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Modified by McDonald at 5:18 AM 5-9-2007
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BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo
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Re: BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo (McDonald)
I like Volvo precisely because it's not BMW.
The pompous and arrogance stigma that is associated with the brand and BMM ownership is not something I comprehend or want to be part of.
Volvo is practical. The car design is purposeful. Volvo offers a good quality product that offers luxury above more pedestrian brands without taking it to the look at me I drive a _______ stigma.
I wouldn't be interested in buying a product from this merger. Too much overlap in product and I think the Volvoness would be lost in the mix.
I like Volvo precisely because it's not BMW.
The pompous and arrogance stigma that is associated with the brand and BMM ownership is not something I comprehend or want to be part of.
Volvo is practical. The car design is purposeful. Volvo offers a good quality product that offers luxury above more pedestrian brands without taking it to the look at me I drive a _______ stigma.
I wouldn't be interested in buying a product from this merger. Too much overlap in product and I think the Volvoness would be lost in the mix.
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Re: BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo (Shomare)
A helluva lot better than Volvo loosing its Volvoness to Ford products (at least US-sourced Ford's).
| Quote, originally posted by Shomare » |
| I I wouldn't be interested in buying a product from this merger. Too much overlap in product and I think the Volvoness would be lost in the mix. |
A helluva lot better than Volvo loosing its Volvoness to Ford products (at least US-sourced Ford's).
Re: (JARMO)
The S40's market/price/size position is kinda awkward now that the C30 has been released. But I guess the 2 can work together to compete with the 1 series.
Agreed.
I would say the S80 is definitely above the 5, but below a 7 in terms of (market/price/size) position.
I would say the XC90 competes directly with the X5, but it's larger size is it's competitive advantage.
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| S40 is below 3' |
| Quote, originally posted by JARMO » |
| s60 is same size as 3' but Volvo has more powerfull engines (excluding R and M, both are other market) |
| Quote, originally posted by JARMO » |
| new s80 is ± same as 5' Volvo has no 7' competitor |
| Quote, originally posted by JARMO » |
xc90 is larger than x5 (and new X5 is also a small car 
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Re: BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo (Shomare)
CORRECT! http://********************/smile/emthup.gif
| Quote, originally posted by Shomare » |
| I like Volvo precisely because it's not BMW. The pompous and arrogance stigma that is associated with the brand and BMM ownership is not something I comprehend or want to be part of. Volvo is practical. The car design is purposeful. Volvo offers a good quality product that offers luxury above more pedestrian brands without taking it to the look at me I drive a _______ stigma. I wouldn't be interested in buying a product from this merger. Too much overlap in product and I think the Volvoness would be lost in the mix. |
| Quote, originally posted by Shomare » |
| BS! For all the bitching, it hasn't happened. Both companies have benefited to date. |
CORRECT! http://********************/smile/emthup.gif
Re: BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo (Alex960)
There are other things to consider when pondering this. Ford just announced they are closing their arizona proving grounds. They are closing it because they have virtually taken over volvo's site. they have added a new huge building and several new tracks. why would they close their own hot weather site that they have had since the 1950s if they wouldn't have access to the volvo site? also, ford isn't nearly done stripping volvo of their technology. they love what volvo offers and always bring volvo engineers in to dearborn to "tell them what they are thinking". they have also mortgaged the entire VCC organization to citicorp, as was discussed before. i think this whole thing is unlikely. finally, the serious automotive press (automotive news, autoweek, detroit news) haven't mentioned this at all, not even referencing the blog stuff - that says a lot.
There are other things to consider when pondering this. Ford just announced they are closing their arizona proving grounds. They are closing it because they have virtually taken over volvo's site. they have added a new huge building and several new tracks. why would they close their own hot weather site that they have had since the 1950s if they wouldn't have access to the volvo site? also, ford isn't nearly done stripping volvo of their technology. they love what volvo offers and always bring volvo engineers in to dearborn to "tell them what they are thinking". they have also mortgaged the entire VCC organization to citicorp, as was discussed before. i think this whole thing is unlikely. finally, the serious automotive press (automotive news, autoweek, detroit news) haven't mentioned this at all, not even referencing the blog stuff - that says a lot.
Re: BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo (mjbr24)
First up I have to agree with Shomare ..... where I live as well the lesser BM's are the aspirant status symbols of the wannabees living to the limit on credit.
And I freely admit I did drive a 325 Schnitzer 20 years ago, loved every minute in it but the 3 series has lost something since then, which might come back with the 1 series 3.0 and 3.5 motors
But ........ BM just won a load of world best engine categories including their new 3 series coupe turbo model, by all accounts a real beaut, so what is there for them to gain from Volvo ?
Perhaps an in-house manufacturer of quality components, rather than relying on outside companies ......
First up I have to agree with Shomare ..... where I live as well the lesser BM's are the aspirant status symbols of the wannabees living to the limit on credit.
And I freely admit I did drive a 325 Schnitzer 20 years ago, loved every minute in it but the 3 series has lost something since then, which might come back with the 1 series 3.0 and 3.5 motors
But ........ BM just won a load of world best engine categories including their new 3 series coupe turbo model, by all accounts a real beaut, so what is there for them to gain from Volvo ?
Perhaps an in-house manufacturer of quality components, rather than relying on outside companies ......
Re: Volvo Vs BMW model line up
I disagree with the majority of the posters on this thread.
I think the S40/S60/S80 are in direct correlation with the 3/5/7 series that BMW offers. You can't compare them based on price alone. The basic mission of each model is related. What you have is a different philosophy of what each model represents. Volvo engineer their models with value as a factor. BMW builds cars purely based on performance and luxury, then prices the car accordingly. Thus you will never find a Volvo the size of the 3 series costing USD40,000, because the value factor would be gone. In other words, Volvo creates quality cars while BMW creates luxury cars. In addition, BMW adds a premium in order to safe-keep their brand.
Volvo represents what I value. Quality without the pretentious factor. The price you pay is earned by every car. But more than anything, the cars are awesome to drive.
Mike
I disagree with the majority of the posters on this thread.
I think the S40/S60/S80 are in direct correlation with the 3/5/7 series that BMW offers. You can't compare them based on price alone. The basic mission of each model is related. What you have is a different philosophy of what each model represents. Volvo engineer their models with value as a factor. BMW builds cars purely based on performance and luxury, then prices the car accordingly. Thus you will never find a Volvo the size of the 3 series costing USD40,000, because the value factor would be gone. In other words, Volvo creates quality cars while BMW creates luxury cars. In addition, BMW adds a premium in order to safe-keep their brand.
Volvo represents what I value. Quality without the pretentious factor. The price you pay is earned by every car. But more than anything, the cars are awesome to drive.
Mike
Re: Volvo Vs BMW model line up (blueleo65)
I have to disagree slightly...
I think Lexus is Volvo's toughest competitor...
S40/ IS -S60/ES - S80/GS
XC90/ GX
Volvo's are nice to drive, but I can't say that they're awesome...but sure are comfortable http://********************/smile/emthup.gif
oh, so
isn't arrogance. ? Volvo is just as pedestrian and everything else.
Modified by nobbe3728 at 1:16 PM 5-20-2007
| Quote, originally posted by blueleo65 » |
| Volvo represents what I value. Quality without the pretentious factor. The price you pay is earned by every car. But more than anything, the cars are awesome to drive. Mike |
I have to disagree slightly...
I think Lexus is Volvo's toughest competitor...
S40/ IS -S60/ES - S80/GS
XC90/ GX
Volvo's are nice to drive, but I can't say that they're awesome...but sure are comfortable http://********************/smile/emthup.gif
| Quote, originally posted by Shomare » |
| I like Volvo precisely because it's not BMW. The pompous and arrogance stigma that is associated with the brand and BMM ownership is not something I comprehend or want to be part of. |
oh, so
| Quote, originally posted by Shomare » |
Volvo offers a good quality product that offers luxury above more pedestrian brands without taking it to the look at me I drive a _______ stigma. |
isn't arrogance. ? Volvo is just as pedestrian and everything else.
Modified by nobbe3728 at 1:16 PM 5-20-2007
Re: Volvo Vs BMW model line up (nobbe3728)
Um... IS is at least as large as a S60, right? So why is it competing with the S40?
| Quote, originally posted by nobbe3728 » |
I think Lexus is Volvo's toughest competitor... S40/ IS -S60/ES - S80/GS Modified by nobbe3728 at 1:16 PM 5-20-2007 |
Um... IS is at least as large as a S60, right? So why is it competing with the S40?
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Re: BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo (McDonald)
I hope Volvo gets sold...
As to whom... hey why not Toyota. At least Toyota has deep pockets, they could ensure Volvo's long term existence. Plus the Japanese don't give up easy, they would work Volvo until it is a major brand that sells well. Think of how many hybrid Volvo's one could sell... Hybrid XC90...
As to BMW... hey if they pay well. They seem to be interested to get some FWD knowledge... also their AWD system is OK but not stellar. Plus... the Bavarians make good beer. Now Swedes like good Beer. BMW could position Volvo one tick under BMW and sell quite a few well made cars.
Lets face it, Detroit builds poor products these days, folks down there be it Chrysler, Ford or GM behave like bean counters. If they could sell their stuff without a paint job... they would. Who cares about the F150... but that is the only thing Ford makes money on.
Just look what they do... drop the R, discount everything, now discount the new S80, poor marketing, they never upgraded the R engine to more power. Not to mention the poor brakes every US build Ford gets.
Hey Ford... here is an idea... remove the brakes from your cars... they don't do much anyways... simply replace em with a Chinese made Virgin Marie statue keychain that you hook up to the ceter mirror. In case of a crash... Ford could always blame the Virgin Marie for not helping to decelerate the vehicle that was involved in a crash. Then the lawyers can always sue the Vatican.
Come on... good brakes are an essential safety feature!
I mean, if Detroit is to start a turn around they should stop blaming the unions for all their troubles, lots of their problems come from badly designed products, that no one wants. That are all decisions takes by some dumb management folks... has nothing to do with the guy who puts in the car windows.
I sure hope that if Volvo remains with Ford, that they shape up. One would expect a well known company like Ford to make decent products for all their brand names. My feeling is that they're trying very hard with Volvo, but they need to do better, not only with Volvo but with all their Brands.
Now... let me make this clear... I would be more then happy if Ford did better, because more competition always results in better products.
Regards,
Coolknight
Modified by Coolknight at 5:43 PM 5-25-2007
I hope Volvo gets sold...
As to whom... hey why not Toyota. At least Toyota has deep pockets, they could ensure Volvo's long term existence. Plus the Japanese don't give up easy, they would work Volvo until it is a major brand that sells well. Think of how many hybrid Volvo's one could sell... Hybrid XC90...
As to BMW... hey if they pay well. They seem to be interested to get some FWD knowledge... also their AWD system is OK but not stellar. Plus... the Bavarians make good beer. Now Swedes like good Beer. BMW could position Volvo one tick under BMW and sell quite a few well made cars.
Lets face it, Detroit builds poor products these days, folks down there be it Chrysler, Ford or GM behave like bean counters. If they could sell their stuff without a paint job... they would. Who cares about the F150... but that is the only thing Ford makes money on.
Just look what they do... drop the R, discount everything, now discount the new S80, poor marketing, they never upgraded the R engine to more power. Not to mention the poor brakes every US build Ford gets.
Hey Ford... here is an idea... remove the brakes from your cars... they don't do much anyways... simply replace em with a Chinese made Virgin Marie statue keychain that you hook up to the ceter mirror. In case of a crash... Ford could always blame the Virgin Marie for not helping to decelerate the vehicle that was involved in a crash. Then the lawyers can always sue the Vatican.
Come on... good brakes are an essential safety feature!
I mean, if Detroit is to start a turn around they should stop blaming the unions for all their troubles, lots of their problems come from badly designed products, that no one wants. That are all decisions takes by some dumb management folks... has nothing to do with the guy who puts in the car windows.
I sure hope that if Volvo remains with Ford, that they shape up. One would expect a well known company like Ford to make decent products for all their brand names. My feeling is that they're trying very hard with Volvo, but they need to do better, not only with Volvo but with all their Brands.
Now... let me make this clear... I would be more then happy if Ford did better, because more competition always results in better products.
Regards,
Coolknight
Modified by Coolknight at 5:43 PM 5-25-2007
Re: BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo (Coolknight)
Cope does.
| Quote, originally posted by Coolknight » |
| Lets face it, Detroit builds poor products these days, folks down there be it Chrysler, Ford or GM behave like bean counters. If they could sell their stuff without a paint job... they would. Who cares about the F150... but that is the only thing Ford makes money on. |
Cope does.
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Re: BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo (MagoonR)
Pls requote me. I was still working on my post... did a save not to lose it.
Thx.
Pls requote me. I was still working on my post... did a save not to lose it.
Thx.
Re: man up (trapper)
Rotsa ruck with this one. Ford needs Volvo as a development area to help its domestic cars. Besides, Volvo AB doesn't have the resources to turn models over or develop new models very quickly.......as you witnessed under its previous ownership.
| Quote, originally posted by trapper » |
| I think that volvo should act like its logo and buy itself back!!! http://********************/smile/emthup.gif |
Rotsa ruck with this one. Ford needs Volvo as a development area to help its domestic cars. Besides, Volvo AB doesn't have the resources to turn models over or develop new models very quickly.......as you witnessed under its previous ownership.
Re: BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo (Coolknight)
Volvo doesn't eaxactly build the best products either....
I mean, if Detroit is to start a turn around they should stop blaming the unions for all their troubles, lots of their problems come from badly designed products, that no one wants. That are all decisions takes by some dumb management folks... has nothing to do with the guy who puts in the car windows.
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Well, when your employees take almost half of your money, it's hard not to blame them...look at Hyundai..ya think they pay much for health coverage in Korea? NO!
As for Toyota buying Volvo....maybe. Toyota shouldn't waste their money. They're in the business to make money, not lose it.
Modified by nobbe3728 at 9:07 PM 5-25-2007
| Quote, originally posted by Coolknight » |
| I hope Volvo gets sold... Lets face it, Detroit builds poor products these days, folks down there be it Chrysler, Ford or GM behave like bean counters. If they could sell their stuff without a paint job... they would. Who cares about the F150... but that is the only thing Ford makes money on. |
Volvo doesn't eaxactly build the best products either....
I mean, if Detroit is to start a turn around they should stop blaming the unions for all their troubles, lots of their problems come from badly designed products, that no one wants. That are all decisions takes by some dumb management folks... has nothing to do with the guy who puts in the car windows.
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Well, when your employees take almost half of your money, it's hard not to blame them...look at Hyundai..ya think they pay much for health coverage in Korea? NO!
As for Toyota buying Volvo....maybe. Toyota shouldn't waste their money. They're in the business to make money, not lose it.
Modified by nobbe3728 at 9:07 PM 5-25-2007
Re: BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo (McDonald)
Looks like BMW i still intrested... Friday news in FT.....
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/b7d4f9....html
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Looks like BMW i still intrested... Friday news in FT.....
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/b7d4f9....html
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Re: (Haraldson)
"A second source, close to BMW, confirmed that a Volvo cars sale process is currently taking place. He also confirmed that BMW is looking at Volvo Cars' books but does not believe that the German company will end up buying Volvo Cars.
"BMW has already everything that Volvo cars cannot offer," the source said. "
| Quote, originally posted by Haraldson » |
| MAKE IT HAPPEN! |
"A second source, close to BMW, confirmed that a Volvo cars sale process is currently taking place. He also confirmed that BMW is looking at Volvo Cars' books but does not believe that the German company will end up buying Volvo Cars.
"BMW has already everything that Volvo cars cannot offer," the source said. "
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