[Seti]

From what I have been reading, I could take or leave the Android Infotainment - not a factor.

As for the hybrid battery, the replacement battery cost of $10K is an estimate based on parts pricing - not on an incentivized replacement program which may or may not happen.

From my personal experience and overall satisfaction, my MY16 T8 is a heck of a vehicle and I do not necessarily need to buy new although I prefer new.

Even at $8K, the battery replacement cost would be far less than my current accelerated depreciation based on my resale/trade value + first year depreciation on a new car at least PHEV.

Anyway, I will seriously look at the equivalent XC90 BEV (or maybe the XC60 BEV later) before making a decision on a replacement hybrid battery. An upgraded MY22 CPO could even be an option.

The point is an extended range battery for MY16 T8 would be quite enticing. Hopefully, we will all have good options to ponder. YMMV. [emoji6]

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Agreed. If I could, I would too.

Recently, I tried enquiring about selling my car through an independent fleet reseller and I was offered 40% of its original purchase price.

Fixing major items for $10K to extend its life to 15 years at most, may be a viable option, unless the XC100 is too enticing and Volvo willing to come to the party with a good trade in.

The car in all other areas, is still new and worth keeping if possible.

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[rpm92109]

Enjoyed a lot the news yesterday, wondering if I would cancel the early MY22 XC90 I ordered before the rumour came up.

The bump in size would make my commute 100% electric in summer probably.....

But 3rd layer of cells means more challenging cooling of the battery
And new ERAD means high risk of ERAD failures as in 2016-17, especially on the heaviest car of the line-up

So, as per my own rule, I won't buy the first model year of production of this setup.
Especially in a turbulent supply time where you never know when your vehicle will be able to be produced and shipped.....a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

So, it will be probably a pass for me.

 

[Seti]

There are indeed pros and cons of early adoption vs late.

As we've seen, early adopters get given lots of goodies earlier on as standard offerings, whereas later models may enjoy better refinement of components, they lose out on bundled freebies that now become extra cost items, if not total discontinuation

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[JG2]

Finnaly. Well done Volvo

 

[Keith22]

From what I have been reading, I could take or leave the Android Infotainment - not a factor.

As for the hybrid battery, the replacement battery cost of $10K is an estimate based on parts pricing - not on an incentivized replacement program which may or may not happen.

From my personal experience and overall satisfaction, my MY16 T8 is a heck of a vehicle and I do not necessarily need to buy new although I prefer new.

Even at $8K, the battery replacement cost would be far less than my current accelerated depreciation based on my resale/trade value + first year depreciation on a new car at least PHEV.

Anyway, I will seriously look at the equivalent XC90 BEV (or maybe the XC60 BEV later) before making a decision on a replacement hybrid battery. An upgraded MY22 CPO could even be an option.

The point is an extended range battery for MY16 T8 would be quite enticing. Hopefully, we will all have good options to ponder. YMMV. [emoji6]

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Do you know what is the industries depreciation per year for our car?

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[Gary-16-Xc90]

Do you know what is the industries depreciation per year for our car?

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I do not know what the depreciation rate is for the T8.

I do not depreciate for business purposes as this is my personal use car.

I am simple - where I compare what I originally paid (less taxes and registration) v. my estimated re-sale / trade-in value. If and when I incur non-warranty repair expenses, I will keep those expenses in a separate bucket to keep a running asset cost.)

Here is a link to a purported depreciation model for Volvo Cars that I quickly ran across. I have not evaluated it but here is one perspective: Volvo Depreciation

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[T8 or not T8]

If I got this car next year I’d want to trade it in the year after for the xc100.. which would be fine if my state reimbursed for sales tax on trade ins… they don’t so it stings too much. Volvo says the plug ins are a way to get people comfortable enough with electric so we go all electric and I’m already there after a few months in a T8. I just need a big car that is all electric.

 

[northcar]

If I got this car next year I'd want to trade it in the year after for the xc100.. which would be fine if my state reimbursed for sales tax on trade ins… they don't so it stings too much. Volvo says the plug ins are a way to get people comfortable enough with electric so we go all electric and I'm already there after a few months in a T8. I just need a big car that is all electric.

The "XC100" certainly remains a mystery. Hinted at but yet to be confirmed. I guess all we know for sure is that the XC90 all electric replacement will be built in the U.S. and will not be named the XC90. Whether that yet to be named replacement for the XC90 is in fact the XC100 seems up in the air, but it has been suggested that the two will be completely different vehicles, correct?

 

[Gary-16-Xc90]

The "XC100" certainly remains a mystery. Hinted at but yet to be confirmed. I guess all we know for sure is that the XC90 all electric replacement will be built in the U.S. and will not be named the XC90. Whether that yet to be named replacement for the XC90 is in fact the XC100 seems up in the air, but it has been suggested that the two will be completely different vehicles, correct?

I surely hope so that there will be two different vehicles in that class.

When the dust settles, I hope there are five BEV sizes - equivalent to 20, 40, 60, 90 and [100]. I still prefer the PHEV powertrain if the EV range can get close to 30 miles in winter driving (i.e., average low of -12° C / 10° F).

Because of aerodynamics, efficiencies, et al, the concept cars look to become sleeker, lower in profile, and maybe more wagon'ish. I could likely adapt to the "V" model although my wife will weigh in on that eventual decision.[emoji120][emoji28]

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[FusionRedXC60]

Full size SUV, aka 100 series, are well welcomed in US and also China, just not in Europe. While P*3 will be similar size of XC90, a longer Volvo version is probably helpful for sales. Will be interesting to see how these two play together.

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[Icerunner]

We just ordered a new xc90, now called 'XC90 T8 long range'. Our early-MY2017 (november 2016) was €94k, and will be bought back for €40k in january '22, upon delivery (162k km / 100k miles). We' ve got a loyal-customer coupon to get a chance at the first production spots for the new XC90 in 2023. Yes, they still dub it as xc90, so I guess it won't be the XC100 (probably no real market for that one too, in the Netherlands...). Furthermore they state that the new XC90, expected for delivery in summer '23, will only be available as full electric. So our yet to come MY2022 T8 might be the last of the Mohicans... 😮😄

 

[T8 or not T8]

We just ordered a new xc90, now called 'XC90 T8 long range'. Our early-MY2017 (november 2016) was €94k, and will be bought back for €40k in january '22, upon delivery (162k km / 100k miles). We' ve got a loyal-customer coupon to get a chance at the first production spots for the new XC90 in 2023. Yes, they still dub it as xc90, so I guess it won't be the XC100 (probably no real market for that one too, in the Netherlands...). Furthermore they state that the new XC90, expected for delivery in summer '23, will only be available as full electric. So our yet to come MY2022 T8 might be the last of the Mohicans... [emoji50][emoji1]

All else equal (it usually isn't) I'd love an all electric xc90 because they would be so fun to drive. But I don't know that is trade in the T8 for the same amount of space, especially considering that you give up the petrol option which is helpful for families on the road. Additional space like a Tahoe would put me over the edge for a trade in. Cheers

 

[Gary-16-Xc90]

We' ve got a loyal-customer coupon to get a chance at the first production spots for the new XC90 in 2023.

Off topic a bit, but:

I was thinking today that it would be really, really appreciated if Volvo Cars Corporate (and in my case Volvo Cars US) would offer a sizable incentive for us SPA MY16/MY17 pioneers who still own them.

A standard [$1,000] loyal customer promotion just does not seem to acknowledge those of us on the leading/bleeding edge of first year production. Maybe that and a chance at a first year production slot would be enticing enough for me and others to jump to the equivalent XC90 BEV considering the accelerated depreciation (e.g., caused in part by by the $20K USD XC90 Excellence Volvo discount). Many of us still remember that episode - great for some and not for most. A kindhearted Volvo Marketing could help us forget that. (No sour grapes [emoji524] but just saying &#8230.

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[Icerunner]

I actually got quite that incentive: an extra trade-in value of €4850, and a coupon for €5000 in accessories (also usable to lower the price). I got it sent in thru the post, big A4-sized named coupons, with an accompanying letter explaining the details and the reason.

 

[likeXC90]

We just ordered a new xc90, now called 'XC90 T8 long range'. Our early-MY2017 (november 2016) was €94k, and will be bought back for €40k in january '22, upon delivery (162k km / 100k miles). We' ve got a loyal-customer coupon to get a chance at the first production spots for the new XC90 in 2023. Yes, they still dub it as xc90, so I guess it won't be the XC100 (probably no real market for that one too, in the Netherlands...). Furthermore they state that the new XC90, expected for delivery in summer '23, will only be available as full electric. So our yet to come MY2022 T8 might be the last of the Mohicans... [emoji50][emoji1]

I really wish Volvo would clearly outline their PHEV/BEV development plans for consumers so we can plan our purchases. Granted, COVID has completely messed up development timelines but nowhere have I read about a T8 Long Range option.

For example, this PHEV T8 Long Range (18.8kW) battery option is what I would have aimed for had I known this back in 2017/2018. Also, if I want to avoid being the first year T8 Long Range guinea pig, when is the last T8 Long Range production year? And just when exactly is the "Hi-I'm-Thor-not-XC90-Anymore" replacement?

Volvo, can you please do a better job on sharing dates on PHEV/BEV development plans? (ie let someone from manufacturing communicate the dates and not accursed Marketing!)

 

[FusionRedXC60]

Battery technology has been evolving and fuel saving requirements were also changed in European countries. I don't see Volvo would predict time line for battery upgrade back in 2018.

And now they are pushing EVs, so no more MY2023 XC90 or Recharge. This is the cut, clear, from Henric.

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[Seti]

If T8 battery range were to be 200Km, I wonder how big a battery that would be. And I wonder if it would not be viable to offer an extended XC90 version of up to 5m as a long wheel base option, so it can accommodate such a battery.

Since I don't have a spare wheel, I'd sacrifice the little storage left under the boot floor just to get a battery capable of 200Km range while retaining ICE with 70L fuel tank.

Pure electric for someone driving long distances of 3400Km round trip 4 times a year won't cut it because 30 minutes to an hour waiting for a charge won't be good, more so when more cars start using those public charging slots.

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[FusionRedXC60]

If T8 battery range were to be 200Km, I wonder how big a battery that would be. And I wonder if it would not be viable to offer an extended XC90 version of up to 5m as a long wheel base option, so it can accommodate such a battery.

Since I don't have a spare wheel, I'd sacrifice the little storage left under the boot floor just to get a battery capable of 200Km range while retaining ICE with 70L fuel tank.

Pure electric for someone driving long distances of 3400Km round trip 4 times a year won't cut it because 30 minutes to an hour waiting for a charge won't be good, more so when more cars start using those public charging slots.

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For the two goals of long battery range and convenience, I can only see one option: range extender, which packs more battery and uses no bulky transmission. However Volvo is pushing on EV only and unlikely to offer a range extender.

A variation of range extender could also be made so that ICE drives front axle for 40mph speed and above. This is the best hybrid solution. Unfortunately only BYD in China is making such cars. American are not very interested in PHEV in general.

 

[T8 or not T8]

With the way things are going, I have zero confidence in automotive delivery timelines. All it takes is one press release about chip shortages and then you’re into the next calendar year for your car. I don’t expect the new xc90 aka xc100 to hit until 2024. That’s what my dealer told me and it makes sense due to common delays.

 

[VolvoCPA]

There was an article in the WSJ written by Dan Neil last week referencing the Volvo PHEV; the study was from last year; here's a link:

Plug-in hybrids in new emissions scandal as tests show higher pollution than claimed - Transport & Environment

Sales of plug-in hybrid vehicles are skyrocketing in Europe, but tests on the newest models confirm they pollute the climate far more than carmakers claim – even when starting with a full battery.

www.transportenvironment.org

His more current piece referencing this report further stated that additional studies indicate that:
"PHEVs may yet have a bigger problem: NOX, or nitrous oxide. PHEVs' excessive NOX emissions during full-power cold starts, as when an IC engine kicks on after a period of electric driving. One probable explanation: Emission-scrubbing catalytic converters in exhaust systems only work after they are well heated by the exhaust stream, typically requiring 20 seconds or so. It's most cars' dirtiest seconds; PHEVs often spend them with wide-open throttles."

This is all very troubling if true, but it certainly reinforces that a bigger capacity battery makes the PHEV much more capable of being used in electric only (PURE) mode.