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BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo
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Re: BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo (McDonald)
I'm kind of surprised since they're still a small independent company compared to the VW, Daimler Chrysler, etc auto companies. And the last time they bought another company, it didn't turn out so well.
But it is an interesting idea.
I'm kind of surprised since they're still a small independent company compared to the VW, Daimler Chrysler, etc auto companies. And the last time they bought another company, it didn't turn out so well.
But it is an interesting idea.
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for some reason that link doesn't work. go here and click on the "BMW: we'd like to buy volvo" link
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Re: (phuz)
I would too. Very, very happy. Well, as long as they didn't price Volvos like BMW's.
Unfortunately it sounds from the article like it's no longer a consideration. Hard to tell, as they don't say either way, but from the tense and tone of the writing, sounds like the plan bit the dust.
| Quote, originally posted by phuz » |
| i think i would be happy with a bmw ownership of volvo. |
I would too. Very, very happy. Well, as long as they didn't price Volvos like BMW's.
Unfortunately it sounds from the article like it's no longer a consideration. Hard to tell, as they don't say either way, but from the tense and tone of the writing, sounds like the plan bit the dust.
Re: (Needsdecaf)
Having been a rep for BOTH BMW and Volvo....I would rather see Volvo AB buy back Volvo Cars and then buy BMW!!!! Then co-ordinate that with Volvo's takeover of Nissan Trucks....which would insure that Volvo makes the $$ profits...not BMW!
The one thing that would concern me is that BMW builds NONE of it's own components. They design the systems, then contract everything out to vendors, then bring everything back to a final assembly plant. At least Volvo does manufacture some of their own components.
Plus....BMW might be highly motivated to expand it's US assembly operations....which would again concern me.....in that it may have a negative impact on the Overseas Delivery Program....to which I am both emotionally and financially tied to!
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Leaving Ford would not bother me...although, I don't have any real complaints with the way Ford has treated Volvo....
Having been a rep for BOTH BMW and Volvo....I would rather see Volvo AB buy back Volvo Cars and then buy BMW!!!! Then co-ordinate that with Volvo's takeover of Nissan Trucks....which would insure that Volvo makes the $$ profits...not BMW!
The one thing that would concern me is that BMW builds NONE of it's own components. They design the systems, then contract everything out to vendors, then bring everything back to a final assembly plant. At least Volvo does manufacture some of their own components.
Plus....BMW might be highly motivated to expand it's US assembly operations....which would again concern me.....in that it may have a negative impact on the Overseas Delivery Program....to which I am both emotionally and financially tied to!
Leaving Ford would not bother me...although, I don't have any real complaints with the way Ford has treated Volvo....
Re: (Bender)
But that's the beauty........Volvo doesn't compete with BMW (at least not in an obvious fashion). If the S40 competes against the 3er, does the S60 compete against the 5er or also the 3er. If the S60 competes with the 5er, does the S80 compete with the 7er or also the 5er? I have a headache now.
| Quote, originally posted by Bender » |
| reading that article BMW would not continue production of volvo models that compete with BMW products... no S60 ever again probably |
But that's the beauty........Volvo doesn't compete with BMW (at least not in an obvious fashion). If the S40 competes against the 3er, does the S60 compete against the 5er or also the 3er. If the S60 competes with the 5er, does the S80 compete with the 7er or also the 5er? I have a headache now.
Re: (Bender)
Well the first thing I thought after reading that was BMW could drop their AWD models and focus on RWD.
Volvo could then focus on FWD and AWD at the lower price range.
But yeah, it sounds like it was just a thought for BMW.
And what engine would they use? Would Volvos have BMW engines then? And BMW suspensions? Then that would be a bit iffy. And since BMW is all about the sport sedan, well you can be sure that the R would be gone permanently and any potential sporting pretensions Volvo has would be gone too. I really don't think it will happen.
But imagine for a second... the next gen S60 T6 with a 2.5L Valvetronic twin-turbo I5 mated to a SMG transmission with an optional R sport suspension package, active roll bars, and RWD-biased xDrive AWD system, tested on the Nurburgring. And at current S60 prices with an automatic $3000 discount, plus loyalty discount, because sales are so slow... I think I can live with that.
| Quote, originally posted by Bender » |
| reading that article BMW would not continue production of volvo models that compete with BMW products... no S60 ever again probably |
Well the first thing I thought after reading that was BMW could drop their AWD models and focus on RWD.
Volvo could then focus on FWD and AWD at the lower price range.
But yeah, it sounds like it was just a thought for BMW.
And what engine would they use? Would Volvos have BMW engines then? And BMW suspensions? Then that would be a bit iffy. And since BMW is all about the sport sedan, well you can be sure that the R would be gone permanently and any potential sporting pretensions Volvo has would be gone too. I really don't think it will happen.
But imagine for a second... the next gen S60 T6 with a 2.5L Valvetronic twin-turbo I5 mated to a SMG transmission with an optional R sport suspension package, active roll bars, and RWD-biased xDrive AWD system, tested on the Nurburgring. And at current S60 prices with an automatic $3000 discount, plus loyalty discount, because sales are so slow... I think I can live with that.
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Re: (eurotrash)
T6 with an I5 engine?
Strange.
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| Quote, originally posted by eurotrash » |
But imagine for a second... the next gen S60 T6 with a 2.5L Valvetronic twin-turbo I5 mated to a SMG transmission with an optional R sport suspension package, active roll bars, and RWD-biased xDrive AWD system, tested on the Nurburgring. And at current S60 prices with an automatic $3000 discount, plus loyalty discount, because sales are so slow... I think I can live with that. |
T6 with an I5 engine?
Strange.
Re: BMW: we'd like to buy Volvo (McDonald)
Great.
THe bmw's are really not overpriced.
Look at the 335i compared to the s60? 50k loaded for both.
I agree that bmw's are much better rear wheel drive and volvo's are great awd.
Ford is sinking fast and bmw is very well off.
Imagine an inline 6 twin turbo s60R
Great.
THe bmw's are really not overpriced.
Look at the 335i compared to the s60? 50k loaded for both.
I agree that bmw's are much better rear wheel drive and volvo's are great awd.
Ford is sinking fast and bmw is very well off.
Imagine an inline 6 twin turbo s60R
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Re: (universityvolvoOSD)
Bob, BMW's OSD program is likely second only to Volvo in popularity. Maybe it would be a chance for expansion for you. http://********************/smile/emthup.gif http://********************/smile/emthup.gif
By the way, I have huge bottle of your favorite beer sitting in my refrigerator. It looks like a bottle of champagne. I got it for my 40th last month. I'll think of you when I drink it!
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| Quote, originally posted by universityvolvoOSD » |
| in that it may have a negative impact on the Overseas Delivery Program....to which I am both emotionally and financially tied to!
Leaving Ford would not bother me...although, I don't have any real complaints with the way Ford has treated Volvo.... |
Bob, BMW's OSD program is likely second only to Volvo in popularity. Maybe it would be a chance for expansion for you. http://********************/smile/emthup.gif http://********************/smile/emthup.gif
By the way, I have huge bottle of your favorite beer sitting in my refrigerator. It looks like a bottle of champagne. I got it for my 40th last month. I'll think of you when I drink it!
Re: (Token)
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design is Volvo, safety is also point for Volvo ... the engine is confusing me, you must refer that BMW will deliver the great engines than ->
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in what point of view are BMW-engine greater than Volvo ones
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not in durabilty and the powerfull-ones (READ: M-engines) "smell" even harder
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S40 is below 3'
s60 is same size as 3' but Volvo has more powerfull engines (excluding R and M, both are other market)
new s80 is ± same as 5'
Volvo has no 7' competitor
xc90 is larger than x5 (and new X5 is also a small car
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Volvo Diesel engine are not as good as BMW ones ..but Volvo has better exhaust system
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Intake valvetronic from BMW is just a big joke ... the single-throttlehouse from Volvo rules!!!
the turbo's BMW use on their diesel are crap ... the mitsu's Volvo use rul e and can't break (the KKK seems also strong).
The electric in BMW are worser than the worst Italian joke you can think of about this ... and I mean ALL electric parts: lights, combi's, radio's , nav-systems , sensors (ABS, camshaft,....)
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| Quote, originally posted by Token » |
| Then we would have great engines, great design, and great safety. |
S40 is below 3'
s60 is same size as 3' but Volvo has more powerfull engines (excluding R and M, both are other market)
new s80 is ± same as 5'
Volvo has no 7' competitor
xc90 is larger than x5 (and new X5 is also a small car
Volvo Diesel engine are not as good as BMW ones ..but Volvo has better exhaust system
Intake valvetronic from BMW is just a big joke ... the single-throttlehouse from Volvo rules!!!
the turbo's BMW use on their diesel are crap ... the mitsu's Volvo use rul e and can't break (the KKK seems also strong).
The electric in BMW are worser than the worst Italian joke you can think of about this ... and I mean ALL electric parts: lights, combi's, radio's , nav-systems , sensors (ABS, camshaft,....)
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