I got the S60 because it's available with the T6 and AWD which the V60 is no in the US market. Plus the wagon is louder inside because of the rear cargo area and just can't be as isolated for the driver as you can with the sedan design. Also the acoustics of the B&W is different and not as enjoyable in my opinion. And then there is the issue that it costs more. I could maybe have lived with the drawbacks, but 300+ horses with AWD was a requirement for me.

 

I quite frankly don't see why you would need 300+ horses in the US. I do understand the AWD though. I live in The Netherlands close to Germany. I may understand that you would like to have 300+ horses when you quite regularly drive to Germany but other than that....

 

Well we dropped the T6 now on S60, For other models you can get a T8 for around the real cost of a T6, but not for the V60 sadly. I am looking forward to a pure electric wagon, and honestly just hope a wagon survives into the next generation. IMO with the better aerodynamics I think they would gain a little bit of highway range.

I'll play sexist here... it's the wives' fault. There have been lots of times a man comes in and wants a wagon and his wife says no. I'm not saying that's 100% true, but its a huge percentage of women who say "no" to wagons, probably even more say it before I ever get to meet the couple, but I hear it pretty often. My own wife also hates wagons. No rational reason.

I'd take a FWD V60 over any other non T8 in the entire Volvo lineup personally. But I got a few months between selling even a CC version. I might get to order one V60 a year for customers.

 

LOL concerning a wife not liking a wagon! Happened with me. Bought my 2020 V90 Inscription T6 anyway. Not sorry I did. First car I ever owned where, numerous times (happened again, just a few days ago), people have approached me to inquire or comment about my car. Even when I first picked up my car at the dealership, the people who worked there took pictures and couldn't get over the look of the car.

 

I like the wagon much more but I wanted the T6. Ideally the V90 T8 (not CC) is where I would like to be.

 

@Power6. The distinction is no more loud cars with stiff suspensions. Hence the "hot rods" distinction. I no longer have a desire for muscle cars. But I still like to get sporty from time to time on a country back road. Hence the nimbleness. Plus I like the get up and go on the highway. I wasn't looking for a total sports car. Just one that could be sassy when I want it to be. Does that clear it up for you? I thought the "older and done with hot rods" comment would clearly express that sentiment but with more brevity.

 

Yup that sure does! I'm a big fan of "everything cars" probably growing up in MA always have the winters to worry about. I had a Buick Grand National back in my youthful drag racing days, I had to have another car and store it for the winter. So that probably shaped my views as my preferences changed. I'm a former WRX owner, the Volvo satisfies in the same way that car did, with much nicer surroundings ;-) Great at nothing, good at everything. Also sport chassis lol.

As a matter of fact I did and honestly speaking it was quite boring. Let me put the question the other way around. Have you ever driven in Germany?

No doubt about that, we got a ton of space in the states and depending where you are long straight boring highways between cities. That's not really where it's at here. If you live in the northeast we have a lot of crazy roads laid down over time with absolutely no planning at all, similar to the back roads in England, they can be a lot of fun. I do feel sad when I visit places in the US built with foresight and planning, 4 lane roads in grids, everything placed conveniently.

I have driven in Germany, just one trip some years ago, from Dusseldorf down to Stuttgart and back. My friend met us at the airport to guide us in our rental car back to his house, he decided to give me the "full tour" of how to drive on the Autobahn, it was a little nerve wracking keeping up with him at first ha. It's a different experience, driving at high speed is cool and unique. The unlimited sections come and go though on our route so you are paying attention to that all the time. The US has far more haphazard speed enforcement, you can get away with a lot. France was most boring highways, and you stop to pay a million euro in tolls every hour. Gendarmes in WRXs and Megane RSs waiting to git you!

 

Lets be clear here though, a T5 V60 CC will beat most old hot rods in every sort of racing event. Its the fact that it's refined and doesn't "feel" fast that's the "problem". I love old cars, but they aren't nearly as fast as we remember (there or of course notable exceptions, but then just get the T8 for most beating of them).

A quick google shows 0-60 as 6.4 and standing quarter as 15.3 for the T5 cross country... that's better than many muscle cars in stock trim.

 

I've seen 0-60 results as low as 6.3 seconds for T5 V60CC stock, with no Polestar tune installed. Plenty quick for what it is, I drove one and it handled better than I thought it would, especially on less than ideal roads. It can also be upgraded with a larger rear sway bar if desired.

 

At the time of buying I got my S60 about 10grand cheaper than I could have a V60 and I got the T6 instead of the T5

 

price and availability was my motivating factor. had a 2018 v60 polestar stupidly got rid of. there was a run on the t8 v60 polestars and there's so little availability. got a pretty decent price on the s60 and the spread on the lease would've cost an extra 6-7k. love the wagon but it's not worth that much more to me. i didn't like the previous s60 styling but the new one looks pretty sharp.

 

Ok so mostly what I'm hearing is price and options, and a few wife blockers....which is odd my wife wanted the Estate I was a bit on the fence with the S60 even at the $75/month more - we had an agreed-upon budget that we broke a bit, and she was all for it.

Why is the V60 so much more expensive, I could see a bit but you guys are talking about $200/month or $10k more, seems there must be more too it.

I didn't realize the T6 R was so limited.

So if you could get the exact same spec V60 for the same price as an S60 sounds like a lot would have gone with the V60.

 

regarding polestar s60/v60 the msrp is a few k more, smaller discounts, and smaller incentives though i think the incentives have increased for the v60 making the gap slightly smaller.

 

For me? The trunk in the S60 was a no-go and I didn’t want a SUV nor a mini-van. The wife could care less what I bought as long as I didn’t bitch about it afterwards.....she doesn’t drive my car often. I think the S60/90 and the V60/90 are all equally sexy vehicles. The V just comes with a tad more practicalities for accessing the space behind the seats.


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Not sure what 100mph has to do with 300HP+. I have gone over a 100mph in cars with closer to 100HP. It is more about acceleration than speed for me. I don’t go anywhere near 100mph these days, but do enjoy blasting onto the highway. The T5 does ok and is plenty quick around town. I don’t really notice it’s lack of power until highway speeds. It just isn’t a rocket at high RPM like my last car, but so much more low end grunt for daily driving.
I would have loved to have still had the option in the US for a T6 AWD V60, but it wasn’t offered anymore.


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Not sure what 100mph has to do with 300HP+. I have gone over a 100mph in cars with closer to 100HP. It is more about acceleration than speed for me. I don't go anywhere near 100mph these days, but do enjoy blasting onto the highway. The T5 does ok and is plenty quick around town. I don't really notice it's lack of power until highway speeds. It just isn't a rocket at high RPM like my last car, but so much more low end grunt for daily driving.
I would have loved to have still had the option in the US for a T6 AWD V60, but it wasn't offered anymore.

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Hmmm.. Maybe the fact that more HP means its typically easier to get up to high speeds. Just a guess though. I will have to pull out my physics books.

 

We have a V90 and S60. While I debated getting the V60 for a total of two wagons, we preferred to get the S60 since it did not make sense to have two wagons and a large SUV for hauling. Besides, the pricing for the S60 was far better than the V60 and I could get the R Design with the S60 rather than the Momentum V60.

As far as the cars themselves, they are all equally nice. It is very hard to tell the difference when driving the V90 vs the S60 (yes, I know that the latter is a sedan and has some slightly different equipment).

 

A view from the UK. The specification differences between the V60 (Estate car to us) and the S60 (saloon car) mean that the top spec and options range on the S60 is better than the V60. The residual values after 36 months were better for the S60 and with the discounts that were available it made the decison very easy. I don' t need an estate, they are noisy on the road and they are heavier so don't ride so well at slow speeds on UK roads.
The only engine we got at the time was the T5 in the S60 with some diesels still available in the V60. As an oil burner hater I wanted petrol anyway. The T5 with the 8 speed box is plenty enough for me. I can have fun with the semi auto position when I feel the need. After all 0-60 mph in around 6 seconds is not slow ! Plenty of mid range acceleratioin as well.

 

The next time I’m in an area where there is snowfall, I definitely want to try this. Which vehicle do you think would be the best to use: Volvo 850 R, Volvo XC 40, or Ford Ranger truck. The truck may be a little too high, Plus has rear wheel drive.


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The next time I'm in an area where there is snowfall, I definitely want to try this. Which vehicle do you think would be the best to use: Volvo 850 R, Volvo XC 40, or Ford Ranger truck. The truck may be a little too high, Plus has rear wheel drive.

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Getting off topic. PM sent.

 

I got the S60 because as a single person I don't really need a wagon. Also it's more fun.

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I really liked the V60 and I do have a need for a wagon, but I also have the need for AWD since it's required for the mountain passes around here. I could put on chains, but I'm not keen on that. I get that there's a need for the CC, but I didn't really like it when I drove it and there's not R-Design package which is something I rather like. Ultimately I got the S60 because the one on the lot had less than 6,000 miles on it, already had the Polestar Optimization, and had all the other options I wanted. The only thing I don't like about it is the silver color, but I can live with that.

 

I decided to get the S60. I grew up in a time and place (US) where wagons were not stylish. I realize they are extremely popular in Europe, and within the car community there are many enthusiasts, but I do not find them aesthetically pleasing to look at. The V60/90 are easily among the nicest wagons I have seen, but even then, I decided against it. Although I got a good deal on the S60, I think everyone on this forum knows that Volvos are luxury vehicles - many people cannot afford brand new Volvos. I consider myself EXTREMELY fortunate that I was able to buy one.

Knowing I have purchased something extremely expensive, I need to be 100% satisfied with my purchase. Not 90, but 100%. At this price range, when I look at my car, I need to be in awe with it at every angle. I do not want the slightest thought of "cool but I wish I got x trim or y model." Because of that, I opted for the S60 because I am in love with its design and shape. Every single time I leave my S60 and walk into my house, I take one last look at it and think, "Wow, this is a beautiful vehicle."
Make no mistake, there are things I wish the S60 had or could do, but these are things I can easily work around and am used to.

The V60 has more space/utility for sure, but if I want utility I would simply buy a cheaper SUV or a used wagon so it can be a workhorse I don't mind getting messy.

 

Simply put: I really love the looks of the S60. The V60 is great as well, but I like the looks of a sedan.

I don't need the space 99% of the time.

I love the first generation S60 (owned 3 of them), vehemently disliked the looks of the 2nd gen S60 (leased 2 V60s), and now am a proud owner of the current S60.

Engine options were not important. I drove a number of T5s, but ended up buying a fully loaded T4. Great car. Period.

 

wagons are the dream car of internet people that don't actually buy them. but there's been a run on the v60 polestar and there's very few which pushed me to the s60

 

I've always felt the reluctance to wagons is definitely a US thing as someone else mentioned, was very unstylish for a long time. I think for most it's a visceral reaction rooted in horrible childhood vehicles and National Lampoon movies. I can only speak from the few times I've been in Germany but wagons were all there was, it was amazing, I was in love!! It's all about the sleeper wagon for me. I totally understand you all who see a difference in performance and go that route but I don't understand people who opt for any sedan over a wagon version when it might be there only vehicle. Totally from a utilitarian perspective, not judging anyone at all but sedans are not for me.

 

Back in '94 Ford was selling Taurus wagons for the same price as the sedan so I went with the wagon and loved it. Fast forward and I was delighted to acquire a '20 V60. Drives like a car, can carry stuff, and it does in fact look better than the S60, sez I. But, yeah, Americans aren't interested in station wagons, just SUVs--Acura dropped their wagon a few years ago, and more recently Buick, too.

 

I prefer a wagon over anything else. Don't get why it isn't more in demand in the USA. The only SUV I ever owned was a 2011 Subaru Outback Wagon. Everything else was either a sedan or a wagon. I like the lowered-down stance of my wagon, and feel safer driving it. Due to the height and pedestrian suspension of the Outback, particularly in highway/high speed driving, I felt vulnerable to its non-responsive suspension, its higher center of gravity and, when high winds were around, its taller profile caught too much wind.

 

I like wagon but V60 is less interesting to me as I want slightly higher clearance and like higher sitting position. Most people especially passengers in the car prefer higher sitting position nowadays. I'd like a V60CC more than XC60, but Volvo don't put T8 in V60CC.



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It is interesting to read this thread. In The Netherlands it is exactly the opposite.

Wagons are everywhere. Sedans are completely out of fashion.

Still, the reactions to the design of the current S60 have been extremely positive from random passerby commentators. I have never owned a car that got this many unsolicited positive comments as this one.

 

While I would have preferred a T6 in my V60 I would have not bought a S60. With the polestar tune the T5 really isn't that bad and this is coming from someone with a 500hp GTO. I love the wagon and lucky for me the wife also loves it and encouraged me.

 

With the polestar tune the T5 really isn't that bad and this is coming from someone with a 500hp GTO.

It's interesting to hear you say that as well. I just turned in my R8 V10 off lease and moved into a S60 T6, and the engine is pretty impressive. No, it's not 500 hp, but all of the "complaining" about this 4 cylinder engine is really unwarranted. It's one of the best 4 cylinder power plants I've ever drive, and it really is a good fit with this car. These cars are quite sporty and fun to drive. Coming from someone that daily drover and R8 V10 and now moves to a 4 cylinder Volvo, I'd say that's pretty high praise.

 

"But at age 70 I think it’s time to start experiencing some new fun things."
Hey, Ol' Red Hair, I'm 70 too, and my hair used to be red. Live it up!

 

"But at age 70 I think it's time to start experiencing some new fun things."
Hey, Ol' Red Hair, I'm 70 too, and my hair used to be red. Live it up!

At least you still have hair! ? LOL