R vs. EVO or STi

zigger · May 30, 2006

Hey guys I had a Sti pushing 344 whp it was a fun car and all but I needed abit more finess . The car was crazy fast.. but it had maintnance issues. I had to constantly check the dip stick for oil because it was burning oil like crazy. The struts were going every 3 -5 months and it was way to ricer looking for me. To be honest I felt like a Idiot wearing a suit to go see clients in my Sti. I had fun with it tho and now some rich kid is probably beating on it.. I soild it with forged CP piston, injectors, fuel pump, 20G turbo upgrade hks BOV, 3 " greddy exhaust hks downpipe headers coilovers 2 sets of rims but I got really good money for it. Also I had the sickest colour combo IMO white /gold and gunmetal rims for winter

Btw. Stock for stock the sti/evo will beat a R from 0-100 mph TRUST me after that they are slowww.. A r would eat a sti/evo from a roll stock for stock from 50-130 mph. But like I said a 3 " TBE and engine mangement will make them fast all aorund.

Here is a summer pic

here is winter pic

and here is a Video I made when I had 3 " tbe and Ecutek with headers

http://media.putfile.com/0-235-kmh

pie_ya · May 30, 2006

Re: (zigger)

Check out these two videos. The first is an Evo drifting like crazy and then takes a corner too fast and flips. This is not an attempt to discredit any cars at all.

http://videos.streetfire.net/p...4&p=3

This second one is of a WRX and another car hiting the same corner at 148 mph. The WRX didn't flip but the second flipped about 6 times in a couple of seconds.

http://videos.streetfire.net/P...8&p=0

Jay_SB · May 30, 2006

Re: (pie_ya)

I really don't think someone looking at an R is looking at an EVO/STi when shopping.

The EVO and STi are great cars for sports cars. Although they're both tin cans. A friend of mine had an EVO with 890whp and it got hit by a truck at 30mph and totalled. The interior and build quality is crap (err well not luxurious by any means)

In other words, if you want comfort with a little bit of sport you go Volvo, Audi, BMW, etc.

If you want full on race with very little comfort you go Japanese

zigger · May 30, 2006

I wish I can keep both!

PhilUp · May 31, 2006

Re: (mister2cool)

Quote, originally posted by mister2cool »

Things I hated:
1. Seats
2. Noise
3. No sunroof
4. No leather
5. No heated seats
6. The headache and backache everytime coming out of the car from the noise and bumps

Subaru is coming out with the STi Limited next year. No rear spoiler, heated leather seats, sunroof, black Brembo calipers, additional sound insulation, upgraded stereo, and more small additions. Basically a stealthy more liveable daily STi.

Oh and I'd so hit one of these

Red60R · May 31, 2006

Re: (zigger)

Ok, looks like I'm joining this thread pretty late and most people have already pointed out the arguments for either of the cars. I had an Sti, before I bought my R. The sti is not a "refined" car in a sense that it has the nice leather, the heated seats, etc. But the best way I can sum that car up is like a street legal go-cart. The car handled incredibly, had very sticky tires, and great acceleration. It would pin your head back if you were brave enough to do a 5-6K clutch dump (which I didn't do that often). The car had great power and very little lag in the lower gears. As you moved up in the gearing it still pulled pretty hard above 4k. It had AWD like the R but came with summer tires so people like myself had to swap out to M3's or something for the winter time. The sti is definitely faster and like some people said, from a mod point of view it is very cheap to make the car easily do 12's in the 1/4. The sti is a great car for its purpose, just remember that when blasting it.
The R doesn't handle nearly as well, doesn't accelerate nearly as well but its because its meant for a different audience. Like the one other guy who posted, I have a family...my wife was tired of the "ironing board" (as we called it for the wing) on the back. It drew tons of attention from people in their modded civics and all that. I was tired of all that. The R looks much better in my opinion, especially with the sport kit, the stereo blows my subaru stereo away, the seats are a million times more comfortable on long trips. I like the little things like the auto on lights and wipers. My wife loves how the stereo tells you the title and artist of a particular song. It's much quieter, the ride is much superior in my opinion (minus the on the edge handling the sti gave you).
One interesting point about the acceleration. I belong to a number of forums and very commonly you'd see the guys with the 350z's saying that they had beaten sti's from 55+ roll on races. These were often threads with "no you can't....yes I did....etc...etc".......well, more and more people posted that they had beaten the sti in highway runs. What I found interesting over the past few months is how many of them have posted that they have lost the same sort of race to the R. You'd think that with both cars at the same HP but the sti weighing considerably less that it would still out perform the R. I don't know their respective aerodynamic coefficient numbers but I suspect that the R is more aerodynamic and hence has less drag than the sti at highway speeds. The only other option would be that perhaps the sti's drivetrain is more inefficient than the R so the R has more power. Only problem I have with that argument is that drivetrain loss is linear so you'd think if he beat us down low then he'd keep the same advantage. Maybe its in the launch vs no launch. Not sure how they launched the R for all those magazine road test numbers.
When I get my new BSR set up this week at least I'll make it closer

MagoonR · May 31, 2006

Re: (Red60R)

Quote, originally posted by Red60R »

It had AWD like the R but came with summer tires so people like myself had to swap out to M3's or something for the winter time.

Surprise, the PZeros are summer tires as well. If you don't want to wreck the R, all seasons or a second set of wheels/tires is needed here too.

Quote, originally posted by Red60R »

The only other option would be that perhaps the sti's drivetrain is more inefficient than the R so the R has more power. Only problem I have with that argument is that drivetrain loss is linear so you'd think if he beat us down low then he'd keep the same advantage. Maybe its in the launch vs no launch. Not sure how they launched the R for all those magazine road test numbers.

The Sti is probably geared a lot lower so the drivetrain pulls more power off the line but runs out of steam at the top end.

I Roll · May 31, 2006

Re: (MagoonR)

They all seem to have their advantages. I get that same voice in my head, at least with the STi (not a big Mitsu fan), and I think it ends up being "the grass is greener on the other side" type of thing. I truly think if I traded the R for one of these I would be kicking myself for a long time.

GrecianVolvo · May 31, 2006

Re: R vs. EVO or STi (KillerB)

Quote, originally posted by KillerB »

I know Cloaked brings all 3 cars with him to the track...the Evo, STi, and the R. Takes turns in the cars. Actually the Evo belongs to a buddy of his that he races with. I've asked him about the cars and to sum it up...the Evo and STi are for the track and the R is to take someone to dinner in. The STi and the Evo are pretty effective around the track, but I would want one as a daily driver.

Here is Cloaked and his buddy with all 3 cars at the California speedway at our last race.

Bryan,

I know where Rancho Santa Margarita is but where is that speedway? I need to know all that stuff since I will be in California by the end of June!

Yannis

HJZ · May 31, 2006

Quote »

i'm not sure i see myself in an EVO. the EVO conjures up images of 21 yeard old guys with their nose pierced and a baseball cap on backwards....with stickers all over the car.

You know, as a follow up, I have to mention this. I was at a car show today, a kind of a local gathering that involves cars of all generations and types. Well, as I am sitting there chit chatting with a friend, a silver Evo pulls up, a 20 somthing year old with nose and ear piercing, baseball cap driving, and a couple of stickes here and there. I watched and thought of this thread.

KillerB · May 31, 2006

Re: R vs. EVO or STi (GrecianVolvo)

Quote, originally posted by GrecianVolvo »

Bryan,

I know where Rancho Santa Margarita is but where is that speedway? I need to know all that stuff since I will be in California by the end of June!

Yannis

Hey Yannis

Thats in Fontana. It's about an hour from me. Maybe 2 hours from SD. You'll want clear traveling instructions on getting there because Fontana will be a part of town that can turn bad to worse very quickly.

Coming from San Diego, just head up the 15 fwy North...the one that goes to Vegas from SD. You'll pass a few freeways, but keep an eye out for the 10 fwy when you pass over the 60 fwy. I believe you can get off on Foothill Blvd and go east 2 miles or cut over onto the 10 fwy and take Cherry or Serra and go north 2 miles.

Best bet is to plug The California Speedway in Fontana into your Nav system. Your pretty safe if you don't go east from the track.

A few of us in the area watch this site:

http://www.speedventures.com/

Cloaked got me involved with that group, and there is a few more tracks in the area that come up on that site. I also keep an eye on the Audi club since Gary@Ronal Wheels got me to go to an event. There a few good 2 courses with that group that concentrate on driving skills, but it's a lot of fun.

Drop me an E-mail if want to go to one of these events. I'm stuck in Hawaii from this July to November, but there is a few weeks that I'll be on the main land. Trying to pencil business stuff around the fun track days, but it doesn't always work out.

Token Blk Guy · May 31, 2006

Re: R vs. EVO or STi (KillerB)

Man some good feed back here. I am pretty new to this board and within 12 months( moving to Korea for a year) i am going to purchase a new car when i get back. I was initially looking at the EVO and STI and then i came across the R and ever since then my heart has been drawn to the R. I really dont like the Evo i have driven two and for some odd reason the inside of the cabin rattled and squeeked on both of them. The MR and the Evo 8. I really dont like the wing on either of the cars but i was told the Power numbers you can attain were insane. I havent had a chance to drive and STI but i got some good pointers just from reading this. I guess what it boils down to is what you want in a car. Where i live the inport, boy racer look is outragous. I cant go anywhere( currently drive a slightly modded prelude) without being harrashed by Sac PD or CHP or the civics and HypeR's for some highway or street fun. Im getting tired of this, i cant go to get gas or milk and eggs without someone wanting to race me.

I think i am going to go with the R because the seats are the poop, i dont see any of them around sac -i see at least 3 evo's STi's a day, the cops wont even blink twice when i am blasting down i-80, and its time to leave the boy racer look to the younger crowd. I know the R cant produce the sme power numbers as the evo and STI for the same amount of money but it the "wow what kind of car is that" when money invested into the right parts can make an R just as fun to drive as those 2 rally cars!

mister2cool · May 31, 2006

Re: (PhilUp)

Quote, originally posted by PhilUp »

Subaru is coming out with the STi Limited next year. No rear spoiler, heated leather seats, sunroof, black Brembo calipers, additional sound insulation, upgraded stereo, and more small additions. Basically a stealthy more liveable daily STi.
Oh and I'd so hit one of these

yeah I am fully aware of the Limited. I would have gotten one without a second thought if this came out 3 years ago. I maybe biased but Subaru has served me well. Mom had a Legacy wagon for many years, and I had to use it to try to tow an Expedition out of snow once in VT.

One the flip side, an STi with that much refinement is really not longer a true STi. STi owners are looking for top notch performance with a fairly low budget, this limited edition is probably 500lbs heavier than the original which would bring all the numbers down a few notchs, and cost at least 5K more. What majority of STi crowd really wanted to see was the RS model, which has NOTHING inside - a hole on the roof for air circulation.

Lastly, only 800 STi Limited will be made, so good luck to anyone who wants to get one. I don't even want to know how much the MSRP will be.

Vipergtsz3 · Jun 1, 2006

Re: R vs. EVO or STi (23109VC)

As posted, just make a compromise and make sure that you somehow get yourself onto that list of only 800 Sti Limited editions coming out that have leather, heated seats, and a smaller rear spoiler that doesn't look like it was formerly part of a bi-plane. This car was at the NY auto show, and I think it's in June's Automobile mag.

zigger · Jun 1, 2006

I owned a Sti for 2 years to long It was in mint condition see pics on 1st page and it was fast with MODS the guys I sold ot to didn't want my mods so I had to part them out. I got pretty good money for them but I remember havibf the car back to stock after taking everythingh off... LOL I went from 348ish whp to 230 whp )stock) all I can remember was what the heck!!! This is soooo slowwww espeicially on highways.. My R from the factory felt faster than my stock STi from 60-130

JOSBRO · Jun 1, 2006

Re: (zigger)

Food for thought... you would be faster in an STi in both the quarter mile and in 0-60 by a mile than you are in your R's... BUT, you don't have to look at an STi on the street and think to yourself... "Damn, that guy would smoke me!" because chances are, you'd destroy him off the line! That fact is, ALL AWD turbos are hard to launch, and the majority of STi and EVO owners (children!) don't know how to do it. I ran a quarter mile against an STi with full exhaust, BOV and CAI... before the run, the guy wanted to put $100 on the run... I was like, "NO WAY, that car will crush me, I just want to see how I'll stand up." Uhhh, 3 1/2 car lengths of a gap at the end told me I could have just taken this guy's $100! This story IS true, and I probably put a little too much pressure on the clutch than I would like, but it was a cool night at the track, and I was able to break all 4 loose nicely, and I crushed him... I wanted to run my car as FAST as it could possibly go (this was completely stock by the way) and all 3 1/2 cars came in first gear, and that was that. (All at the quarter mile track, all legal.) So, two points:

1. STi's on the road may be limited to being much slower than your R by their operators... Look for sideways hats and drivers appearing to be sitting in the back seat... these are key identification features!

2. If you owned an STi instead of an R, your fellow STi owners would be poorly representing your car daily by having their butts handed to them by easy to drive SRT-4s and more mature and capable R drivers... hehe You'd find yourself in an STi forum with the guy I blew away and reading his post saying, "Yo, those Volvos much be easy to lauch or something man, but they don't run no 14 anything... more like a 12.5 or something, man... Seriously, dude... SERIOUSLY!!!"

Feel good about your R's people. It's not as fast as an STi, but you didn't buy a sports car.. you bought a luxury sports sedan. Different league

(comfort mode!)

-Mike

RainyS60R · Jun 2, 2006

Re: (pie_ya)

Quote, originally posted by pie_ya »

...and another car hiting the same corner at 148 mph. The WRX didn't flip but the second flipped about 6 times in a couple of seconds.

That ***WAS*** a Peugeot 206. Fun car, but ouch!!!

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