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Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models too
GREG KABLE
Posted Date: 6/14/05

Ford's Swedish partner Volvo is developing an advanced inline six-cylinder engine, known internally as SI6, as the powerplant for the next-generation S80 due in June 2006.

Conceived for both transverse and longitudinal applications, the four-valves-per-cylinder gasoline engine features an aluminum cylinder block and a total weight of about 400 pounds. With a compact chain-driven camshaft system, the engine is actually 1.0 millimeter shorter than Volvo's widely offered five-cylinder-a feature that makes it suitable for a whole range of Ford models, according to AutoWeek sources.

Three different versions of the SI6 are planned: a base naturally aspirated 3.2-liter and a pair of performance-oriented turbo­charged 3.0-liter units. The former receives variable cam timing on the inlet valves, with the latter two adopting a more advanced system operating both the inlet and exhaust valves. The performance versions also receive a Garrett turbocharger with variable vane geometry.

In 3.2-liter guise the new six-cylinder produces 238 hp at 6000 rpm along with 236 lb-ft of torque at 3500 rpm, an increase of 42 hp and 26 lb-ft over Volvo's current 2.9-liter five-cylinder engine. The light-pressure turbocharged unit delivers 285 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque, while the top-of-the-line high-pressure turbo engine pumps out 350 hp and 332 lb-ft.

Beyond the S80, Ford is mum on plans for the SI6 engines. It's likely the hottest ones will appear in future Focus RS models in Europe, Jaguar's sport-tuned R versions and Volvo's R performance cars.
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (RuralRomper)

I'll take a 350 hp/332 lb-ft inline turbo 3.2L six in my 2008 R.
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Much rather have that than the V8.
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (RuralRomper)

Quote, originally posted by RuralRomper »


In 3.2-liter guise the new six-cylinder produces 238 hp at 6000 rpm along with 236 lb-ft of torque at 3500 rpm, an increase of 42 hp and 26 lb-ft over Volvo's current 2.9-liter five-cylinder engine. The light-pressure turbocharged unit delivers 285 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque, while the top-of-the-line high-pressure turbo engine pumps out 350 hp and 332 lb-ft.


....... the 238 and 285 hp SI6 seems sweet...... VERY up to date but...... 350hps in todays world of RS4s and next generation M3s/ C class AMGs this a little lacking.... unless Volvo is trying to compete against the IS 350.....
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (Volvo Guy)

Quote, originally posted by Volvo Guy »


....... the 238 and 285 hp SI6 seems sweet...... VERY up to date but...... 350hps in todays world of RS4s and next generation M3s/ C class AMGs this a little lacking.... unless Volvo is trying to compete against the IS 350.....

I don't want the R to compete with RS4s, M3s or AMGs. I like the fact that it is 15-20K less than all those cars (means i can afford it). However, 350 hp should be very competive against IS 350s, G35s, TLs etc. And with a turbo motor, I bet there are lots of companies that will write software to turn up that boost to hit 400 hp easy. http://********************/smile/emthup.gif
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . ("R" Kelly)

That motor sounds like a 6 cyl variant of the basic designused in the current S40/V50.

A modeling of that suggests that the HPT version would run about 11 psi. A simple bump to 1 bar would get you 400 HP.
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . ("R" Kelly)

Quote, originally posted by "R" Kelly »


And with a turbo motor, I bet there are lots of companies that will write software to turn up that boost to hit 400 hp easy. http://********************/smile/emthup.gif
As the model years (and a newer generation of software) become available, the ease of cracking the software will become near to impossible to achieve.
JRL
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (JRL)

As the model years (and a newer generation of software) become available, the ease of cracking the software will become near to impossible to achieve.
Unless you work for Volvo.
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (pitogo)

Let me explain how the (Volvo) ECU programming works.
Different parts of the ECU programming are assigned to different people.
From what I was told there is perhaps ONE person who knows the COMPLETE ECU program and that is in a vault (with machine gunner elves guarding it)
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The next generation is going to be SO complicated that cracking the code is going to VERY VERY difficult, even with some insider knowledge.
Volvo has known all along about "leaks" but is cracking down now so it will be very difficult
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (JRL)

Quote, originally posted by JRL »

The next generation is going to be SO complicated that cracking the code is going to VERY VERY difficult, even with some insider knowledge.
Volvo has known all along about "leaks" but is cracking down now so it will be very difficult
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Cool. Something to look forward to!!
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (RuralRomper)

Having lived with the horrible powerplants of the 80's, I find this new crop of engines to be really exciting.

Variable vane turbocharging should give us a nice boost (!) in response and low-speed torque. Watch out for first-year bugs!

Chain cam drives offer better packaging (shorter engines) but can be noisier, especially in transverse applications. Clever engineering is required to overcome the noise issue, but there are examples of where this has been done successfully (the marvelous 3.5 liter Nissan/Infinity V6 comes to mind). The chain should provide a longer service life as well. Is the S40 engine chain drive?

An inline 6 in better balanced than an I5.

Engine software is getting quite complicated these days to accommodate cold start emissions requirements, etc. It will be a setback for the aftermarket -- for a little while, anyway.

Modified by Dyno at 3:54 PM 6-17-2005
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (JRL)

One of the main drivers for increased software complexity is the ever-increasing degrees of freedom. In the old days, the developers had only to find the optimum combination of spark timing and air/fuel ratio. It's sooo much more complex today.

Today's assignment -- find THE optimum combination of...
spark timing
A/F
injector timing
intake cam timing
exhaust cam timing
vane position/boost
throttle position
EGR
transient enrichment
etc.

Repeat for every possible speed/load condition.

Mathematical "models" are replacing maps and tables, making the whole thing less intuitive.

Modified by Dyno at 3:41 PM 6-17-2005
 
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350 HP is not the limit of the 3.0 turbo application. Nor is 3 litres. At least that would be my guess.

Like buying shoes for your kids: get them with "growing room". They're not going to try and push them first MY since we all know that first MYs are really customer-subsidized longterm road tests.
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I also think its a good hedge bet to have the 4.4 litre V8 and 3.0/3.2 I6 on tap. If US gas prices truly go to $5/gal in the next couple years as predicted, that 6 is going to look a lot more appealing over the long haul. The mounting option flexibility is also very smart IMO.
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (RuralRomper)

Chain driven cams - that's great news. But engine oil choice will become even more critical in the highest performance turbo variants - that is a high shear environment. Maybe we start seeing an "approved" oils list by then.

350/332 seems conservative for a 3.0 I6. Need to see the bore and stroke and the main bearing design to see what the limits really are.
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (JRL)

Quote, originally posted by JRL »

The next generation is going to be SO complicated that cracking the code is going to VERY VERY difficult, even with some insider knowledge.

People say that with every ECU generational change. I remember the panic about EEC-IV when it first came out and folks were saying all the same things. That's now like Univac compared to the new systems.

Amazing how the hardware/software technology the tuners use to crack the ECUs keeps advancing at about the same pace.
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They're all using the same technology base, so the field remains level.

I think the bigger impediment to tuning and tweaking will be the fully "uplinked" vehicle. That's 1984 on wheels. It looks like VIDA is the first step in that concept.
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (sgmlaw)

I could see the aftermarket companies going toward stand-alone engine management systems as a viable alternative to cracking the proprietary ECU code.
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (RuralRomper)

Sounds good, more up to date technology with some trickle down to "lesser" cars from where the R is already at.

An inline 6 may be a hard well to the S80 customer, but certainly BMW did it for years in their 5 and 7 series, with a very respected design.

I could have higher expectations about reliability if I saw that Yamaha had been comissioned for the design, however perhaps some of the latest Consumer Reports data for the XC-90 will be a wake up call, and the new design will take us back to past Volvo reliability.
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (rogersampson)

Quote »
t's likely the hottest ones will appear in future Focus RS models in Europe, Jaguar's sport-tuned R versions and Volvo's R performance cars.

ford have axed plans for a focus rs 350bhp 4wd, cos no money for it!, in uk car mags at moment

which is a good thing!

it would nice if they put the engine the other way round on the R, easier to do clutch!
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (R Salesman)

Quote, originally posted by R Salesman »
I could see the aftermarket companies going toward stand-alone engine management systems as a viable alternative to cracking the proprietary ECU code.
You're seeing some of this today, notably in the professional race teams. I think you are right. Some of this technology will be more accessable to us mere enthusiasts.

The race teams have it easy, though. They don't have to manage automatic transmissions or worry about melted catalysts or idle quality or cold start or...
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (Volvo Guy)

Quote, originally posted by Volvo Guy »
Volvo can very well make a new S60R with a 350hp and a "R GT" with 400 or 410 hp I'm hoping that they will opt for this road for people who truly want a preformance oriented sedan from Volvo.

Hopefully with a V8!!!!!

Andrew http://********************/smile/emcocktl.gif
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (adpheschel)

Whenever Volvo releases a "performance" model, it's always a few years late in terms of power. 300 horsepower was a big deal back in 98 or so. Nowadays, Toyota Avalons come with close to 300 horsepower.

I'd imagine their next S4/M3 fighter will still be 50 horsepower short and 400 pounds too heavy.
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (JRL)

Quote, originally posted by JRL »
Let me explain how the (Volvo) ECU programming works.
Different parts of the ECU programming are assigned to different people.
From what I was told there is perhaps ONE person who knows the COMPLETE ECU program and that is in a vault (with machine gunner elves guarding it)
Image

The next generation is going to be SO complicated that cracking the code is going to VERY VERY difficult, even with some insider knowledge.
Volvo has known all along about "leaks" but is cracking down now so it will be very difficult
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I spoke with "one" of those guys recently, George will be posting the article for Volvo's tuned S60R-R, hopefully when he returns.
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (RuralRomper)

The LPT, if it's as glass smooth as an inline 6 should be, would be my choice for the current V70. Especially if all 295 ft.-lbs. is available from 1500 rpm or less. If the next V70/S60 actually has a decent base chassis and suspension, then the V8 or supercharged V8 would be the choice.

Or, a twin turbo version of the I6...with all the low-end torque plus the high-end power.
 
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Re: AUTOWEEK - Volvo's Super 6: Hot new powerplant for Ford, Jaguar models . . . (RuralRomper)

There are some discussions on the VS forum that the Autoweek article is incorrect regarding the length of the new SI6. Some say that the length is 1mm shorter than the older inline six, not the five, as the article points out.

Playing Devil's advocate: What would be the point of making a comparison to it's length if it wasn't significantly shorter?

On the other hand, I find it hard to believe the six-cylinder can be as short as the older five, and still have the same displacement. A lot more would have to be done besides changing to a chain-driven camshaft, like a new crank, less space between cylinders, walls and water jacket, just to mention a few other possible changes. I'm sure that the external accessories' mounting is modified, like the Yamaha V8.

Would love to have a small displacement inline 6 w/350-400 hp in a sleeper S60!
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regards,
MAJ