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Go to Edmunds Daily site directly:<p><A HREF="http://blogs.edmunds.com/strategies/2009/08/comparison-test-audi-q5-volvo-xc60-mercedes-benz-glk350-cadillac-srx.html" TARGET="_blank">http://blogs.edmunds.com/strat....html</A>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would be interested to see that comparison run again with the R Design package. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That and Volvo sending them one without nav would cure all the complaints!
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>[email protected]</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That and Volvo sending them one without nav would cure all the complaints!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, I always think that the nav in the Volvo isn't bad until I drive a new Audi..
 

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Re: XC60 Wins Edmunds Comparison Test ([email protected])

Woooo hooooo......and holy crappo Cadillac.
 

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Totally unsurprising comment:<p>"Unlike the agile European-spec XC60 we'd driven previously, this U.S.-market model drew criticism for its numb steering and marshmallow-grade suspension tuning. "If you really enjoy driving," the most damning assessment reads, "you'll be disappointed." "<p>Anyone in NA tried to order the Euro-spec suspension & steering? <p>Would the Chinese permit such a thing? (Not that it would matter if it comes to that...)
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rfkuehn</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Anyone in NA tried to order the Euro-spec suspension & steering? <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Apparently the Canadian version comes with the Euro setup, as well as 4C. <p>Effin VCNA product planning idiots.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>njb8199</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Apparently the Canadian version comes with the Euro setup, as well as 4C.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>"Munin's Law": Sweden > Europe > Canada > United States <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>njb8199</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Apparently the Canadian version comes with the Euro setup, as well as 4C.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That tells me it might be possible, anyone tried via OSD? 4C might be harder, but if its just steering gear, sway bars & springs, what's so difficult?<p>(Oh yes, VCNA. They all deserve to be out of work - could be one benefit of the whole Chinese thing. But isn't OSD an effective work-around?)
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rfkuehn</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That tells me it might be possible, anyone tried via OSD?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>My experience (which had to do with R-Design) and that of others, to the extent I've been able to follow it here, is that it's become anywhere from improbable to impossible to deviate from the official build options on the OSD pirce lists. I suspect this has to do with the low margin on U.S. bound cars. I would love to be proven wrong, however. Even a simple thing like a factory roof rail delete option would make it considerably more likely for me to go OSD. So, except for the slightly added flexibility inherent in the OSD options, I don't see it as being very useful as a work-around to U.S. specifications.<p>Someone needs to go into the business of Volvo US->Euro conversions...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rfkuehn</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh yes, VCNA. They all deserve to be out of work - could be one benefit of the whole Chinese thing.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I still don't think the "Chinese thing" will happen, but I have a very hard time imagining that a Geely-owned Volvo would be more responsive in this regard.<p>My only direct experience with VCNA is Yannis. I have nothing but respect for him.<p>
 

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Autoblog covers the Edmunds comparison:<p>Edmunds praises Volvo XC60, pans Cadillac SRX in new entry-lux CUV comparo<p><A HREF="http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/18/edmunds-pans-cadillac-srx-in-new-entry-lux-cuv-comparo-praises" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoblog.com/2009/0...aises</A>/<p>If VCNA sees enough of this, will they make the Euro-spec suspension tuning available in the USA? (At least to those that know to ask for it?)... <p>"While the Swede offered plenty of power, it suffered from poor fuel economy and less-than-satisfying handling. So, how did a not-fun-to-drive Volvo CUV climb to the top of the comparison (one that Edmunds says, "none of our editors would personally choose")?""<p>and<p>"Unlike the agile European-spec XC60 we'd driven previously, this U.S.-market model drew criticism for its numb steering and marshmallow-grade suspension tuning. "If you really enjoy driving," the most damning assessment reads, "you'll be disappointed.""
 

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Re: XC60 Wins Edmunds Comparison Test ([email protected])

Go Volvo! The GLK looks plan old stupid and it serves MB right for withholding the C-class wagon from the US market, now that car is a total winner.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rfkuehn</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>If VCNA sees enough of this, will they make the Euro-spec suspension tuning available in the USA? (At least to those that know to ask for it?)... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's already coming...it's called the R Design.
 

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Yes, but...<p>I really don't want the cosmetics. None of it. Just the under-the-surface stuff - suspension & steering.<p>That said... are the R-Design specs the same in Europe & USA? How does the R-Design spec compare to std Europe-spec? (Safe bet that is tighter than std USA...!)
 

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Re: XC60 Wins Edmunds Comparison Test ([email protected])

as a companion piece, I saw this video at CNET today -- talk about not liking the Nav system --I've never seen a mainstream video from CNET like this....Volvo really needs to lose the Nav<p><A HREF="http://reviews.cnet.com/suv/2010-volvo-xc60/4505-10868_7-33730977.html?tag=mncol;txt" TARGET="_blank">http://reviews.cnet.com/suv/20...l;txt</A><br>
 

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But the way the dash is designed, its not an easy fix. Isn't the screen to far away to be used as a touch-screen?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rfkuehn</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But the way the dash is designed, its not an easy fix. Isn't the screen to far away to be used as a touch-screen?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>There is nothing wrong with using the joystick on the back of the wheel. It's far better than a touch screen or another controller off the wheel. I've had (and have) both. <p>But the Nav system itself is pretty basic.
 

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I am fine with the steering wheel controls too. It's just that I don't like where the nav screen is on the XC60. I much prefer the setup on my S60, where it pops out of the top of the dash and I don't have to look down (ie. away from the windshield) to see the nav. I can actually watch the road and the nav screen at the same time.<p>Who knows, maybe you can do this on the XC60 too. It's just that when I was in an XC60 the nav screen seemed too low, but maybe you get used to it.
 
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