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20s should be ok on dirt roads, but not for much more than that. I've never had good luck with Pirellis. I'd recommend going to an 18 inch wheel with some mild all-terrain tires for frequent off road use (and because it looks sweet).
If you want to stick with the 20s, I've had really good luck with Sumitomo HTR A/S PO3s on both my dad's old XC90 V8R (which also had 20s) and my mom's V60CC, both of which see tons of dirt road use, including occasional drifting on dirt fire roads with no issues
 
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Well whaddaya know, I was scanning a different thread on Volvo wheels and tires and found this (quoted in bold):


#10 · Feb 22, 2022 (Edited)

If it means anything, the Pirelli's on our 2017, former 2020, and current 2021 were never smooth, never seemed fully balanced. And the weights never separated from the wheels. Putting Michelins on the 2017 really exposed how crappy the OEM Pirelli's are. 40k miles later with the Michelins and they're smoother than the Pirelli's ever were. Assuming this is the cause of tires, here's a video from my 2021 showing how bad the vibrations are, especially when sitting in the rear:


And another poster follows up with a different complaint. I get that this is a different car, different tire, but still, the evidence is adding up.
 
Well whaddaya know, I was scanning a different thread on Volvo wheels and tires and found this (quoted in bold):


#10 · Feb 22, 2022 (Edited)

If it means anything, the Pirelli's on our 2017, former 2020, and current 2021 were never smooth, never seemed fully balanced. And the weights never separated from the wheels. Putting Michelins on the 2017 really exposed how crappy the OEM Pirelli's are. 40k miles later with the Michelins and they're smoother than the Pirelli's ever were. Assuming this is the cause of tires, here's a video from my 2021 showing how bad the vibrations are, especially when sitting in the rear:


And another poster follows up with a different complaint. I get that this is a different car, different tire, but still, the evidence is adding up.
I've read about people having issues with the Pirellis on XC40s as well, so it's not isolated to the XC60 either
 
I've read about people having issues with the Pirellis on XC40s as well, so it's not isolated to the XC60 either
You realize you can find the exact same threads for ANY brand of tire, right? Like.....do you really not know you can find a thread on ANY car brand about ANY tire brand that says the tires are terrible? I mean, some people would rather walk before they drive on Michelins. So you found a few negative comments.

Big deal, you can for any tire. Have you looked at TireRack for a review of your tire? I guess not, becasue it's a very high ratting and has high consumer ratings as well. But you know....they are trash tires. I mean, they are only used on 6 figure cars from Porsche and Mercedes Benz........
 
You realize you can find the exact same threads for ANY brand of tire, right? Like.....do you really not know you can find a thread on ANY car brand about ANY tire brand that says the tires are terrible? I mean, some people would rather walk before they drive on Michelins. So you found a few negative comments.

Big deal, you can for any tire. Have you looked at TireRack for a review of your tire? I guess not, becasue it's a very high ratting and has high consumer ratings as well. But you know....they are trash tires. I mean, they are only used on 6 figure cars from Porsche and Mercedes Benz........
All I'm saying is I have read more about issues with Pirellis than other tires.
Since you seem to be an all-knowing Pirelli rep from the way you are commenting, hopefully you would know that a set of P Zeros is a far different tire than a Scorpion. Tires on cars this price range are mostly chosen for cost savings and MPG. Get off your high horse
 
Well whaddaya know, I was scanning a different thread on Volvo wheels and tires and found this (quoted in bold):


#10 · Feb 22, 2022 (Edited)

If it means anything, the Pirelli's on our 2017, former 2020, and current 2021 were never smooth, never seemed fully balanced. And the weights never separated from the wheels. Putting Michelins on the 2017 really exposed how crappy the OEM Pirelli's are. 40k miles later with the Michelins and they're smoother than the Pirelli's ever were. Assuming this is the cause of tires, here's a video from my 2021 showing how bad the vibrations are, especially when sitting in the rear:


And another poster follows up with a different complaint. I get that this is a different car, different tire, but still, the evidence is adding up.
That was me. Pirelli’s are terrible. I cannot wait to wear the 2021’s out enough to need new tires.


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OK, this thread is getting more helpful by the hour -- great!

It's one thing to replace all four tires with tougher ones from a better manufacturer, and quite another to replace all four wheels, which could be $6K - $8K? Still waiting for answers from my dealer on whether I can stick 18" rims on my XC40 R-Design, which also has PoleStar.
 
All I'm saying is I have read more about issues with Pirellis than other tires.
Since you seem to be an all-knowing Pirelli rep from the way you are commenting, hopefully you would know that a set of P Zeros is a far different tire than a Scorpion. Tires on cars this price range are mostly chosen for cost savings and MPG. Get off your high horse
Yes yes….anyone with actual real first hand experience because they work at a dealer with literally thousands of cars and has sold thousands of tires has nothing to add to the conversation…..he’s just on a high horse.

Perelli tires are some of the most sought after and have one of the highest reputations in the world. I’ve owned a litany of and most of which have Pirelli tires and traveled hundreds of thousands of miles on them. But I’m sure I’m wrong since the manufacture of one of the most sought after SUV lineups in the world has chosen to use horrible terrible tires because they saved five dollars. They must be awful since Mercedes-Benz uses them on their most expensive SUV that cost over $200,000. Literally it’s the exact same tire but in a different size. Think about that. Geez
 
Yes yes….anyone with actual real first hand experience because they work at a dealer with literally thousands of cars and has sold thousands of tires has nothing to add to the conversation…..he’s just on a high horse.

Perelli tires are some of the most sought after and have one of the highest reputations in the world. I’ve owned a litany of and most of which have Pirelli tires and traveled hundreds of thousands of miles on them. But I’m sure I’m wrong since the manufacture of one of the most sought after SUV lineups in the world has chosen to use horrible terrible tires because they saved five dollars. They must be awful since Mercedes-Benz uses them on their most expensive SUV that cost over $200,000. Literally it’s the exact same tire but in a different size. Think about that. Geez
Whatever.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. If you already replaced the one with the original spec tire, run them until something else happens, if it ever comes. If it doesn’t, then replace them when they are worn out with whatever you like, and use that time (whenever it comes) to go to a smaller wheel if you want to at that point.
 
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Unfortunately I'd say that's how any tire would respond that isn't an off road tire. They're really made for the street. The lower profile means it doesn't take much to pinch them. Folks love em though.... bigger and bigger they go.

As for the VOC that's interesting. Though I'd say since it also uses cell service, unless it's got service and your phone doesn't, it wouldn't make much of a difference. Glad they were quick to respond, they usually are unless there is an outage. It should be fixed, but I can't say I'd see it as a major risk factor. The odds of being in an accident where it automatically calls because youre knocked out but the call saves life or limb are pretty remote.. they exist though.
Regarding the VOC: the Volvo description says something about a modem. For some reason I thought it was satellite-based. The SOS must be satellite, yes?
 
Thanks. Based on what you're saying, I should not expect these 20" wheels and tires to survive the occasional dirt road, so therefore my expectations at purchase were unreasonable and I've made a very costly mistake. That's important to know. Had I known this I would have waited 4-5 months for the next shipment of XCs with 18" wheels or just bought something else.

I'll now research how much it's going to cost me to trade in these 20" wheels for something more durable.
I totally agree with your dissatisfaction about low profile tires. I've posted before in this forum about the mysticism regarding the widespread choice of form-over-function choice regarding the very large wheel sizes, which then require low profile tires. In addition, these extremely large wheel sizes make it impossible to fit as correspondingly sized doughnut tire, let alone a full size spare, Plus, these large low-profile tires can be very expensive to replace and, in some cases, may be in limited supply. With this said, I don't see OEMs going back to smaller wheels, based on consumer demand and other factors.

You mentioned "had I known this...just bought something else", I guess there may be some SUVs and/or large cars that may have smaller wheels, and fewer still with a spare tire, but they may be like finding a needle-in-a-haystack. I really don't think this is a "Volvo" issue, but rather a general vehicle trend. When I factory ordered my 2020 V90 Inscription (non-CC, Non-R), I would have much preferred 18 inch wheels. Unfortunately, the smallest offered were 19 inch and I was told, at the time of placing my order, that "the most popular" were the 20 inch wheels, which I was encouraged to order, but declined. My 255/40/R19 low profile tires ride fairly hard, but at least my model has a doughnut spare tire in the rear storage area. At the earliest appropriate time, I intend to replace my Conti ProContac tires with Michelin Primacy Tour A/S tires.
 
Yeah, it's not a Volvo issue, it's the industry trend based on customer demand. Again though, a 4" rock is not small thing, that could damage all sorts of tires. The lower profile is going to be more prone to a "snakebite" type of damage than an 18". I think it's important to not that while these tires and wheels are more susceptible to damage, it's also what nearly everyone has... so it's not like all we do is replace blow outs and bent rims these days. Most folks go years without any problem at all. So if you go on a crusade against them, you will look like a crazy person.

Now the good thing is, it's a trend... so like I said, you can probably find someone who feels they got stuck with the cheapskate smaller wheels who will be thrilled to trade with you. The only cost is switching the wheels and getting the two cars calibrated, but far cheaper than buying another set of wheels and tires.
 
Yeah, it's not a Volvo issue, it's the industry trend based on customer demand. ... So if you go on a crusade against them, you will look like a crazy person.
LOL! I felt like a "crazy person" a few years ago, when I started my new car search and found out that many cars (at that time and even more so now) did not have a spare tire. I remember chanting that I'd never buy a car that didn't have a spare tire, and that run flat tires were an evil invention (I still feel that way, LOL!) I must hve come across like Don Quixote chasing windmills. Luckily for me, my 2020 V90 Inscription came with at least a doughnut spare and non-run-flat tires ... and then Volvo discontinued selling it in America ....
 
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LOL! I felt like a "crazy person" a few years ago, when I started my new car search and found out that many cars (at that time and even more so now) did not have a spare tire. I remember chanting that I'd never buy a car that didn't have a spare tire, and that run flat tires were an evil invention (I still feel that way, LOL!) I must hve come across like Don Quixote chasing windmills. Luckily for me, my 2020 V90 Inscription came with at least a doughnut spare and non-run-flat tires ... and then Volvo discontinued selling it in America ....
As I said in my original post, I was very impressed with the donut -- car handled perfectly at 50 MPH and did not seem to tilt. So it is a solid temporary solution.
 
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Yeah, it's not a Volvo issue, it's the industry trend based on customer demand. Again though, a 4" rock is not small thing, that could damage all sorts of tires. The lower profile is going to be more prone to a "snakebite" type of damage than an 18". I think it's important to not that while these tires and wheels are more susceptible to damage, it's also what nearly everyone has... so it's not like all we do is replace blow outs and bent rims these days. Most folks go years without any problem at all. So if you go on a crusade against them, you will look like a crazy person.

Now the good thing is, it's a trend... so like I said, you can probably find someone who feels they got stuck with the cheapskate smaller wheels who will be thrilled to trade with you. The only cost is switching the wheels and getting the two cars calibrated, but far cheaper than buying another set of wheels and tires.
I'm not on a "crusade." This was literally my first trip on a dirt road since I bought the car and I'll only go on dirt roads a few times per year. I have no intention to "off-road."

I feel strongly that Volvo sells these vehicles on the basis of strength, safety, and general solidity. Although 8" of ground clearance does not automatically mean that rough roads are manageable, it does imply that the vehicle is designed for more than smooth pavement. That's why I bought it. It should handle reasonable potholes and flat dirt roads. It should've handled the situation I was in on Thursday -- 100% should've handled it with no hassle, as dozens of other cars have handled that road and driveway for many years without a tire bust -- including my own hyper-sensitive and delicate BMW 335, which has been up and down that road and driveway many times with no issues.

No amount of irritated posters (all much smarter and wiser than me, no doubt) telling me how unreasonable nor stupid I am will have any effect on me right now. You can't sell a solid SUV with tires that go "boom" at the smallest rock. Perhaps Volvo needs to step up and disclaim their own setups, loud and clear, before purchase -- e.g. "This vehicle is not designed for dirt roads, period! Small rocks may harm your tires! Pirellis are for smooth pavement only!" or whatever is necessary -- and make sure that dealers have 18" wheels in the pipe and that these can be swapped upon customer request -- even for a fee, if necessary. If that sounds unreasonable, well, go peddle your comments and attacks somewhere else. I have the right to my opinion, even if it is wrong, because I've just had an actual experience with a brand-new vehicle that was infuriating and expensive, costing me a half-day's work in addition to the $435.00.

That said, I'm willing to be wrong -- perhaps this was a "freak" event. I certainly hope so for the sake of my health and finances. Time will tell. If I have another "crater event" before 40,000 miles, I will definitely swap out the wheels to the next bidder.

Like I said, I will follow up on this as experiences unfold, and I will tell the truth.
 
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OK, dealer says that the R-Design wheels cannot be replaced with smaller. I'm stuck with these 20" wheels. I hope that a manufacturer out there comes up with a tougher tire for this wheel. Over and out.
 
OK, dealer says that the R-Design wheels cannot be replaced with smaller. I'm stuck with these 20" wheels. I hope that a manufacturer out there comes up with a tougher tire for this wheel. Over and out.
Find a different dealer. The R-Design can be equipped with 19s from the factory, and 18s from the Momentum fit over the brakes on all trims
 
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They're telling me that the brakes and rotors are too big for any other wheel size -- not true?
Correct - that’s false. 18s will fit no problem
 
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