degrades rapidly. So you only have 2.5mm tops on an EV-tire, instead of the normal 5mm, so to compensate for this you need a harder compound and all this noice cancelling nonsense stuffed into the EV tire that comes with it.

 

Personally I'll be putting DWS 06+ on my V60 PE when the OEM Continental Premium Contacts are done. I've had them on several cars, and I prefer them because they're one of the most consistent tires I've ever put on anything. Doesn't matter what the temperature outside is, I know they'll behave the same way. I know I can trust them from a dead cold start to an hour into a drive. I'll take that kind of consistency over anything else, especially since this will become my daily driver next Winter.

Tire choice is highly subject to where you live, and if the Pierelli EV tires work great for you where you live, that's awesome. There is no best tire for everyone. They do generally rate pretty well in most reviews, so it may just be a case of them being better than the OEM Contis (though I've had no real complaints about mine, which may be a first for an OEM tire). For me the DWS 06+ is the choice because I want an all-season tire that can work in light slush and snow (which we get a few times a year here).

 

Ziyiyeap and wagonswede, I don’t understand why you guys are talking about UHP summer tires. It’s obvious summer tires have a firmer sidewall for handling and could handle the extra weight of our cars. All seasons are made to be more plush and soft for normal weight cars. They don’t successfully manage our extra weight unless meant to.

My first sentence in the entire thread was pointing out that my whole purpose was UHP all season tires. The last three responses you guys wrote out are pointless and have just derailed the thread. I have a MR2 Turbo on Azenis RT660, I would have gotten Pilot Sport 4S’s but they didn’t make them in my sizes. I don’t need UHP summer tires on my daily driver. I like many others need an all season tire that’s still fun to drive.

I figured people would come in defending the go to Continental Extreme Contact DSW06+, not go into left field defending UHP summer tires.


For people in the future looking at UHP All Season tires; I think the Pirelli P Zero AS Plus 3 Elect NCS are a better choice than the DSW06+’s.
Reading this would have save me a of time and research.




Thank you Matt for someone who actually added constructive feedback to the thread. I definitely want to try them out, I was just a little uncertain about them.

I was going off tire racks ranking that the pzero as3 handled most if not all tests better and are quieter and manage our weight better.

 

Also as many EV tires are often OEM specific and have the same design targets as OEM tires, one should keep that in mind when watching this video from someone who knows tires and not some nerd who talked to (and is sponsored by) Hankook.

 

Pardon for reviving this thread, but the topic and subsequent info piqued my interest. I'm nearing tire replacement of my 35,000 mi. factory Pirelli Scorpion Zero AS tires (255/40R21 XL) on my '23 XC60 B5 Ultimate. As many of you have discovered, this tire size is not widely available, but after a lot of research I recently ran up on press releases for the recently released Nokian Surpass AS01 (55,000 mi. treadwear). It's available in my exact tire size, load rating the same (XL), but with a speed rating increase up from V to W and I think it's going to be my next set. My hope is that even though it's a UHP all-season, it will be comfortable and quiet, at least more so than the Pirelli. It employees proprietary technology for grip, pothole protection in the sidewall, and to boot It also wears Nokian's EV badge indicating it's suitable for heavier weight electric vehicles, but also fine for ICE. Initial driving test are really good with a varying range of vehicles. Anyone have any real-world experience with these tires or is considering?

Press Release

 

Those tires with the checkmark look like they would be noisy. Also smoother is better for an EV, it enhances traction. Something more aggressive like a winter tire does the opposite.

 

Checkmark? Sorry not following you.

 

Look at the YouTube snip

 

Well yeah, that's a Wildpeak AT3. I have them on my truck, but would never put them on my XC60.

My post was about the Nokian.

 

Got it. The proper tires for EVs are something with a smoother tread for lowest rolling resistance. The Pirelli Scorpion MS tires on an EX90 are a bit smoother than the Scorpion Verdes on the XC90s. Note there is a pretty big stagger front to rear on an EX90.

The tires on an EX30 are a specific Goodyear Assurance EV tire. The EX40 has the same Scorpion Zero tires as the XC40 on the 20 inch wheels.

All of the PHEVs have the same tires as the MHEVs, the only exception being the XC90 PHEV cannot be had with the 22s (load factor issue).

The EV specific tires are more important with BEVs in my opinion. The only time I hear of people having issues with the tires on PHEVs is when they don't put winter tires on - the rear ones wear really quick in winter driving.