You have an 8yr battery warranty.

A replacement battery is at least $10k plus labor. Even if you could program a MY17 to use the *very slightly* larger battery, you'd gain 1 - 2 miles of PURE range.

No offense, but you sound ridiculous.

 

I have a 2017 T8 with the 9.4kwh hybrid battery.

Does anybody know if it is possible to get a replacement with the 2020+ battery (11.6kwn or maybe even better?)

I know this will be expensive, but right now I'm just trying to figure out if it is even possible? Are the physical limitations or other components that are needed which makes it impossible etc?

Anybody?

Or - another angle - are there any third parties that can "refurbish" or "extend" the hybrid battery capacity by some genius tricks?

Thomas

Maybe wait till after 10years of ownership for the current smaller capacity battery to die and you can replace it with a higher capacity one.

The design of batteries as shown on YouTube is the same. I think when the old is replaced, they'll use a higher capacity one, as the old are no longer made and Volvo hasn't changed the XC90 T8 design.

But the costs would.probably be exorbitant, you'd have wished to buy a C40 T3 as a spare and general errand vehicle instead

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I haven't come across a third party that refurbishes or upgrades XC90T8 batteries but I know such a company exists for Prius. YouTuber ChrisFix put out a video about that:

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I just read this week about a European company that has been replacing the internal combustion engine (and drive train I believe) of small Euro cars to be a hybrid (can't remember if PHEV or BEV). So 3rd parties are definitely sprouting up!

Right now I'm also hoping for a battery upgrade in 8-10 years (or sooner if the range is tripled for a reasonable price) if I can keep the rest of my pricey T8 healthy!

 

Speak of possibility, there is always potential. When you need a new battery within the 8 year warranty, maybe they will install new version instead.
It is not economical for them to keep stock of original battery module for many years.

And there is indeed larger battery possible. For example, the new LYNKCO 01 PHEV in Europe got much bigger battery:

https://www.lynkco.com/en/car/car-specifications

Battery content, total amount of energy (kWh) - 17,6 usable 14,1
Electric range WLTP - up to 68 km
Battery placement - Centrally in the tunnel of the car

Don't know how it is fitted but LYNKCO 01 is using same CMA platform as XC40.
We can still dream this kind of battery capacity can be done on XC90/XC60.

 

Definitely nothing wrong with thinking, envisioning or dreaming. I would do a sanity check in the 7 year window (2023) to buy a new BEV or PHEV vehicle, to buy a newer CPO or to keep my vehicle if a higher capacity battery would be available.

As hybrid batteries increase their capacity and decrease their size, and as demand and volume increase, anything is feasible. Is it practical and wise? Wait and see.


All the best from Minnesota USA,
A fine MY16 XC90 T8

 

I have a 2017 T8 with the 9.4kwh hybrid battery.

Does anybody know if it is possible to get a replacement with the 2020+ battery (11.6kwn or maybe even better?)

I know this will be expensive, but right now I'm just trying to figure out if it is even possible? Are the physical limitations or other components that are needed which makes it impossible etc?

Anybody?

Or - another angle - are there any third parties that can "refurbish" or "extend" the hybrid battery capacity by some genius tricks?

Thomas

Had the same thought myself but the range difference 'at the moment' with the current Volvo batteries is so small it's not worth it (unless your battery dies), probably a max of 3 extra miles with latest 11.6kwh. I have seen plenty of the 9kwh batteries on ebay for a couple of K.

However in the future (5-10+ years?) I reckon there may be a great second life for hybrids like the T8, with cheaper, high density replacement batteries, if you could get 50-60 miles from it that's going to be 90% of journeys on EV for many.

Pas på

PS Not sure why lamarguy was so offended by your musings!!!

 

PS Not sure why lamarguy was so offended by your musings!!!

Ha, you just explained why I called the OP's "musings" ridiculous. He didn't phrase it as "5yrs from now", he's asking about upgrading his [3yr old] battery now that still has 5 - 7yrs of warranty, depending on the state.

A perfectly reasonable question is - "Do you think there will be aftermarket or OEM battery upgrades available in 5yrs?".

 

I'd actually want to replace my fuel tank with a newer and higher capacity one of latest models if costs weren't exorbitant

Wouldn't want to trade in a good running low mileage vehicle with an expensive new one just for the benefit of having a higher capacity battery and fuel tank

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I don't think it is worth the upgrade to go from a 9.4 KWh to a 11.6 Kwh battery, all to gain a couple of extra miles is Pure mode. In future, if battery technology improves radically so that they can pack twice or thrice the energy in the same space, then maybe.....

I'd be more keen to see if it is possible to swap out the 13g gas tank in my 2017 T8 for the 18+g one in the newer models. That'd help a lot with my range anxiety

 

possible? likely with the newer volvo battery pack. would it make sense? absolutely no. you could buy an oil tanker truck full of gas for the customer pay cost of battery exchange/upgrade would cost. unless for some odd reason yours had to be replaced and was not under warranty(cant think of an example outside of was curious and opened it and broke it) this wouldn't even begin to make sense. youd be better off swapping the t6 engine for a t5 and making that work to save a couple bucks of fuel(im joking that one likely cannot be done)

 

The OP’s question is valid and a reasonable person can infer that it is posed as future consideration. Respectful questions, insights and responses are not too much to ask.

 

Sad to think what 16-17 T8's will be worth by the time 8 year warranties run out. At current prices, battery replacement will cost about as much as the vehicle itself. Doubt battery swap prices will come down as much as they have for Prius due to massively different scales involved.

 

In the end, if people can't sell their T8s when their batteries have died owing to severe depreciation, there will be a number of T8s with disconnected/ removed batteries and the car left to be T6 front-wheel drive only vehicles

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But it could be worse if battery can't hold the minimum voltage and software let ICE keep charging it, and report a battery failure eventually and don't let the car run like a T6.

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LG Chem makes batteries for Volvo, GM, Hyundai and a few others. Has there been any instances of such catastrophic failures of there batteries after the 8 to 10 yr warranty?

 

In 8 or 10 years it should still be fine, as it is not much longer than the warranty time.
I am thinking about 15 to 20 years age that an ICE car may still run just fine.

If the battery becomes too old to run after 20 years and ICE engine still is in good condition, it would be big waste if we have to sell the engine or junk the car.

 

Its a good question from the original poster and without ego and pride getting involved in the thread it was a darn good read aside from personal attacks. I work in tech 24+years. ALWAYS new features come out and firms give upgrades or discounts to loyal customers, who provided their initial base and sales to allow them to jump to make v2.0 , v3.0 , v4.0 etc. As is the case with the 9.4kw battery on the T8 , as I have 2017 MY like the original poster, to the 11.4kw 2020 MY to the 18.6kw due in 2022 and no doubt volvo.com now advertise what was the 41mile range 18.6kw has just IN A FEW DAYS increased to 57mile range, clearly aiming to beat the BMW X5 company car market.

So 9.4kw, 11.8kw, 18kw customers of T8s absolutely have a right to demand, ask for, upgrades ar discounts for those newer 58 mile T8s coming out in April 2022 (or earlier), not at full price.

Many tech firms do this from the industry I work in, from free upgrades to big discounts. Examples, Sony, Microsoft, - as long as customers don't raise complaints, awareness, campaigns on social media Volvo isn't going to care.

However all you need is a social media spark of current T8 owners complaining about being the gunea pig's of experimentation that allowed Volvo to get to a 57 mile T8 range and watch their social media managers go into overdrive to counter the negative publicity before dealers are notified to give battery discounts or free upgrade fitments to current Volvo owners. They half do this with the free intellisense software upgrades. Mine had one.

Knowledge is indeed - Power.

Let's hope it happens.

 

Its a good question from the original poster and without ego and pride getting involved in the thread it was a darn good read aside from personal attacks. I work in tech 24+years. ALWAYS new features come out and firms give upgrades or discounts to loyal customers, who provided their initial base and sales to allow them to jump to make v2.0 , v3.0 , v4.0 etc. As is the case with the 9.4kw battery on the T8 , as I have 2017 MY like the original poster, to the 11.4kw 2020 MY to the 18.6kw due in 2022 and no doubt volvo.com now advertise what was the 41mile range 18.6kw has just IN A FEW DAYS increased to 57mile range, clearly aiming to beat the BMW X5 company car market.

So 9.4kw, 11.8kw, 18kw customers of T8s absolutely have a right to demand, ask for, upgrades ar discounts for those newer 58 mile T8s coming out in April 2022 (or earlier), not at full price.

Many tech firms do this from the industry I work in, from free upgrades to big discounts. Examples, Sony, Microsoft, - as long as customers don't raise complaints, awareness, campaigns on social media Volvo isn't going to care.

However all you need is a social media spark of current T8 owners complaining about being the gunea pig's of experimentation that allowed Volvo to get to a 57 mile T8 range and watch their social media managers go into overdrive to counter the negative publicity before dealers are notified to give battery discounts or free upgrade fitments to current Volvo owners. They half do this with the free intellisense software upgrades. Mine had one.

Knowledge is indeed - Power.

Let's hope it happens.

It would be both rewarding and fulfilling to have Volvo and Volvo dealers acknowledge that first year owners of the T8 and Excellence owners - particularly those that original owners who still own their MY16 XC90 T8 with some type of a [substantial] discount or offset whether it is a trade in or not. The same or similar should apply to MY17 T8s since we both share the limited hybrid capacity and limited fuel tank.

Customer retention, voice of Volvo, and so forth.

As many may be aware, the marketing and promotional materials talked in term of ~25 miles on a single charge. In the US on average operating temperatures and the EPA rated the EV range as 13 miles - half of what was marketed and sold. This was a problem which reportedly caused at least one settlement that never rose to a class action.

To be clear, I am not crying over “spelt” (sic) milk as I love my T8, the Volvo and the dealer’s service. I was in for the long haul and still am. The MY16 T8 has so many pluses that I just deal with the servicing negatives.

Also, I do not want to come across that Volvo “owes” me something. A [substantial] discount would incentivize me to upgrade now / soon rather than much later.

I have asked Volvo Care to escalate to management (e.g., Marketing, Sales, Customer Service) my ideas for incentivizing and acknowledging those of us who stuck it out (and some already upgraded).

Thanks for starting the thread. Hope something turns up.

BTW: This is the only social media that I use FWIW.


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I have a 2017 T8 with the 9.4kwh hybrid battery.

Does anybody know if it is possible to get a replacement with the 2020+ battery (11.6kwn or maybe even better?)

I know this will be expensive, but right now I'm just trying to figure out if it is even possible? Are the physical limitations or other components that are needed which makes it impossible etc?

Anybody?

Or - another angle - are there any third parties that can "refurbish" or "extend" the hybrid battery capacity by some genius tricks?


Thomas

Indeed I think everyone buying a bev or phev have the same question I am pretty sure this will be possible after few years

 

That was my dream as well, also in light of their shareholder maybe too optimistic?!

 

Now that the T8 has an 18.8kWh battery, it would transform the car. I would love to be able to do it. I have had a 2017 T8 since new and only have done 25k miles in it, but I love it. I cannot configure the spec on my old car with the new models, so I don't want to replace it. I like blond leather, light walnut trim and no tinted windows, which I have failed to be do on a configurator in a fully loaded car in the UK.
It is also not about cost. It is more environmentally sound to replace the battery vs buying a new car. Even if it was £5-10k I would do it to get that 50 mile range. That would just be amazing.

 

So where can ones buy the new 18.8kWh battery? Assuming it will fit perfectly into the MY17 T8 spot, will the old built-in charger able to charge it or will that require an upgrade too?

 

It does fit -as it is the same form factor. There is one plug that will need modification to complete the installation. All this is from a guy in England who obtained the battery from a wreck and a Volvo mechanic who was willing to do the install (and the code upgrades) to make it work. I am hoping that Volvo or another company will see the value in producing kits to upgrade the batteries so our wonderful older vehicles can roll on. 🏎

 

Anyone heard about replacing the older 2016-2019 batteries with the new 18.8 kWh one?