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Not starting - no cranking

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#1 ·
I've read quite a few threads on this topic but I just wanted to run my situation by everyone to see if any new advice can be found. After work yesterday my car decided it didn't want to start. No cranking, no clicking, nothing. I thought it was probably the battery since I had not replaced it in the nearly five years I have owned the vehicle and I was able to push start it (thank you, manual transmission!) so I could drive it home. It ran fine with no unusual behavior but when I got home and tried to restart it the same thing happened. I took the battery to get it tested and it came back good.

I hooked it up to VIDA and found three codes:
CEM-3F02 Clutch pedal sensor Faulty signal
CEM-DF11 CAN-H, high speed network Signal missing
PDM-E001 Control module communication Internal fault​
The last two appeared to have occurred one time quite some time ago while the Clutch pedal sensor fault last occurred 23 cycles ago so I don't think these are clues to what is happening. If I try to start the car without depressing the clutch I get a message telling me to push in the clutch and I would guess if the clutch pedal sensor was causing the no cranking issue I might also get the same message whether I depress the clutch or not when I try to start it.

When I try to start the car I hear a humming for about 5 seconds coming from the engine compartment (not from the fuel pump) but there is no cranking of the engine. If I try to start again without moving the key to position 0 I don't hear the humming, but I do hear it if I move the key to position 0 and try again. I decided to swap the starter relay with another and it made no difference. I even tried without the relay in place and I still hear the humming noise. From what I've read, the starter relay engages the starter solenoid but does not control the starter motor itself so I guess it would make sense if the humming is the starter motor I should still hear it. Anyway, I think it is a faulty starter and will replace it tomorrow unless someone here has a different idea as to what is causing this no crank condition.
 
#3 · (Edited)
So I'm new to these cars, so my advice is more "conventional wisdom" than Volvo S40 specific.

What you are describing sounds like something wrong with the starter or the starter solenoid. Typically if it is a bad starter when you try to start you can hear a clicking noise from the solenoid. Sometimes it is just the one click, sometimes it will be rapid clicks (rapid clicks normally mean the battery is too weak to crank the engine). If you hear a single click then you can be assured the car is trying to start, the solenoid is working, and the starter is probably shot or shorting out somewhere.

If it you can't hear a click it either means the solenoid is bad or perhaps the car has sensed something wrong and won't try to start the car. Again, I don't know enough about these cars to tell you if that is a possibility or not, I'm more familiar with "dumb" cars. I also don't know if the click of the solenoid can be heard on these cars, but every other car I've worked on it is pretty easy to hear when the car won't crank.
 
#4 ·
Is it possible to pull the endcap off ours and push the starter in with a screwdriver? I've had to do that before and even put a button on my harley so I don't have to waste the amperage on the solenoid doing it's job. High voltage and amperage though, so don't kill yourself. See if it will turn over or if the solenoid isn't pushing it far enough in. Some people smack their hammer with a starter to see if it's bad and then try to start it again, if it works you know it was bad.

I personally bought an upgraded 0000 or 4/0 AWG gauge cable premade with silicone insulation that now sits between the starter and the battery for like $25 off ebay. The OEM one is like 1 or 0 AWG, can't remember, not great for passing through so many amps (150% on start and then 100% at about what 1.6 or 1.8kW). starter performance increased immensly.

In terms of starting the car, I know the ring sensor in the key slot can go bad, starter can go bad, and a few other things, but start simple and work your way out from there.
 
#5 ·
I bit the bullet and took the starter out. The short cable between the solenoid and the starter motor corroded away so there was no connection. It looks like the power is routed through the solenoid to the starter motor so I don't think the motor was turning when I tried to start the car. I'm not sure about the sounds I was hearing when I tried to start it - there was a humming that I believe is a vacuum pump as Jirv0id mentioned but there was also a whirring that sounded like it was coming from the passenger side of the engine. At any rate, I'm debating whether I should get a rebuilt starter or find a suitable cable to connect the solenoid to the starter and try to solder it to the nub that remains on the motor. The car has 217k miles so maybe it's time to replace the starter?
 
#6 ·
I know I am resurrecting an old thread but It was helpful in diagnosing my No Crank / No Start problem. My V50 T5 M66 suddenly wouldn't crank. VIDA/DICE showed no codes and there were no other symptoms. When I turned the key to III there was just a single click of a relay. I checked and charged the battery. Initially I thought it might be related to the clutch switch since I had the clutch master cylinder replaced and was having issues with a leaky line. That checked out OK. I disconnected the battery and reseated all the CEM and ECU connectors and tried again but still no joy.

After reading this thread ... could it simply be the starter? I checked battery voltages at the starter. Then I checked the voltage of the solenoid control wire while I durned the key. The voltage went to 12V when the key was in position III. Bingo! The starter was the fault with out prior warning. I then did the old mechanic's trick of tapping the solenoid with a hammer, turned the key... it cranked and started.

Now I am waiting for my replacement starter to arrive from FCP Euro. It seems that these starters are getting harder to find.
 
#8 ·
I got my replacement starter today and installed it. All is good. I had to laugh at the sticker on the new starter since that is how I got the old one to work.
 

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