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IPD Boost Gauge install using side passenger vent........ 07 R

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Okay so to piggy back off of Blurry's recent thread, I installed the IPD R gauge with (Brian) Bpray9223's side vent gauge pod. Hats off the Brian, the quality of his product was top notch and I was very pleased with it!! However as I found this out the hard way if you are going to use the IPD gauge with this Pod beware… Depending on where the fittings are placed , you will not be able to slide the gauge all the way into the housing since the fittings touch the side of the inner piping (as on mine).

Brian was telling me he has installed some IPD gauges with his pod and had to trim the inner vent flap (pictured) for it to fit. The fittings sat differently on mine so I worked. If I turned the IPD a quarter turn to the right it would have slid in all the way.. So I had to hack the hell out of it to fit (pictures below) to get it to work. I later stuffed weather stripping around the holes and the fittings to keep everything nice. I can still feel the Air come through the vents so I know its good.

The install was a bit more worrisome than I expected it to be but I finally got it.. If you have an 07 R the side fuse panel as you saw in Lucky's Vid is useless.. all the fuses were hot. I had to tap into the Fuse 10 below the steering column and used a "add a fuse" with a 7.5 volt fuse for the accessory light for he IPD gauge. I didn't feel like hacking up any wires so I went this way..

Over all the boost gauge is working fine, everything lights up (finally). I'm peaking about 15-16 PSI but it holds steady at 15 Lbs when I'm WOT for a long period of time. Hitting advanced mode and romping on the throttle I saw it hit 17 lbs.. Pretty crazy! I'm running the MTE Stage 2 and IPD down pipe. So after a few runs and listened for any leaks nothing was found and everything checked out fine.

So here are the pics…

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boost guage and brians vent pod

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Hacking it up with a dremel once i figured out the hard way it would fit all the way.

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rear view..

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All put together..

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Installed into dash.

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Adapter used to tap into the fuse pannel under the steering wheel above pedals.

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Tapped into fuse 10, cig lighter, using 7.5 fuse for IPD light

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Finished Product

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All gauges!

Bottom line if you have an 07 R you are going to want to do this method if you dont feel like hacking into any wires.. If you dont feel like hacking and cutting the pod, sitck with the IPD dash pod...

Happy Motoring!

Evan
 
#3 ·
Re: IPD Boost Gauge install using side passenger vent........ 07 R (Token Blk Guy)

Quote, originally posted by Token Blk Guy »
Over all the boost gauge is working fine, everything lights up (finally). I'm peaking about 15-16 PSI but it holds steady at 15 Lbs when I'm WOT for a long period of time. Hitting advanced mode and romping on the throttle I saw it hit 17 lbs.. Pretty crazy! I'm running the MTE Stage 2 and IPD down pipe. So after a few runs and listened for any leaks nothing was found and everything checked out fine.


Your boost levels are very low. Those are basically what I saw on my stock tune (12-15 steady with spikes to 17-18). On my RICA stage 1 I'm seeing 18-19 steady with spikes to 23-24. Something is wrong with your setup.
 
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Re: IPD Boost Gauge install using side passenger vent........ 07 R (soupandspoons)

Looks good Evan http://********************/smile/emthup.gif (I hope to check it out on the 23rd
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I agree with soupandspoons your boost levels seem a bit low for an IPD tune.
 
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Re: IPD Boost Gauge install using side passenger vent........ 07 R (soupandspoons)

Quote, originally posted by soupandspoons »


Your boost levels are very low. Those are basically what I saw on my stock tune (12-15 steady with spikes to 17-18). On my RICA stage 1 I'm seeing 18-19 steady with spikes to 23-24. Something is wrong with your setup.


WTF????????????????????
Serioulsy???
Im wondering if my guage is then reading wrong since I got 2 massive freaking kinks in the line while i was trying to wire it through the fire wall and engine bay. I tried to straighen them out the best I could....
is this what could be causing it????

When im cruising on the hiway its reads -10 psi Is this normal??? I'm calling IPD real quick!

Edit: Called IPD My ecu may be running a stock tune since th dealer may heva reflased the computer when i took it it for service. Ill have to check the tune and reload it to see if that fixes the problem..
Or i May have developed a small hole where the lines kinked and that coud be causing false readings..
or..
Gas could also be the issue too...

But the guys there said I should be hitting 19 lbs with the stage 1 softloader upgrade..

Jesus...............

Modified by Token Blk Guy at 1:45 PM 1-15-2010
 
#6 ·
Re: IPD Boost Gauge install using side passenger vent........ 07 R (Token Blk Guy)

Nice setup http://********************/smile/emthup.gif .

I don't know if there is a difference between 04 and 07 regarding the vent tube/flap, but I didn't cut the vent flap at all and I can still close/open it (it's very close though). Also, I have painted boost gauge body to black to stop the light inside the vent tube that can be seen through the vent. I noticed this after I installed the gauge, so had to remove it, paint it and install it again.

I think something is wrong with your boost, either the dealer flashed over the stock map or the kinks you've mentioned are causing this. My MTE stage 2 boost is around 19-20psi with spikes to around 22. The -10 number you are referring to is vacuum and it's measured in inches of mercury (in Hg). That also should be lower number, closer to -20 than -10.
 
#7 ·
Re: IPD Boost Gauge install using side passenger vent........ 07 R (XeOn)

Quote, originally posted by XeOn »


I think something is wrong with your boost, either the dealer flashed over the stock map or the kinks you've mentioned are causing this. My MTE stage 2 boost is around 19-20psi with spikes to around 22. The -10 number you are referring to is vacuum and it's measured in inches of mercury (in Hg). That also should be lower number, closer to -20 than -10.

I think the -10 he was referring to was at cruising speed on the highway, so that is probably OK. If you look at the last photo that he posted, which I imagine was taken while idling, the gauge is reading approx. -20, which is also what I would expect to see at idle.

The kinks that were put in the vaccuum line during the install would usually manifest as a slow response in the gauge, i.e. a blip in the throttle either wouldn't register on the gauge or it would be delayed. Since he mentioned that the needle immediately jumps in response to throttle input, I wouldn't think that this is the cause, but it is definitely worth checking.

That's also a very good suggestion about re-flashing the car. http://********************/smile/emthup.gif

Cheers,

Jeff
 
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Re: IPD Boost Gauge install using side passenger vent........ 07 R (soupandspoons)

Yeah -10 I was referring to cruising on the hiway so that is normal…

So I'm starting to think the kinks may be giving me a false reading here is what I did….

Yesterday after getting off the phone with IPD I hooked up my softloader to the car and checked to see if the dealer reflashed it back to stock. They did not. It still read stage 2. So what I decided to do was to return the car back to stock and make a few runs to see what boost I was putting out.. After doing so and driving around I immediately noticed a difference in power the car didn't pull as hard as before. Looking at the gauge over 4 different runs I averaged around 10-12 PSI getting up to 14 psi after shifting but not really spiking past that. Overall holding at 11psi...
So I get home and re-flash the car back to the MTE stage 2 and go out for some more runs.. After 4 runs on the same road the gauge was reading 15-17 psi and spiking to 19-20 between shifts and getting back on the throttle and then levels out to 16…

Did a run this morning and it pretty much did the same thing

Sooo. Would it be safe to say this could be an issue? Are stock boost levels around 13-15 lbs of boost? If I'm getting +/6 with the IPD gauge after the re-flash back to stage 2 its safe to say that the tune is working?

Any input would be great. Ill forward this on to lucky to see what he thinks.

Also here is a pic of the "said kinks" that I straighten out the best I could..

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Re: IPD Boost Gauge install using side passenger vent........ 07 R (Token Blk Guy)

Those kinks look pookey, I'd replace the line for sure.

As for your boost pressure, the tune sounds like its working like it should. Once you get the kinks worked out (hehehehe pun intended) I bet you will be ok.
 
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Re: IPD Boost Gauge install using side passenger vent........ 07 R (850arrrsaylikepirate)

LOL funny Joe!!

Well IPD doesnt carry the line as an extra it only comes with the kit. So anyone know where i could get a replacement..

Or Does anyone know where i could get a fitter that i can cut the vacum line and slide the two ends into, like the end of the fitting that goes into the T connector?

I know the stage two uograde works you can tell its night and day.. Those kinks are driving me crazy would it really cause it to drop 5-6 lbs in readings. I mean the air cant be affected that much???
 
#11 ·
Looks great, you just saved me a lot of work (I was trying to do the electrical part of this last night). I suppose you've got totally different stores than me but where did you get the multi-fuse tap?

From an electrical engineer's point of view I'd probably lower the fuse value for the lamp quite a bit. I can't imagine that LED drawing more than an amp so a 1.5 fuse would be "safer" (suck less current through whatever you've shorted out on), but then again, it'll probably never cause you a problem.

Seeing as it seems like it's below freezing 80% of the year here (and REALLY cold 50% of it) I can't do without that vent so it's dash pod for me..
 
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Re: (evilspoons)

Quote, originally posted by evilspoons »
Looks great, you just saved me a lot of work (I was trying to do the electrical part of this last night). I suppose you've got totally different stores than me but where did you get the multi-fuse tap?

From an electrical engineer's point of view I'd probably lower the fuse value for the lamp quite a bit. I can't imagine that LED drawing more than an amp so a 1.5 fuse would be "safer" (suck less current through whatever you've shorted out on), but then again, it'll probably never cause you a problem.

Seeing as it seems like it's below freezing 80% of the year here (and REALLY cold 50% of it) I can't do without that vent so it's dash pod for me..

Actually the Vent pod still works for me, hot and cold air still come through it it may not be as much as if it was open but it still works fine for me.

Ill take your word on the fuse. It comes with like 5 fuses so i figured the 7.5 would be sufficent since I was putting it in a 15 amp fuse socket. Ill replace it with a lower one.

The add a fuse you can get at pepboys ( im sure you have one of those around you). Its from "Littlefuse" part number OFHM0200ZP for $9.49. it also has a sup. part number of FHM200BP.

Im thinking of just sourcing some silicone hose and replacing the vacum hose along with the fittings and see if that fixes my gauge problem.. I deal with that next weekend i had enough of messing this this car for this week!
 
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Re: (Token Blk Guy)

Quote, originally posted by Token Blk Guy »


Im thinking of just sourcing some silicone hose and replacing the vacum hose along with the fittings and see if that fixes my gauge problem.. I deal with that next weekend i had enough of messing this this car for this week!

You can get the same (as IPD's) line from Autometer.

For your boost, Marco/MTE told me because of the very weak boost algorithm in these cars, stage 2 boost should never go over 1.35bar max(19.5psi) except for spikes (for a second or so) to 1.5bar max(~22psi), so you are not that far (~2psi).

I would definitely try a new line, just to get it out of the way.
 
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Re: IPD Boost Gauge install using side passenger vent........ 07 R (Token Blk Guy)

Check Out My Threads For My Boost Gauge Install - AND Simular IPD Stage II Software Issues!

http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=120128

My Stage II Would Only Boost To 17-19 and Settle To 15.
 
#16 ·
Re: (Token Blk Guy)

Those kinks do represent a problem, likely the reason your readings are low.
We do offer the line separately and I have additional compression ferrules as well. You'll need a new ferrule as they are one time use.

Additional line #H106 $0.51 per foot
Compression ferrule complete fitting $7.08

PM me and I can take care of you on this one.
 
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Re: (nanthi)

Quote, originally posted by nanthi »
Anybody can tell me where to get that fuse adapter for the fuse box? Maybe somebody has a link for me, maybe even in Europe.

I searched for months for that solution because I did not want to just plug the wires into a used fuse.

Would be very cool
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This is what i used!

http://www.amazon.com/Littelfu...90159
 
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Re: IPD Boost Gauge install using side passenger vent........ 07 R (Token Blk Guy)

Quote, originally posted by Token Blk Guy »
So what I decided to do was to return the car back to stock and make a few runs to see what boost I was putting out.. After doing so and driving around I immediately noticed a difference in power the car didn't pull as hard as before. Looking at the gauge over 4 different runs I averaged around 10-12 PSI getting up to 14 psi after shifting but not really spiking past that. Overall holding at 11psi...

Are stock boost levels around 13-15 lbs of boost?


Gauge looks good in the vent. I thought about locating mine in the vent but opted for the IPD mount because I can keep my eye on the road better when the gauge is mounted up there vs. the vent.

My boost gauge reads exactly the same way you described your stock tune above. Stock 04 R, I average 10-12psi get up to 14psi if I'm going up a hill in 5th gear or something; most of the time holds to 11psi and I've hit 15 lbs of boost once or twice. So it sounds like this is somewhat normal??