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Greetings everyone,<p>I'm looking to purchase my first Volvo. I wanted experienced input from the forum.<p>I want to find a turbo AWD wagon with a third seat. <p>I've heard that if a wagon does not have one, they can be added through a dealer. Is this true? Anyone have estimates on cost?<p>I can't decide between a V70 XC or the R. Can a turbo XC be chipped adequately? Can the R be chipped for more boost? How much should mileage be considered? At what stage do most Volvo's begin to have issues? I've been a VW owner my whole life, have always heard positive things about Volvos, but don't know what is realistic for life span. As always I'm certain it's a function of care.<p><br>I appreciate everyone's time.<p>Mark
 

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Re: Would like input on R vs XC turbo (HeyLaxCoach)

Greetings Mark, and welcome to Swedespeed.<p>1. On any 2001 or newer V70/R/XC, a third row seat can be added by your local retailer. Interior matching is an issue on the R's however, since the 3rd row seat doesn't come with matching material.<p>2. Cost should be somewhere around $1800; allow some fluctuation for variances in labor rates.<p>3. Both the XC70 and the V70 R have available ECU upgrades, both of which will drastically improve power and acceleration. Keep in mind that the XC70 was purpose-built to be a very capable on AND off-road AWD wagon (hence the robust styling and higher ride height for extra ground clearance). The V70 R was purpose-built for on-road performance. So you need to decide what needs you have, and then see which vehicle most closely meets those needs.<p>4. Mileage is an issue in the sense that you want to avoid a vehicle that's been dogged (i.e. stay away from a 2 year old car with 80K miles). Typically, around 100K these vehicles go through a cycle where it seems like a few things need to be remedied . . . but once you remedy them, they're golden. In my experience, 250K miles is not unusual for a Volvo, provided that all the servicing was done when it was supposed to be done, and how it was supposed to be done.<p>The automotive rule of thumb applies here: take care of your car, and your car will take care of you. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Would like input on R vs XC turbo (R Salesman)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R Salesman</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>3. Both the XC70 and the V70 R have available ECU upgrades, both of which will drastically improve power and acceleration. Keep in mind that the XC70 was purpose-built to be a very capable on AND off-road AWD wagon (hence the robust styling and higher ride height for extra ground clearance). The V70 R was purpose-built for on-road performance. So you need to decide what needs you have, and then see which vehicle most closely meets those needs.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Greetings Mark, and welcome. We hope you join our fold.<p>Caveat Emptor regarding Lee's point #3 above. ECU upgrades and Volvo dealers seem to go together like Oil and Water. If you install, you may fight an uphill battle with your dealer regarding warranty repairs of the affected items, despite what Messers Magnusson and Moss would have to say about the matter. <p>However, if you dont' care, the ECU upgrades do offer improvement. Especially an an '04 or '05 auto transmission car if you get an ECU mod that deletes the torque limiters. However, if you want a manual transmission, the R is your only choice here in the states. <p>As Lee mentioned above, the R and XC are different horses for different courses. The R is going to be more of a fragile machine because of it's advanced systems, and it's optional 18" wheel / tire combos seem to be terrible with potholes, something that is remedied with a different tire than the stock PZero Rossos.<p>Speaking of which, if you are in a temperate climate with temps that dip below 40degrees and see snow, stock R tires DO NOT WORK. You WILL have to switch out to high performance all seasons, or run dedicated snows.<p>Aside from that the R is much quicker, much sportier, and the interior has nice touches which set it apart from the XC. The XC certainly is a competent vehicle, though, and is not a slug despite being down 80 HP to an R. <p>Test drive both and see what you like. Certainly there are more used XC's out there than R's. <p>Good luck! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Would like input on R vs XC turbo (needsdecaf)

Good advice.<p>My wife actually has an 02 XC70, so I really have a lot of experience in the XC. And, truly, it is no slouch despite the horsepower difference. Quite frankly, I think that an XC70 with a ECU upgrade and better sway bars would be a pretty durn nice vehicle. It's simpler than the R, so it has much less stuff to break. I actually really enjoy driving my wife's wagon from time to time.<p>Anyways . . . both are great cars! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Would like input on R vs XC turbo (HeyLaxCoach)

I happen to have both vehicles. My wife drives the XC 90 T6 and I drive the V70R 6 speed. They both do their intended jobs pretty well. I have two small kids and special ordered the built in booster seats in the back seat. Also thought about special ordering the third row seat, but don't need it given we have it in the XC90. If I had waited a year, I would have liked to have the XC V8, but that's ok. <p>The R is fun to drive, and I have plenty of room for stuff in the back. The XC is comfortable to drive when going on the 6 hour ride to the ski area with kids and gear, and have plenty of room for stuff and flexibility with all of the seat combinations (which we do use). We also use it to tow our Boston Whaler.<p>My wife and I switch back and forth alot and I enjoy driving both cars for different reasons.<p>Best of Luck.
 

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Re: Would like input on R vs XC turbo (sfedde)

He's not referring to an XC<B>90</B>, he is comparing to an <B>XC70,</B> your SUV doesn't apply here
 

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Re: Would like input on R vs XC turbo (R Salesman)

I had an '05 XC70 loaner last year and can say it was a VERY nice ride. I never felt underpowered in it. And I could drive it without worry on any road, including some that would make me nervous in an R. Other than the R, the XC70 was easily the nicest of all the late model Volvos I've driven in the past two years . . . and I've had quite a few loaners to sample!
 

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Re: Would like input on R vs XC turbo (HeyLaxCoach)

Oh, one other nice thing going from a VW to a Volvo: your derrière won't hurt as much after a really long trip.<p>The R has terrific seats.
 

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Re: Would like input on R vs XC turbo (sgmlaw)

I would echo the comments on the newer XC70's. Engine output is up a bit and in conjunction with the revised transmission, provides pretty good acceleration. I have driven them as loaners and have been impressed. Granted, they don't have the handling of the R, but not as many "rules" either.
 

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Re: Would like input on R vs XC turbo (HeyLaxCoach)

The 2006 XC70 is awesome <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Would like input on R vs XC turbo (HeyLaxCoach)

XC v. R <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>drive both of them, KNOW what YOU want....only THEN make the choice!<br>-> the bodywork looks maybe the same but they aRe sooo different!
 

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Re: Would like input on R vs XC turbo (JARMO)

Perhaps another "Maryanne vs. Ginger" thing here?<br>(From classic U.S. television lore)<p>They each have their best . . . features.
 
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