[FusionRedXC60]

I actually have other thoughts about the new key fob. I often need to unlock/lock car from several yard away for kids to get in/out. Old keyless remote I don't need to take it out from pocket. I just feel the lock/unlock button with finger and press it. For the new fob, this is new challenge. Will see how it works for me.

Also to protect the fine soft leather surface, I'll have to add a soft bag or replace the shell on it. I ordered one of each kind, will see which one is easier to use. I guess wife will like the soft bag, I'll like the replacement shell, claimed to be carbon fiber surface, because I want it smaller to put in pocket. There is also walnut wood version but much more expensive.

I also wish it is thinner. I can put two cellphones in one pocket, but not a cellphone and the key fob. I don't see the advantage of buttons on side instead of front of fob. Even so, cellphones are so thin and also have buttons on side.

It is not a complain but matter of design ideas, that Swedish are proud of.

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[Nickshu]

If someone wants to steal your car, or stuff from it, they will find away no matter what car you have. Why worry? Enjoy the convenience, this is why you pay for insurance.

Exactly what I was thinking. If someone wants to break in to your car or steal your car bad enough they are going to figure out a way to do it regardless. I'd rather have them use an RF cracker than a crowbar.

 

[Snafu]

After a few feet you are fine. Although, I will say when I am washing cars (any of mine) with the proximity sensor, I end up locking/unlocking the doors multiple times with just the stream of water from a few feet away. So now, I have to go put the key on the tool bench after I pull the car out to avoid it. The tool bench is like 10 feet away and out in the open, so I don't think it will go more than that and through doors.

 

[FusionRedXC60]

After a few feet you are fine. Although, I will say when I am washing cars (any of mine) with the proximity sensor, I end up locking/unlocking the doors multiple times with just the stream of water from a few feet away. So now, I have to go put the key on the tool bench after I pull the car out to avoid it. The tool bench is like 10 feet away and out in the open, so I don't think it will go more than that and through doors.

Good to know. Yet another nuance, need to bing a piece of aluminum foil to manual car wash.

 

[Mikey54]

Good to know. Yet another nuance, need to bing a piece of aluminum foil to manual car wash.

Just snip a piece off the tin foil hat.

 

[ND40oz]

Exactly what I was thinking. If someone wants to break in to your car or steal your car bad enough they are going to figure out a way to do it regardless. I'd rather have them use an RF cracker than a crowbar.

It be better if they used a crowbar, at least the alarm would go off and either scare them off or you would have a chance to stop them. It really sucks coming out to your vehicle in the morning, finding the door slightly ajar and thieves managed to steal the entire dash. At least Volvo parts don't seem to be in high demand but the €12,000 in parts they removed from my 328d in a span of about 5 minutes was pretty shocking.

Good to know. Yet another nuance, need to bing a piece of aluminum foil to manual car wash.

You can leave the key in the car, learned that the hard way at the manual car wash when I accidentally triggered the kick sensor for the hatch. Luckily I didn't spray any water inside the vehicle.

 

[OlRedHair]

What is an RF shield?


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[Paradox]

What is an RF shield?

Nora in Florida
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They sell pouches/bags etc that you put an electronic device in and it blocks rf signals from entering/leaving the pouch/bag. examples on Amazon.com

 

[phillipu]

What is an RF shield?

Nora in Florida
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Radio Frequency shield. Some are referred to as Faraday shield or Faraday cages which are containers designed to block RF transmissions and would effectively disable your key fobs from being detected by your vehicle. Most simple version of such a shield is basic aluminum foil. Wrap it completely around a wireless key fob, contactless payment card, toll meter or other such devices and they'll be invisible to the detecting device. This is why such items are sometimes mailed wrapped in foil or in foil-lined envelopes. Some pouches and wallets are made with such shielding if you want something more durable and fashionable.

 

[OlRedHair]

Thank you both very much!


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[Slartibartphast]

As far fetched as it sounds, there are thieves that steal car contents this way.
What they do is set up a repeater by putting a device near your car and one near your house, which sends your key as if it were next to the car.
Now you'd have to be in a target area but this is real tech sold and used. The solution (untile manufactueres find a way to thwart it) would be a mesh bag or metal drawer etc.
https://www.wired.com/2017/04/just-pair-11-radio-gadgets-can-steal-car/

 

[FusionRedXC60]

As far fetched as it sounds, there are thieves that steal car contents this way.
What they do is set up a repeater by putting a device near your car and one near your house, which sends your key as if it were next to the car.
Now you'd have to be in a target area but this is real tech sold and used. The solution (untile manufactueres find a way to thwart it) would be a mesh bag or metal drawer etc.
https://www.wired.com/2017/04/just-pair-11-radio-gadgets-can-steal-car/

D..., thieves are all paranoids.

 

[gerrit]

For anyone that's interested, I strongly recommend watching the video of this presentation -- "Drive It Like You Hacked It." I was there in person for it, and it's a great (and technical) view of how these things are accomplished.

https://samy.pl/defcon2015/

 

[gunshow]

1. I parked the car in my garage, locked it. I went inside with my key fob, thought the car is safe now.
However I didn't close my garage door, for whatever reason. Since my key fob in house is probably still within range, someone can just enter my garage, touch the inner side of door handle and unlock the car, and mess up with the stuff in it.

2. I parked my car in office building, locked it and walked away toward passenger side. Before I walked out of the range, someone can sneak to side of driver door, touch inner side of door handle and unlock it, and mess up with the stuff in it.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Go to the passenger side of the vehicle with the key in your hand and have a friend try to open the driver door. All of your concerns have been fixed with this simple test.

 

[Brutus99]

When I read these types of posts, I can only imagine OP used to drive this before the XC90:

:facepalm:

Lmao 😂😂

 

[amd2800barton]

Seriously, Keyless entry has been around for a long time and is available with basically every manufacturer and every new car these days. It's definitely more secure compared to a kid with a screwdriver and hairpin. Yes it can be hacked, but so could a basic key. If someone can get to your car, they can steal it. You're far more likely to have a shady tow truck driver steal your car than to have the crew from Gone in 60 Seconds show up at your house to steal a Volvo.