It matches the more powerful 145HP ERAD. But looks like technically it is not hard to retrofit if they are willing to. Maybe some software to tune but the battery pack dimension is the same. Best wish is after current battery dies within 8 years warranty, they can replace it with new capacity. It makes sense for them as they don't want to keep stock of old battery for 8 years for sure.

 

Where did you see a reference to a 18.8 kWh battery? That would essentially increase our range to around 30 miles. That would certainly be nice. It would not be retrofitted as the size constraints would negate that.

 

Same size? Really? Wow.

 

It doesn't say exactly same. "A third layer of cells" is added but the battery pack is still in center tunnel.

https://www.media.volvocars.com/uk/en-gb/media/pressreleases/285875/volvo-cars-new-recharge-plug-in-hybrid-powertrain-outperforms-average-daily-mileage-on-a-single-char

The main improvements include a new long-range battery, featuring a third layer of cells to increase nominal energy from 11.6kWh to 18.8kWh, and a more powerful rear electric motor now delivering 145hp.

 

Very nice. Wish I had the bigger battery vs the MY21!! Nice to see the update for future owners. More horsepower is good too tho i would take the higher battery storage instead of the higher hp motor if I had to choose.

Do we know the % cost increase for MY22?

 

Looks like UK only though?

 

We see UK, Finland, Sweden reports. Hope no surprise for USA.

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If it fits your needs, it is not bad to trade to the new model. I bet 145HP is much sweeter too.

 

It is sweeter indeed, but I'd rather have faster charging (>>3.3kW) than the extra rear HP. Are you listening Volvo? [emoji6]

(Alas, higher currents means different wiring and hardware so this is a no-go from the start unless Volvo designed older models for this higher capacity / ratings . . .)

 

If that larger battery [emoji367] will be a "replacement" option for MY16 XC90 T8, I would seriously consider it in the name of preserving the environment, landfill, et al.

My T8 looks and runs better than new. There will be some maintenance risks, but, hey, I am self-insured if I factor in even a 1/4 of my accelerated depreciation.

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What about $10k for the new battery? I would pay $2k for Android infotainment and they don't want my money.

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335 kW before polestar.. 😎

 

335 kW before polestar.. [emoji41]

Means 350Kw with P*

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This is a very nice upgrade. I just got my 2022 V60 T6 Recharge and would have waited for this upgrade if I knew it was coming.
Looking at the Volvo Denmark site I can see the 455hp T8 which makes sense with 310hp petrol + 145hp ERAD.
What looks a bit strange is the T6, which is now 350hp, would have expected around 400hp (253+145). Does this mean that the T6 Recharge is now coming with smaller 200hp petrol engine?

 

The Volvo press release says "The additional electric power results in a total combined output of 350hp for Recharge T6 and 455hp for Recharge T8 models..."

What exactly is a Recharge T6 (isn't there only a T8 recharge) at least in the US, so maybe its a European thing?

So sounds like Volvo has two PHEV platforms??

 

The T6 Recharge is probably a European thing. It is identical to the T8 except for the petrol engine being 253hp instead of 313hp.
I now found info on the Volvo Denmark site with a 398hp (253+145) T6 Recharge. Will have to wait and see what is right.

 

Enjoyed a lot the news yesterday, wondering if I would cancel the early MY22 XC90 I ordered before the rumour came up.

The bump in size would make my commute 100% electric in summer probably.....

But 3rd layer of cells means more challenging cooling of the battery
And new ERAD means high risk of ERAD failures as in 2016-17, especially on the heaviest car of the line-up

So, as per my own rule, I won't buy the first model year of production of this setup.
Especially in a turbulent supply time where you never know when your vehicle will be able to be produced and shipped.....a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

So, it will be probably a pass for me.

 

There are indeed pros and cons of early adoption vs late.

As we've seen, early adopters get given lots of goodies earlier on as standard offerings, whereas later models may enjoy better refinement of components, they lose out on bundled freebies that now become extra cost items, if not total discontinuation

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Finnaly. Well done Volvo

 

If I got this car next year I’d want to trade it in the year after for the xc100.. which would be fine if my state reimbursed for sales tax on trade ins… they don’t so it stings too much. Volvo says the plug ins are a way to get people comfortable enough with electric so we go all electric and I’m already there after a few months in a T8. I just need a big car that is all electric.

 

If I got this car next year I'd want to trade it in the year after for the xc100.. which would be fine if my state reimbursed for sales tax on trade ins… they don't so it stings too much. Volvo says the plug ins are a way to get people comfortable enough with electric so we go all electric and I'm already there after a few months in a T8. I just need a big car that is all electric.

The "XC100" certainly remains a mystery. Hinted at but yet to be confirmed. I guess all we know for sure is that the XC90 all electric replacement will be built in the U.S. and will not be named the XC90. Whether that yet to be named replacement for the XC90 is in fact the XC100 seems up in the air, but it has been suggested that the two will be completely different vehicles, correct?

 

Full size SUV, aka 100 series, are well welcomed in US and also China, just not in Europe. While P*3 will be similar size of XC90, a longer Volvo version is probably helpful for sales. Will be interesting to see how these two play together.

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We just ordered a new xc90, now called 'XC90 T8 long range'. Our early-MY2017 (november 2016) was €94k, and will be bought back for €40k in january '22, upon delivery (162k km / 100k miles). We' ve got a loyal-customer coupon to get a chance at the first production spots for the new XC90 in 2023. Yes, they still dub it as xc90, so I guess it won't be the XC100 (probably no real market for that one too, in the Netherlands...). Furthermore they state that the new XC90, expected for delivery in summer '23, will only be available as full electric. So our yet to come MY2022 T8 might be the last of the Mohicans... 😮😄

 

We just ordered a new xc90, now called 'XC90 T8 long range'. Our early-MY2017 (november 2016) was €94k, and will be bought back for €40k in january '22, upon delivery (162k km / 100k miles). We' ve got a loyal-customer coupon to get a chance at the first production spots for the new XC90 in 2023. Yes, they still dub it as xc90, so I guess it won't be the XC100 (probably no real market for that one too, in the Netherlands...). Furthermore they state that the new XC90, expected for delivery in summer '23, will only be available as full electric. So our yet to come MY2022 T8 might be the last of the Mohicans... [emoji50][emoji1]

All else equal (it usually isn't) I'd love an all electric xc90 because they would be so fun to drive. But I don't know that is trade in the T8 for the same amount of space, especially considering that you give up the petrol option which is helpful for families on the road. Additional space like a Tahoe would put me over the edge for a trade in. Cheers

 

I actually got quite that incentive: an extra trade-in value of €4850, and a coupon for €5000 in accessories (also usable to lower the price). I got it sent in thru the post, big A4-sized named coupons, with an accompanying letter explaining the details and the reason.

 

Battery technology has been evolving and fuel saving requirements were also changed in European countries. I don't see Volvo would predict time line for battery upgrade back in 2018.

And now they are pushing EVs, so no more MY2023 XC90 or Recharge. This is the cut, clear, from Henric.

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Battery technology has been evolving and fuel saving requirements were also changed in European countries. I don't see Volvo would predict time line for battery upgrade back in 2018.

And now they are pushing EVs, so no more MY2023 XC90 or Recharge. This is the cut, clear, from Henric.

I'm involved in the automotive supply chain so design and release of hardware doesn't happen overnight but is a "dance" very, very tightly coordinated with suppliers planning ahead for 3-5 years - engineering, sourcing, manufacturing, testing, shipping, etc don't happen overnight. Marketing looks forward even longer to assess consumer trends and possible government regulations (which also are years in the making together with industry collaboration) so the organization can decide where to throw their money.

Volvo definitely knew back in 2018 (and more likely much earlier like when SPA was being developed!) but simply chose not to tell us about the T8 Long Range until the very last minute - three months (ie November release) in the automotive product release world is equivalent to shipping finished product to final destinations.

 

If T8 battery range were to be 200Km, I wonder how big a battery that would be. And I wonder if it would not be viable to offer an extended XC90 version of up to 5m as a long wheel base option, so it can accommodate such a battery.

Since I don't have a spare wheel, I'd sacrifice the little storage left under the boot floor just to get a battery capable of 200Km range while retaining ICE with 70L fuel tank.

Pure electric for someone driving long distances of 3400Km round trip 4 times a year won't cut it because 30 minutes to an hour waiting for a charge won't be good, more so when more cars start using those public charging slots.

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For the two goals of long battery range and convenience, I can only see one option: range extender, which packs more battery and uses no bulky transmission. However Volvo is pushing on EV only and unlikely to offer a range extender.

A variation of range extender could also be made so that ICE drives front axle for 40mph speed and above. This is the best hybrid solution. Unfortunately only BYD in China is making such cars. American are not very interested in PHEV in general.

 

With the way things are going, I have zero confidence in automotive delivery timelines. All it takes is one press release about chip shortages and then you’re into the next calendar year for your car. I don’t expect the new xc90 aka xc100 to hit until 2024. That’s what my dealer told me and it makes sense due to common delays.

 

There was an article in the WSJ written by Dan Neil last week referencing the Volvo PHEV; the study was from last year; here's a link:

Plug-in hybrids in new emissions scandal as tests show higher pollution than claimed - Transport & Environment

Sales of plug-in hybrid vehicles are skyrocketing in Europe, but tests on the newest models confirm they pollute the climate far more than carmakers claim – even when starting with a full battery.

www.transportenvironment.org

His more current piece referencing this report further stated that additional studies indicate that:
"PHEVs may yet have a bigger problem: NOX, or nitrous oxide. PHEVs' excessive NOX emissions during full-power cold starts, as when an IC engine kicks on after a period of electric driving. One probable explanation: Emission-scrubbing catalytic converters in exhaust systems only work after they are well heated by the exhaust stream, typically requiring 20 seconds or so. It's most cars' dirtiest seconds; PHEVs often spend them with wide-open throttles."

This is all very troubling if true, but it certainly reinforces that a bigger capacity battery makes the PHEV much more capable of being used in electric only (PURE) mode.

 

For some part yes they knew. They surely knew ERAD of higher than 87HP was possible in 2018. But for battery density they probably don't know. Unless they use same battery cell now as 2016 and preserved some space inside the battery pack in 2016. Battery factory may have told them density will improve to how much in 2 years, but those are only projection, and could be delayed by many unexpected factors.

 

The likelihood they knew is very high as it would be unlikely they aren't actively engaged with their supplier on development of components to meet their target /benchmark goals and specs just as @likeXC90 described. If they aren't then they would be having a horrible time envisioning, designing, and manufacturing any of their products.Plus it seems Volvo had not only hinted but tried to release an interim improvement in ERAD spec to about 100hp for the 2020 MY but quickly took that announcement down. I had linked it from Volvo’s site back then and not long after couldn’t find it again.

From experience, they should be investing in development of their products and it includes developing components by their suppliers. It's not unlike when you read how Apple, Google, or Microsoft have invested in x supplier. Or, like when BMW invested €2B in Northvolt for battery technology. What that really means is they've put money up front to accelerate or guide development and secure a guaranteed supply with committed volumes on a schedule. And often times it's to also signal (marketing) that they've got a cool new product in the works (without revealing the timeline to the public). Just like when Volvo also announced in the last couple of years that they invested in Luminar for LiDAR dev. They can't be in a position of "waiting" to then rapidly release an upgraded product if and when a technology becomes available. Any product planning includes supplier alignment with your NPI roadmap.

 

The prototype of higher powered ERAD 2 was announced years ago. Volvo even tested it in the XC90. If I remember correctly it has a gearbox inside allowing higher electric only max speed.

EDIT
Here is the link: GNK eTwinster X.

 

Great find. I wonder how it will do re: reliability? Will it explode?

 

Back to the original topic - I don't think it will be an easy plug and play battery swap for earlier T8 model years. For one, new battery has to be coupled with the new ERAD. Two, even if battery and ERAD sizing is identical, there are likely different cooling requirements for the higher density battery. And finally third, electronics would need to be updated, both software and hardware modules running the whole set up.

I would consider paying $5K to $7K if such upgrade was possible, but it would likely be at least double that, if Volvo offers it at all. Fun to discuss here, but not gonna happen in practice

 

I'm curious: what do you get in all-electric range with your 2016 PHEV?
Given that the new Volvo PHEVs with 18.8-kWh battery packs won't be out til MY2023, mostly likely (i.e., a year from now at the earliest), I'd think it much more logical for you to just trade in your 2016 vehicle for a new one then, at which point it'll be 7 years difference in model years. I can't imagine people hanging on to any PHEV for a full decade or longer and hoping for a battery-pack replacement, when battery packs are going to increase in capacity regularly for the forseeable future (and all new Volvos will be BEVs a decade from now, anyway). At some point, any vehicle with an ICE in it is going to depreciate like a rock, and it'll become harder and harder to find mechanics who can fix them (let alone find parts for them). So I'm looking to buy a PHEV as a bridge to my first BEV, but I'm not thinking I'd keep any PHEV longer than 4-5 years, max; they aren't like old non-plugin ICEVs.

 

Hello all,

So I have an order for a MY22 that's supposedly coming in a few weeks. Should I just wait for the new battery pack? To be able to have pre-conditioning without being plugged in AND one foot driving is pretty sweet. My question is, because of the more powerful ERAD and larger battery, does that translate into a much higher price tag? Like, this is going to be a "T10" for the long range model?