2022 XC40 - first flat tire - VOC failed

DFrantz · Sep 13, 2022

@DanOB Not trying to fight ya, just giving some notes.

It's a car with a tall body. I'm not at all saying you're wrong.. well, I suppose I am about your expectations. But you're not wrong in thinking there are smarter ways to make cars for ruggedness, but it's not a defect in design for its intended purpose. They make smaller wheels just folks don't generally want them so dealers don't stock as many of them. Modern cars are made for the road. 20" wheels are absolutely made for the road. A 4" rock is big. It's taller than the tire sidewall. You're out real hard earned money and reasonably upset. I do get that.

But I have you some real options. You can swap out right now with someone else. You also could buy a tire and wheel protection plan.

I never suggested going to the dealer, because that's likely to cost you an arm and a leg, and they'll only do things by the book. I work at a dealer and I have told my own customers the same thing. I want nothing at all to do with wheel swaps, it's bad for business in many ways. Now there are differences at dealers and what not, but generally a dealer is going to just send you to parts and you'll get a huge number for what it costs to replace the wheels. That person who got the 18"s probably had the same experience. It just makes too much sense to find someone looking for the upgrade for style and you looking for the upgrade in ruggedness.

In '22 you could get 19" wheels on an R design. 18" on momentum. I was not familiar with any change between the two, and I had our parts counter cross reference two vins (R and Momentum) and they had the same brake parts.

DanOB · Sep 13, 2022

DFrantz said:
@DanOB Not trying to fight ya, just giving some notes.

It's a car with a tall body. I'm not at all saying you're wrong.. well, I suppose I am about your expectations. But you're not wrong in thinking there are smarter ways to make cars for ruggedness, but it's not a defect in design for its intended purpose. They make smaller wheels just folks don't generally want them so dealers don't stock as many of them. Modern cars are made for the road. 20" wheels are absolutely made for the road. A 4" rock is big. It's taller than the tire sidewall. You're out real hard earned money and reasonably upset. I do get that.

But I have you some real options. You can swap out right now with someone else. You also could buy a tire and wheel protection plan.

I never suggested going to the dealer, because that's likely to cost you an arm and a leg, and they'll only do things by the book. I work at a dealer and I have told my own customers the same thing. I want nothing at all to do with wheel swaps, it's bad for business in many ways. Now there are differences at dealers and what not, but generally a dealer is going to just send you to parts and you'll get a huge number for what it costs to replace the wheels. That person who got the 18"s probably had the same experience. It just makes too much sense to find someone looking for the upgrade for style and you looking for the upgrade in ruggedness.

In '22 you could get 19" wheels on an R design. 18" on momentum. I was not familiar with any change between the two, and I had our parts counter cross reference two vins (R and Momentum) and they had the same brake parts.

Look, I appreciate what you're saying, and I know you're trying to help. But I was reversing slowly and carefully out of a well-used dirt driveway. If you can't do that without risking a tire, well, the car is not properly set up, or the tire is bad, or someone didn't tell me the truth.

Can I swap for 2021 18" wheels? I see these for sale used for $300 each.

If not, I'm going to have to figure out precise part numbers. Or possibly this web page -- are all of these OK for the R-Design?

Request Rejected

DFrantz · Sep 13, 2022

I think any of the 18" would fit, but that's not a promise. $300 each plus the tire gets spendy

Here is a full set of used ones on ebay for $499 with tires with 11k miles... $300 shipping, but I bet you could find something local similar... or see if you can just pick em up from Ohio from this person... You could always try them out, and if they for some reason didn't fit, get your money back out by reselling.

I've seen folks take wheels similar to this and get the lower areas painted black to give it a sportier look and they came out awesome. I want to say that was an extra $800... but still less than new ones and new tires.

OEM 18" 2019-21 Volvo XC40 Wheel Tire Setup Michelin 18x7.5 31471553 | eBay

31355 · Sep 14, 2022

DanOB said:
Look, I appreciate what you're saying, and I know you're trying to help. But I was reversing slowly and carefully out of a well-used dirt driveway. If you can't do that without risking a tire, well, the car is not properly set up, or the tire is bad, or someone didn't tell me the truth.

Can I swap for 2021 18" wheels? I see these for sale used for $300 each.

If not, I'm going to have to figure out precise part numbers. Or possibly this web page -- are all of these OK for the R-Design?

Request Rejected

Omg. You still haven’t come to the conclusion you had a one-off experience or a miss-manufactured tire or it was injured in another event and the rock was more than it could take.

how I’m earth can you be so naive to think your one tire experience is indicative of the tends of thousands of these tires that have no issues and the thousands of owners that live on dirt and gravel roads and do what you did every day with no issue.

YOUR EXOEIRNCE WAS BAD LUCK AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WOTH TIRE QUALITY OR VOLVO.

Laterally there is a certain % of manufacturing defects for all tires. Guess what….looks like you got one.

Your crusade against Volvo selecting tires that won’t drive on a dirt road has To be one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever seen here. And there have been a lot. It’s called BAD LUCK.

I had a flat tire on a gravel road with my Michelins tire…..so am I supposed to go on a crusade and say because my one flat tire experience occurred all Michelins are Incapable of driving on a gravel road? Give me a break. You lack complete common sense.

DFrantz · Sep 14, 2022

I think he's just annoyed that he had to spend $500 on a new tire....

Ultrarunner511 · Sep 14, 2022

*********** said:
Omg. You still haven’t come to the conclusion you had a one-off experience or a miss-manufactured tire or it was injured in another event and the rock was more than it could take.

how I’m earth can you be so naive to think your one tire experience is indicative of the tends of thousands of these tires that have no issues and the thousands of owners that live on dirt and gravel roads and do what you did every day with no issue.

YOUR EXOEIRNCE WAS BAD LUCK AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WOTH TIRE QUALITY OR VOLVO.

Laterally there is a certain % of manufacturing defects for all tires. Guess what….looks like you got one.

Your crusade against Volvo selecting tires that won’t drive on a dirt road has To be one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever seen here. And there have been a lot. It’s called BAD LUCK.

I had a flat tire on a gravel road with my Michelins tire…..so am I supposed to go on a crusade and say because my one flat tire experience occurred all Michelins are Incapable of driving on a gravel road? Give me a break. You lack complete common sense.

Mods, you wanna lock this dude down at some point? This is getting totally out of hand.

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DanOB · Sep 14, 2022

DFrantz said:
I think he's just annoyed that he had to spend $500 on a new tire....

Yes, that plus the fact that in the area of the event, which is semi-rural, there were no tire shops nearby that stocked this size. So I had to drive 40 miles to the original dealership (on the donut) and wait three hours for the new tire, thereby losing a half-day of work. So the situation created real problems for me.

After the BMW (which requires constant repair at this point), I needed a "no problem" vehicle, so the larger disappointment is that I may not have actually bought what I needed. I hope I'm wrong about that. Time will tell.

DanOB · Sep 14, 2022

Ultrarunner511 said:
Mods, you wanna lock this dude down at some point? This is getting totally out of hand.

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I get that *********** is outraged, and I hope he is right, for my own sake and for the sake of everyone else who bought a 2022 XC with 20" wheels. This is a valuable thread and I don't want to see it tampered with.

DFrantz · Sep 14, 2022

@*********** is always outraged... I frankly often agree with him, and his tone makes mine look so gentle, so I don't mind keeping him around. =-D

20" wheels aren't new for Volvo or anyone else. If it was a true problem then people wouldn't clamor for them. They absolutely will fail more than 18" wheels do... but you won't see it as an every day complaint, in part because most cars with 20" wheels never leave the pavement. Think of bike wheels.... a mount bike uses different tires and wheels than a touring bike. You will get "unlucky" more often with them... but it's also not like every time you venture from the pavement they'll be damaged.

DanOB · Sep 14, 2022

DFrantz said:
@*********** is always outraged... I frankly often agree with him, and his tone makes mine look so gentle, so I don't mind keeping him around. =-D

20" wheels aren't new for Volvo or anyone else. If it was a true problem then people wouldn't clamor for them. They absolutely will fail more than 18" wheels do... but you won't see it as an every day complaint, in part because most cars with 20" wheels never leave the pavement. Think of bike wheels.... a mount bike uses different tires and wheels than a touring bike. You will get "unlucky" more often with them... but it's also not like every time you venture from the pavement they'll be damaged.

Posters who react rancorously to newbies like me are only impacting their own credibility, if not to "insiders," at least to the typical reader. As there is no overt threat here, these comments should remain in place. The man spoke, let it speak for itself.

I'm not saying anyone on this thread is a fraud. Forums are (obviously) filled with people who are representing agendas. One tactic they use is to lower the dialog or bait posters who say things that are against some interest or agenda, in order to provoke an emotional reaction that draws moderators and shuts down the thread. I don't want that to happen here. Whatever anyone thinks of what I've said, even if it shows a total lack of understanding of tires or anything else, some of this information is still valuable to current and future vehicle owners. I'm not saying anyone on this thread is a fraud.

I had to buy these 20" wheels because I needed a vehicle immediately and I had decided on this make and model. I was also determined to buy from a dealer near my home. There was a "supply chain disruption" so this was all they had in stock and I was told it could be 3-4 months before more cars came in -- a credible statement at the time. The salesman told me that there was no difference in durability between the 19" and 20" wheels and that the 18" wheels would not fit on my car. The dealer's service department repeated this same thing yesterday. So on the one hand, I wanted the car and I may not have used common sense. On the other hand, the dealer said some stuff.

DanOB · Sep 14, 2022

DFrantz said:
I think any of the 18" would fit, but that's not a promise. $300 each plus the tire gets spendy

Here is a full set of used ones on ebay for $499 with tires with 11k miles... $300 shipping, but I bet you could find something local similar... or see if you can just pick em up from Ohio from this person... You could always try them out, and if they for some reason didn't fit, get your money back out by reselling.

I've seen folks take wheels similar to this and get the lower areas painted black to give it a sportier look and they came out awesome. I want to say that was an extra $800... but still less than new ones and new tires.

OEM 18" 2019-21 Volvo XC40 Wheel Tire Setup Michelin 18x7.5 31471553 | eBay

This is great, thanks!!

V50_M66 · Sep 14, 2022

DanOB said:
Posters who react rancorously to newbies like me are only impacting their own credibility, if not to "insiders," at least to the typical reader. As there is no overt threat here, these comments should remain in place. The man spoke, let it speak for itself.

I'm not saying anyone on this thread is a fraud. Forums are (obviously) filled with people who are representing agendas. One tactic they use is to lower the dialog or bait posters who say things that are against some interest or agenda, in order to provoke an emotional reaction that draws moderators and shuts down the thread. I don't want that to happen here. Whatever anyone thinks of what I've said, even if it shows a total lack of understanding of tires or anything else, some of this information is still valuable to current and future vehicle owners. I'm not saying anyone on this thread is a fraud.

I had to buy these 20" wheels because I needed a vehicle immediately and I had decided on this make and model. I was also determined to buy from a dealer near my home. There was a "supply chain disruption" so this was all they had in stock and I was told it could be 3-4 months before more cars came in -- a credible statement at the time. The salesman told me that there was no difference in durability between the 19" and 20" wheels and that the 18" wheels would not fit on my car. The dealer's service department repeated this same thing yesterday. So on the one hand, I wanted the car and I may not have used common sense. On the other hand, the dealer said some stuff.

In the dealer system, since 18s were never offered with the R-Design, they likely tell you 18s won't fit to be safe. However, all the brakes are the same on T5 XC40s, so the 18s that are available on the T5 Momentum will fit your car, even if the dealer says otherwise.

retiredoldman · Sep 19, 2022

DanOB said:
After just seven months of ownership, we had a sidewall tear on passenger front 20" Skorpion, caused by small rock on dirt road. Put on the donut and drove 30 miles to original dealer. Total cost $435.00.

Did not want low-profile tires but needed the car right away so took a chance. Hoping now that I don't endlessly regret it.

Donut worked well.

Impressed with rim quality.

Very concerned now about tire quality. Is there any better competitor to the Skorpion at this size?

VOC failed. Dealer says we will have to leave car there for full day to resolve "software issue."

All comments welcome.

This thread illustrates a common misunderstanding about pneumatic tire principals. I was employed in the retail tire industry for 48 years. An older customer bought a new set of medium grade tires and unfortunately ran over a nail a few weeks later. I showed him the nail in the tire and how we planned to repair it. He was irate and insisted I sold him a tire made with "soft" rubber and demanded a replacement. Since he was mayor of our town with an expressive and vocal personality, I replaced the tire, for my own benefit, instead of taking the correct stance. A pneumatic tire can be punctured anytime, anywhere, under any conditions due to the construction principle involved. That's why manufactures have been trying, mostly unsuccessfully, to create a perfect replacement for years.

DanOB · Sep 20, 2022

retiredoldman said:
This thread illustrates a common misunderstanding about pneumatic tire principals. I was employed in the retail tire industry for 48 years. An older customer bought a new set of medium grade tires and unfortunately ran over a nail a few weeks later. I showed him the nail in the tire and how we planned to repair it. He was irate and insisted I sold him a tire made with "soft" rubber and demanded a replacement. Since he was mayor of our town with an expressive and vocal personality, I replaced the tire, for my own benefit, instead of taking the correct stance. A pneumatic tire can be punctured anytime, anywhere, under any conditions due to the construction principle involved. That's why manufactures have been trying, mostly unsuccessfully, to create a perfect replacement for years.

A nail is obviously bad luck. I did not post about a nail. You'll note that my anecdote did not mention a nail. BTW, nails weren't mentioned in my original post, as my tire did not pick up a nail, therefore there was no unreasonable scene at the tire shop, and I did not argue unreasonably with a long-suffering salesman (no doubt sighing inwardly over my sheer pig-headed stupidity) about how the manufacturer messed up by making my tire vulnerable to a nail.

Now, to show I'm not argumentative and I've learned my pneumatic lessons, a sidewall tear on a tire with 3200 road miles traveling at 3 MPH on a highly-trafficked dirt driveway may still be bad luck -- if so, that is some spectacularly bad luck, some plain old ridiculously, absurdly bad luck, the kind that is reserved especially for pratfalling comic characters, banana-peel suckers, eejits and dupes and fools of all stripes. Like me, the buyer of a rugged SUV that cannot handle the simplest dirt road without heightened risk.

I do agree that I've had a "misunderstanding." I'll never ever again in my life buy large wheels with painfully expensive low-profile designer tires on an SUV. I'll also work diligently to avoid the Pirelli brand. My sense is this whole scene is an inflated (sorry) profit center for manufacturers and dealers, an infinite loop of irreparable $450 rubber and warped alloy rims. You can keep telling me how wrong I am but this experience has permanently changed my mind and it won't be changed back.

Why in the world would a person need low-profile tires on an SUV anyway? These top-heavy machines are not designed for cornering at maximum speed. They are supposed to handle all kinds of basic conditions. That's the purpose of it -- the "utility" of it.

As previous posters have advised, this setup is designed for smooth pavement -- y'know, like we have all over America, a country of flawless infrastructure, especially in urban and suburban zones -- perfectly smooth pavement wherever you go. Now I get it.

retiredoldman · Sep 20, 2022

DanOB said:
A nail is obviously bad luck. I did not post about a nail. You'll note that my anecdote did not mention a nail. BTW, nails weren't mentioned in my original post, as my tire did not pick up a nail, therefore there was no unreasonable scene at the tire shop, and I did not argue unreasonably with a long-suffering salesman (no doubt sighing inwardly over my sheer pig-headed stupidity) about how the manufacturer messed up by making my tire vulnerable to a nail.

Now, to show I'm not argumentative and I've learned my pneumatic lessons, a sidewall tear on a tire with 3200 road miles traveling at 3 MPH on a highly-trafficked dirt driveway may still be bad luck -- if so, that is some spectacularly bad luck, some plain old ridiculously, absurdly bad luck, the kind that is reserved especially for pratfalling comic characters, banana-peel suckers, eejits and dupes and fools of all stripes. Like me, the buyer of a rugged SUV that cannot handle the simplest dirt road without heightened risk.

I do agree that I've had a "misunderstanding." I'll never ever again in my life buy large wheels with painfully expensive low-profile designer tires on an SUV. I'll also work diligently to avoid the Pirelli brand. My sense is this whole scene is an inflated (sorry) profit center for manufacturers and dealers, an infinite loop of irreparable $450 rubber and warped alloy rims. You can keep telling me how wrong I am but this experience has permanently changed my mind and it won't be changed back.

Why in the world would a person need low-profile tires on an SUV anyway? These top-heavy machines are not designed for cornering at maximum speed. They are supposed to handle all kinds of basic conditions. That's the purpose of it -- the "utility" of it.

As previous posters have advised, this setup is designed for smooth pavement -- y'know, like we have all over America, a country of flawless infrastructure, especially in urban and suburban zones -- perfectly smooth pavement wherever you go. Now I get it.

Wow. Now that is a first class, grade A, number 1 rant. Congratulations- or condolences if this is normal behavior.

DFrantz · Sep 20, 2022

I thought you said you got an XC40 with 20" rims? That's not a rugged SUV at all. And then you talk about why someone would need it? It's a luxury car... talking about needs is absurd. It's what people want. It's why isn't not like this is a Volvo problem.... People don't want them because they are a profit center for Volvo, dealers, or tire companies... people like the style and are willing to take the increased risk. You have the option to get a tire and wheel protection plan. You'd have it half way paid for already depending on the coverage you pick. That too is just an profit center... because... most of the time people aren't ruining their tires and wheels. But it gives folks peace of mind because these things can in fact happen. Perhaps if your well driven driveway with 4" rocks is a common issue, or you live in Detroit where they have 3' wide potholes you should buck it up and buy one of the plans. I've sliced the sidewall of tires w 14" and 16" rim off some rubbish in the road... I've bent a rim and ruined a tire on a pothole with 18". These things do in fact just happen. The world is absolutely out to make profit... but that's a very different mindset than to live as though profit is out to hurt you. You've profited over your life, hence you have a nice luxury crossover.

DanOB · Sep 20, 2022

Correct: I'm learning that my XC40 is not a rugged vehicle. And I should've taken that $1350 wheel insurance policy -- I would've used it, and then some. That was a signal moment and I missed it.

I keep repeating it: You guys are right and I'm wrong. I take full responsibility for my actions and I am paying the price. Caveat emptor.

V50_M66 · Sep 20, 2022

DanOB said:
Correct: I'm learning that my XC40 is not a rugged vehicle. And I should've taken that $1350 wheel insurance policy -- I would've used it, and then some. That was a signal moment and I missed it.

I keep repeating it: You guys are right and I'm wrong. I take full responsibility for my actions and I am paying the price. Caveat emptor.

It's not that the XC40 isn't a rugged vehicle, and I totally understand you being upset for having to pay that much to fix it. However, it is a crossover with 20" wheels. The likelihood of issues concerning the tires is much higher than it would be with 18s due to less sidewall. So, as I stated before -
What's done is done - not pointing fingers at you, the car, or the tires. So, now that you have replaced the blown tire, run these tires as long as you can. They are fine, if not great for off road as you've experienced. If they last until they wear out without blowing, then fantastic. If not (or when they wear out) and you decide you want something beefier, get a set of 18s off a Momentum (or look on Tire Rack for a set of aftermarket 18s) and pair them with good tires that will handle abuse. If you decide to stick with the 20s, get a better set of tires suited to your driving. Either way, you'll be well off.
In the unfortunate (and pretty unlikely) case they blow again before they get worn, a set of 20" R-Design wheels with 3 good tires is worth a good bit of money, and will likely mostly offset the cost of getting aftermarket 18s. You could also try finding someone willing to swap with their factory 18s as stated for free (or even get paid a little bit to offset the cost difference).

31355 · Sep 20, 2022

DanOB said:
Correct: I'm learning that my XC40 is not a rugged vehicle. And I should've taken that $1350 wheel insurance policy -- I would've used it, and then some. That was a signal moment and I missed it.

I keep repeating it: You guys are right and I'm wrong. I take full responsibility for my actions and I am paying the price. Caveat emptor.

You really are a treat. You take every comment and spin it with some hyperbole into some new rant about how your situation was do to a bad tire brand on a size that is not suited for a car that's supposed to be "rugged"......and not a single person here will agree with you. Not one. Because you are wrong on every account. Not that you will admit it. Some how you refuse to be logical. Instead you want to blame the tire, the rim, the car and the tire maker for a one-off, bad luck, wrong-place-wrong-time scenario that got you a flat tire. You insist your XC40 can't drive on a dirt or gravel road safely with 20" tires.....all while tens of thousands of people do it every day without issue. Range Rovers do it all the time with even bigger tires. And you think your XC40 tire is expensive? Seriously, you don't have a clue do you about tires?!?

And NOW, you say it's a scam for dealers and tire makers to sell more tires to make money and rip off consumers. Now we all know you are a wack job, because that conspiracy theory is just laughable. Apparently you don't even know what the definition of "low profile" is or why they are fitted to an SUV. Some of us would keep trying to explain, talk you down off the ledge, make you see a little common sense....but you are a hopeless cause. You will not find this forum community very welcoming to people of your mindset, and I pity the dealer that had to replace your tire. I'm sure you berated them to no end and ranted and raved.

I am laughing so hard right now at your ridiculousness I've about fallen off the couch. I'm sure others on here have shook their heads and laughed at you as well. But please.....keep telling everyone why you are the only one that's right, despite being the only person that has these views. We all could use the extra laughs!!!! You, sir, are a special one..that's been proven by you!

Ultrarunner511 · Sep 20, 2022

*********** said:
You really are a treat. You take every comment and spin it with some hyperbole into some new rant about how your situation was do to a bad tire brand on a size that is not suited for a car that's supposed to be "rugged"......and not a single person here will agree with you. Not one. Because you are wrong on every account. Not that you will admit it. Some how you refuse to be logical. Instead you want to blame the tire, the rim, the car and the tire maker for a one-off, bad luck, wrong-place-wrong-time scenario that got you a flat tire. You insist your XC40 can't drive on a dirt or gravel road safely with 20" tires.....all while tens of thousands of people do it every day without issue. Range Rovers do it all the time with even bigger tires. And you think your XC40 tire is expensive? Seriously, you don't have a clue do you about tires?!?

And NOW, you say it's a scam for dealers and tire makers to sell more tires to make money and rip off consumers. Now we all know you are a wack job, because that conspiracy theory is just laughable. Apparently you don't even know what the definition of "low profile" is or why they are fitted to an SUV. Some of us would keep trying to explain, talk you down off the ledge, make you see a little common sense....but you are a hopeless cause. You will not find this forum community very welcoming to people of your mindset, and I pity the dealer that had to replace your tire. I'm sure you berated them to no end and ranted and raved.

I am laughing so hard right now at your ridiculousness I've about fallen off the couch. I'm sure others on here have shook their heads and laughed at you as well. But please.....keep telling everyone why you are the only one that's right, despite being the only person that has these views. We all could use the extra laughs!!!! You, sir, are a special one..that's been proven by you!

Reflection is a difficult thing for you.

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