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I think I know the answer, I even didn't expect that manual tranny would be available at all (on different markets), but looking on this picture I wonder...<p> <IMG SRC="http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5707/xc607ij7.jpg" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (Papa_Kirlo)

But that's a diesel - 2,4D or D5....
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (Papa_Kirlo)

I would have wanted manual also, but the T6 engine with manual is apparently not available at all, even in Europe. The manual only comes with the diesel variants, which presently are not part of the US offerings. Too bad - T6M with the low-end torque would be a satisfying configuration to drive.
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (jhalbert)

<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Thanks guys..<br>To be honest I don't understand the logic behind it... Why it's so difficult to make a turbo wagon or crossover with manual? Is the Volvo's transmission so bad that cannot be paired with turbo engine anymore? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> Why if I want a wagon I have to drive auto? sorry for the rant...
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (Papa_Kirlo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Papa_Kirlo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Thanks guys..<br>To be honest I don't understand the logic behind it... Why it's so difficult to make a turbo wagon or crossover with manual? Is the Volvo's transmission so bad that cannot be paired with turbo engine anymore? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> Why if I want a wagon I have to drive auto? sorry for the rant... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>In the US of A, the market demographic for an aspiring luxury CUV simply doesn't bode well at all for a manual. Which is to say that outside the realm of economy cars and sports cars manuals really just aren't all that popular with the new car buying public these days.
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (Papa_Kirlo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Papa_Kirlo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Thanks guys..<br>To be honest I don't understand the logic behind it... Why it's so difficult to make a turbo wagon or crossover with manual? Is the Volvo's transmission so bad that cannot be paired with turbo engine anymore? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> Why if I want a wagon I have to drive auto? sorry for the rant... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>$$$ to certify a powertrain combo that less than 50 people will buy and no dealer will want to stock.
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (Papa_Kirlo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Papa_Kirlo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why it's so difficult to make a turbo wagon or crossover with manual?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Unfortunately there are very few choices remaining. Off the top of my head:<p>Turbo wagons w/ manual: VW Jetta SEL 2.0T, BMW 535xi, Subaru Outback 2.5XT<p>Turbo crossover w/ manual: VW Tiguan<p>Hopefully there are more that I'm missing!
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (Dextrobrick)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dextrobrick</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>In the US of A, the market demographic for an aspiring luxury CUV simply doesn't bode well at all for a manual. Which is to say that outside the realm of economy cars and sports cars manuals really just aren't all that popular with the new car buying public these days.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is true, but it's not available in Europe either (with the T6 engine). Is there any configuration like this on any car, i.e. has Volvo ever tooled a version of the 6spd manual tranny whose housing mates up to a T6 engine at all? I'm not sure it exists for any model.<p>Before deciding to go for the XC60, I was very very close to ordering a new-gen C70 with manual. It is pretty rare in the USA; a few base-level cars and, more rarely, an non-base-level car will have manual (some may be special order cars where the deal fell through). I wasn't able to test drive a C70 6spd locally, though I did get to try a C30 with manual after the dealer finally got one of those (kind of unusual even on the cheaper C30 it seems).<p>It was much the same with the first-generation C70. Though there are a number of manual coupe owners on Swedespeed, including myself, that configuration was really quite rare in the USA. Someone else may have the actual import figures; it seems that the Coupe was 5-10% of C70s and the manual transmission was 5-10% of USA C70s generally, so only a few hundred manual coupes came over - but the One to Have IMO! And I say again that the T6's max torque at 1500RPM would make the manual operation very very nice.<p>
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (jhalbert)

Here's a link to a 2005 T6 concept car roadster. Guess what - it has a 5spd Geartronic AT. Reinforcing the hypothesis that no MT has been tooled to fit the T6.<p><A HREF="http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/press/releases/2005/2005sema.shtml" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/pr...shtml</A><p>Aside from the AT, this Volvo Indy Car has a "top-notch audio system". The article doesn't say if it has rear park assist and grocery bag securing straps...<br>
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (jhalbert)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jhalbert</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here's a link to a 2005 T6 concept car roadster. Guess what - it has a 5spd Geartronic AT. Reinforcing the hypothesis that no MT has been tooled to fit the T6.<p><A HREF="http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/press/releases/2005/2005sema.shtml" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/pr...shtml</A><p>Aside from the AT, this Volvo Indy Car has a "top-notch audio system". The article doesn't say if it has rear park assist and grocery bag securing straps...<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That T6 is WAY different than the current one. <p>But the point is correct....no T6 / MT's worldwide that i know of.
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (Needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>That T6 is WAY different than the current one. <br>But the point is correct....no T6 / MT's worldwide that i know of. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Certainly I don't know as much about the recent 6 cylinder evolution, vs the 5 and the older RWD engines. Looking at web links and reading the recently posted Sixes from Volvo article, there's not a lot of detail about what changes were really made between ->'05 and '06->, other than the usual displacement variations and not much of name change. Are you saying that the block castings around the rear are totally different for this engine? Are the valve/cam configurations totally different? They put so many covers over the engines and accessories these days, that you can't really see what things look like by just opening the hood.<p>Performance-wise, the older T6 advertised max torque from 2000RPM up, while the newer one advertises 1500RPM - but that could be due to any number of smaller changes.<p>If you know of a better description of the newer vs. older six, please point me to it. Thanks.
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (jhalbert)

The old T6 is just like the old B6304 straight-six that debuted in the 960 which also spawned all the five cylinder gassers used since the 850. Which is to say it's just a conventional straight-six...sporting a pair of turbos.<p>The new T6 is what Volvo calls a "short inline-six". It bears no resemblance to the old T6. The accessory belt setup is located clear over at the *back* of the engine overhanging the transaxle, the alternator is located all by its lonesome on the *side* of the engine block and the turbo is one single twin-scroll unit. It's a complete "reimagining" of the straight-six, this time with Ford's input (unlike Porsche's who co-developed the B6304).
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (Dextrobrick)

Thanks - great information.<p>I searched again, and I found this great article that reinforces your explanation:<p><A HREF="http://wheels.fosfor.se/new-six-cylinder-engine-from-volvo/" TARGET="_blank">http://wheels.fosfor.se/new-si...olvo/</A><p>Wow - accessories all gear-driven, concentric shafts, dual cam profiles. They do emphasize the all-Volvo design (but mfg. in Wales by Ford factory). I wonder how much of the engineering inspiration for all this came out of the compact V8 partnership with Yamaha - see<p><A HREF="http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/020505.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/020505.html</A><p>By the way- to the point of this thread, the first linked article says<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">“The engine has been designed to be mated to Volvo’s new six-speed automatic transmission,” says Derek Crabb, Vice President Powertrain at Volvo Cars.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No mention of a conventional dry-clutch manual option, which might also require a highly integrated approach - not likely to happen if they weren't considering it from the beginning.<p>In any case, even if I were to keep the XC60 forever, this is not an engine that I'm going to be rebuilding in the backyard! Do you have any comments on the reliability factor, so far, of this new T6?<p>The reason I was unclear about this was because of the <I>Sixes from Volvo</I> article (currently linked on the front page of Swedespeed). It seems to explain that the big compactness redesign came with the original S80 FWD application (would make sense due to the transverse orientation), and it doesn't really clarify the completely new design for 2006 - they call it a "version":<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...The in-line six-cylinder engine, in this form, stayed on until 1998 when the S90/V90 (960) ceased production...<br>...In order to fit a six-cylinder engine transversely into an engine compartment it must be very compact and the new B6304S was indeed very compact, in most respects a development of its predecessor but modified...<br>...The engineers continued to develop the modular engine family and the result of this work was a new, larger, normally-aspirated 3.2 litre version introduced in 2006 with better performance...The T6 was also slightly enlarged, and with that came more horsepower and torque. Both these engines were designated for use in the S80 and XC90</TD></TR></TABLE>
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (jhalbert)

I have not heard of any issues with the T6 so far. Not that I am a dealer or tech or anything, but a number have been purchased on here. <p>Yes, it is small. It's the same overall length as the old 5 cylinder engine. <p>Single turbo vs. twin, completely different block, etc.
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (Needsdecaf)

IMO it's still waaayy too new to tell..lol I'll keep everyone posted on TSBs, recalls, and etc should they occur.
 

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Re: Will be manual transmission available in US configuration? (T5_awd)

Sign Me Up for the D5 * Dual Shifter with Paddles - DSG Type Auto<br>with Rev Matching Down Shifts and High Flow Exhaust .<br> After All the Diesels do Run Hotter , We will Really Need that Hot<br>Exhaust Leaving Quickly Especially for the High Mountains Passes .<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Hi<p>A few things for you<p>1) The original T6 Mk1 S80 prototypes were tested with manual gearboxes. However, Volvo decided that the 272bhp T6 would be more suited to an automatic g/box given the sort of customer that car would attract. As no sport or R version was planned of the first gen S80, there was no need for a manual. The T6 project itself evolved from (I forget the name) of a twin turbo straight six which was originally installed and demonstrated in 960 (RWD) test cars.<p>2) The SI6 engine is evolved from the original N3 six cylinder engine but as noted, has timing chains not timing belt, more compact installation of the auxiliary units (over g/box end rather than on the timing belt side) making the whole new SI6 installation smaller than the original N3 straight six. Variable cam switching (but not on the XC60 version) and single rather than twin turbo are further changes.<p>3) The V8 article is a little misleading. Although at first Volvo was to look for ready made V8s within the Ford lineup, none were suitable and instead Volvo designed a new V8 with Yamaha. The intention as result was manufacturing at Yamahas facility rather than Skovde due to lack of space at Skovde and the planned move of the Ford 2.0D 4 cylinder to Skovde for both Volvo and other Ford products. Bridgend also didn’t have the facility to make the engine. Yamaha decided the earnings from the Volvo collaboration and production would make sense and also had space for production. The Volvo-Yamaha V8 has nothing to do with previous V8s (Ford SHO) designed and built by Yamaha. If you see those engines in pieces you can see the huge differences and the fact the V8 evolves Volvos N series architecture. An exciting development for this engine is its use in the 650bhp Noble M600 supercar. A note to press and Volvo fans is the comment by Noble that they tested and assessed all the V8s on the market and the “Volvo-Yamaha one was the best”. In the Noble it has twin turbos though.<p>Finally and on a sad note, Volvo-Yamaha designed a direct injection version of the V8. Much increased power making it like a V10. (Volvo designed a V10 with Cosworth in late 90s – sounded amazing!). Sadly it seems the V8 will retire and the V8 DI wont be launched. Instead (bit of good news) the new SI6 DI engines in two forms will replace the V8 in terms of power but easily beating it on fuel consumption. The current V8 and T6 are pretty close in fuel consumption anyway.<p>I hope Volvo’s new owners remove the glass ceiling that Volvo had before which prevented them from making large sporty cars (S80R) and larger coupes. Peter Horbury (as said before) is innovative enough that he will have the design team sketching and building new concepts, niche and new Volvo markets models BEFORE he waits for the board to ask for them. This process shows the board completed clay models of cars he thinks Volvo should build. The C30 happened this way. He presented 4 proposals from him team to the board as he had seen the buzz and excitement of the SCC and decided to see what a small Volvo could look like. The board was then invited and design convinced the board that Volvo needed a small sport car. At Volvo BV , the team he was part of presented a few concepts of a genuine small Volvo hatch and as recent as approx 2000 an Merc A class type Volvo was developed as an “internal concept car”. Potentially this is the Volvo City Car slated to be presented at Paris but mysteriously never appeared (was even mentioned in the programme).<p>Hopefully this exciting innovative approach will result in a larger product lineup from Volvo. Indeed, the DI V8 could find a home if Volvos new owners want a slice of the supercar market and create a Volvo sub-brand ie Volvo engineering but not name for a new large coupe or supercar.<br>
 

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re Dextrobrick<p>"It's a complete "reimagining" of the straight-six, this time with Ford's input (unlike Porsche's who co-developed the B6304)."<p>Porsche did some consultancy work on the resonance variable induction manifolds for the 5 cylinder engines. Not much really and the whole N series engine programme was by Volvo. The new SI6 is designed completely by Volvo, no Ford input in design, testing or specification except, the engine is built in an SI6 production area at Ford's Bridgend plant
 

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It's not what still has to come, it's what is already there..<p>A few examples, The R. The car was about 2 years late. For many markets the package was way above what people really wanted. The R could have been offered at a lower price without the technical stuff like the 4C system which, at the time, didn't even function well.<p>I said it before, this car could have been offered as a T5 AWD.<p>Maybe sales were below expectation but many cars were sold and now that those people are looking for a successor there isn't anything available and customers are left in the cold. <p>Then the T6 which could be seen as a successor for the R, at least the V70R. <p>Only available as AT and 285 HP.. Why? I find this to be a really stupid move in many area's.<p>A T6 manual, direct replacement of an R manual. For those people who found the R to be to much pimp the T6 manual would have been the perfect car. <p>Why 285 HP? If it was brought to market with 301 HP a psychological barrier would have been bridged. People would have seen this car to be on par with the R. Given the bigger engine and maybe a couple of Nm more torque all would have been happy. It also would have been a better image builder but no.. We all know all Volvo basically really wants is to sell boats. Guess this is why they pump so much money in the environmentally unsound Ocean Race. <p>Volvo covered the low end, the environmental part also but where are the real cars?<p>AT/GT would be fine if it weren't for the fact that the current GT in manumatic mode is so very far from anything remotely sportive that is simply is a joke. All the live has been pulled out of the car. One could also see this as a safety flaw. A car so boring that you might fall asleep behind the wheel but I guess Volvo can always add another camera looking at the drivers eyes. Something like sleepy driver info system or SDIS, might look good on the list. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The T6 is there, adding another 16 HP is peanuts, heck it might even make the car less polluting like the now higher powered 2.5T engine.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The M66 gearbox is also there. Peanuts to design a new casing which fits the engine. <p>Then the T5. The c30T5 isn't fast. It is even slower compared to a 15 year old Volvo 850T5. Is has 5 HP more but doesn't go. Engine live has been pulled out of it. No more soul for the T5 which is nothing more than a souped up 2.5LPT. The B5244T5 block is completely RNC, why not offer this engine in the C30? It might even be a better and less consuming replacement for the bogus NA SI6, a dead born engine IMO. Never understood why Volvo needed that engine. <p>Again the parts are already in house.<p>Then the S40. A nice car with nice roadholding but externally it is aging fast. With all the S60 customers left out in the cold why no wider S40 with really sporty looks? The tchnology is alrady in house, the C70. It has wider fenders which fit the S40 1:1. Just a slightly different rear fender and those wider tires might actually fit..<p>Don't understand why Volvo is putting so much effort in becoming the dull brand. <p>And please stop presenting nice looking lowered cars only to add 2 inches of ride height by the time they come to market.. I already fear the new S60.. <p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Don't understand why Volvo is putting so much effort in becoming the dull brand. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Are they really putting in effort, or are they simply trying to get by until someone takes them away from Ford?
 
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