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220v outlet? What am I doing wrong? :(

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#1 ·
I have a 2022 xc90 plug in hybrid. Our new house comes with a 220v outlet but I’m not sure what I am doing wrong. I thought the suv comes with a way to charge to a 220v outlet but I can’t comprehend how this fits. Pictures attached.

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#3 ·
Looks like you need an adapter that does the opposite of this one

Universal EV Electric Car Charger Adapter 220/250V Cable 6-20P 3-Pin Male Plug To 14-30R 4-Pin Female Receptacle Outlet, Level 1 & 2 Vehicle Charging Converter Connector Cord NEMA EVSE FX804EV https://a.co/d/fqO1GqE
Hmm everywhere I have read it says it just “plugs right in”. Obviously I’m missing something…
 
#8 ·
Two things going on here - your house has a 50A outlet that's suitable for the vast majority of 6-8 kW EVSEs (the things that go wall-plug -> standard car plug). In this case Volvo's EVSE is only 3.6 kW, so they only rate it for a 20A socket (the weird plug).

Some people happen to have these plugs for garage AC units, but they're pretty unusual.

The best/future-proofed approach here would be to get a good plug-in but mountable EVSE that's rated for the outlet (40A or 50A) and then just keep the Volvo one in the bag for trickle charging on 120V as a backup. I generally recommend ClipperCreek models (40A, 50A are both the same plug) since they're practically indestructible. Those would then be able to charge a regular EV at a normal rate as well as the XC90 at its rate without any issues or swapping parts.

All that being said though, the Volvo PHEVs don't draw a ton (2x normal wall outlet), so this would be "set it and forget it" overkill for your charging situation.
 
#9 ·
Volvo does not provide an adapter. You need the adapter that NorCalBob provided a link for. I have that adapter for the 14-30 receptacle and it works just fine. The power needed to charge a plug in hybrid is vastly diff than a full EV so they provided a charging cord needed for their cars and not anything else.
 
#10 ·
There are many types of 220V receptacles, based on amp, just like 110V receptacles as well, there are 20 amp specific ones.
Dryers, Ranges, Workshop (30,50,20) amp, all use different receptacles. You can safely use adapters to plug something into a higher rated receptacle, OR change the receptacle itself. (and probably should match the breaker technically)
 
#13 ·
The picture of the outlet is a 14-50 receptacle, typically used for oven / stove / range, RV vehicles and more.

The plug from the Volvo charging cable is a 6-20P ... it is meant to plug into a 6-20R receptacle. The 20 and 50 are amps. Your car will not draw anything more by plugging it into an outlet that can supply more - this is a safe thing to do.

As gramesmith pointed out, you need an adapter - I have four of them that I keep in my car to adapt to various 220 VAC receptacles that I may encounter. (Been driving PHEV since 2015 and back years ago there were less level 2 chargers so I took advantage of other electrical connections. Don't need to do that so much any more due to a lot more chargers around.)

One adapter that should work, from Amazon:
 
#14 ·
I have a 2022 xc90 plug in hybrid. Our new house comes with a 220v outlet but I’m not sure what I am doing wrong. I thought the suv comes with a way to charge to a 220v outlet but I can’t comprehend how this fits. Pictures attached.

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it plugs right in to the correct outlet configuration. The adapter referred by others does make it plug and play.

what you have is a more recent 220 plug. people have referred to as a dryer plug. what volvo supplies is an older but still utilized 3 prong plug. with the adapter i believe one of your plugs in your house is is treated as 2nd ground.
 
#17 ·
I tell my customers not to bother with the included plug for 220 from Volvo with PHEVs. It's going to be outdated with your next purchase that will more likely be an EV (or sooner or later it likely will be). The outlet you have in your home is the correct one for future compatibility and general usefulness. You could buy the cable, or just go ahead and get a nice charging station that plugs into that outlet and be all set.
 
#18 ·
Here's a NEMA eyechart:

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As stated by rpmccormick, your 6-20P Plug (outie) needs a 6-20R Recepecticle (innie) to 14-50P adapter and is indeed 220v. The onboard charger maxes out at 3.3kW or ~ 15 amps @ 220v.

Your 50 amp wall outlet will make you future proof for when converting to a faster charger for BEV later on. Most all wall charger will have that plug as an option and would be the best solution for in-home charging even with a PHEV so you could leave the portable cable/charger in the boot for when your staying away from a charger and still have access to an outlet.
 
#26 ·
Electrically, there is zero difference between rewiring the plug, and using an adapter. And as for getting a "real" charger, your car won't benefit anyway. It won't charge any faster.
Get the adapter, plug it in, and see how it goes. IF you ever get a car that can charge faster, upgrade then.
 
#29 ·
When I have lots of time and/or the battery is not completely zero, I've been using the Volvo supplied cable. When the battery is at zero (and the PS 2 is not plugged in), I've been using the EVSE for the V60 for a quicker charge. My EVSE is further away from the V60 garage parking spot and the EVSE cable can become a tripping hazard when attached to the V60. Thus, a shorter charge time means reduced hazard. There is a 110 wall outlet next to the V60 which makes the Volvo cable very easy to use for a longer charge time.
 
#35 ·
Few additional thoughts:

The 14-50 plug / receptacle is a monster and is not designed to be connected / disconnected frequently. If you use that for the vehicle's charging cable you'll definitely want to be making the connection on the 6-20 side (as that is like a normal power connection).

A vehicle charging station (at home) makes your daily (or more frequent) connections to the vehicle a lot easier - no cable to retrieve from your car, and stuff back in your car. You may find a charger that has a plug that can plug into the 14-50R.

Don't know if there are US Federal tax credits for charging stations - check your state to see if there are any. And also check your electric company as they may have incentives as well.

My electric company also has a program where they will pay you each year to be able to slow your vehicle charging rate when the power demand is at its greatest (slows to 50% rate). I think they're now paying me $50 - but initially they gave $300 I think because I already had a charger (ChargePoint) that works with their system.
 
#36 ·
It blows my mind that Volvo doesn't let you program a charging profile from the dashboard...

Just another example the tech isn't intended for us.
 
#37 ·
I have a 2022 xc90 plug in hybrid. Our new house comes with a 220v outlet but I’m not sure what I am doing wrong. I thought the suv comes with a way to charge to a 220v outlet but I can’t comprehend how this fits. Pictures attached.

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That plug is a 115v 20 amp plug. Adapt that to a 220 volt outlet and you will burn something up. Car, charging cable, or house
 
#40 ·
That plug looks just like the one that came with my XC90. I've been using it for the past 6 months connected to an Amazon 240 volt to NEMA 6-20 adapter with no issues. No fires, burned up cables, destroyed cars, or even red lights flashing on the charge cable, etc.

This is from the Volvo website describing the plug. NEMA 6-20P is for 240 charging.


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#38 ·
I have a 2022 xc90 plug in hybrid. Our new house comes with a 220v outlet but I’m not sure what I am doing wrong. I thought the suv comes with a way to charge to a 220v outlet but I can’t comprehend how this fits. Pictures attached.

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You can get an electrician to change your outlet out to a 3 pin. That way you will not have to use an adapter.
 
#39 ·
It’s really simple. I had an electrician install a 50 amp breaker, install a 3-wire plug to an outlet that matched the Volvo provided plug. The 50 amp was for future needs. Our electric coop has off peak lower rates so purchased a manual timer off Amazon for $20. Been perfect for 18 months and counting.
I also had a 4-wire installed for my Etron that I can program charging times through the car or app.
 
#42 ·
It’s really simple. I had an electrician install a 50 amp breaker, install a 3-wire plug to an outlet that matched the Volvo provided plug. The 50 amp was for future needs. Our electric coop has off peak lower rates so purchased a manual timer off Amazon for $20. Been perfect for 18 months and counting.
I also had a 4-wire installed for my Etron that I can program charging times through the car or app.
That is most likely not to code. Your breaker must match the socket. What you could do is install a 20A breaker that could be upgraded to 50A if you change the socket. Also, if the 50A breaker wasn't already there, my money says the cable isn't rated for 50A, which would be another code violation.
 
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