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Hey Folks, <br>I like to autox and go to track days. I use a supercharged Miata for this back home in Pcola Fl. However we are now spending summers in the NW, can you say hiding from hurricanes? <br>Anyway my first car was a 59 544 when in HS and I've appreciated Volvos ever since. I was thinking that in the NW home of all old Volvos that I might try to build a Speedy Swede for doing this stuff with. <p>So the question which one would be best suited for this? <br>Altho I have seen some 544's in SOVREN, it seems as tho they just race each other. <br>I know that there was a time when the 122's raced quite a bit, Grass Roots Motorsport did a nice project car a few years back. <p>I have always drooled over the P1800 and you can still find some around, they look good in sporting trim. Noted somewhere that a stiff front rollbar was strongly suggested which seems counter intuitive as I hear they are subject to understeer? <p>Again GRM did a 142 project a couple of years ago. Seems like they are more scarce than the 122's. <p>As for auto x I don't worry to much about what class I'm in, can't keep up with the kids anyway, so reasonable mods are fine. Want to make it a car that I can enjoy driving around town in around in, but sports would be the primary goal. <p>OK thanks for your time.. Richard
 

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Re: which classic to take to the track? (redstack)

Welcome to Swedespeed, Richard.<p>Your interests in a classic Volvo for both road and track would seem to point toward the 140 series - the 142 or 145 being the ideal candidates.<p>Back in 197? I hotted-up my '68 142 with the usual go-fast goodies and full ipd catalogue which resulted in a super-fun car given its relatively light chassis and inherent stiffness.<p>Today you can find the 142 on the market in ready-to-race mode or ready-to-restore mode and all in between.<p>Some quick questions...<p>What is your budget?<br>Will you do all the work?<br>Will the final car be street-legal? Insured?<br>Will you be the only driver?<p>Just for teasers...<p><A HREF="http://neworleans.en.craigslist.org/cto/1246062491.html" TARGET="_blank">http://neworleans.en.craigslis....html</A><p><A HREF="http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/1245002412.html" TARGET="_blank">http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/1245002412.html</A><p><A HREF="http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/1262185788.html" TARGET="_blank">http://seattle.craigslist.org/....html</A><p>Now you take 142 in the last link, swap out the zoom zoom stuff from the other two cars and...<p>Let's roll!<p>George Dill<br>
 

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All those seem like a bit more body work than I would care to try, maybe the one in Tacoma. OK, I can see the reasoning behind the 142. <br>In answer to your questions, <br>Budget, lets say I would like to be on the track for less than 5K or so, with some room to add later. Wife has a say in that part. <br>I can do some wrenching and have friends to help, but body work is a bit beyond my real desire. I have time in blocks, but hate to spend too much of my time off fixing, I'm more of a driver.<br>I would prefer to be streetable so that I don't have to trailer it, and it makes it seem somehow more pure. Insured only for liability.<br>Set up for me, but I tend to want to share. One point is that the Miata is too small, I am 6'3, 250. So that's one reason I was thinking of a volvo. <p>On a side note I have thought about the older mustangs, but the suspension is such a mess. How did volvo deal with keeping the live rear axle in place?<p>Thanks for taking the time to help me, I think I'll have to research the 142 a bit. Richard
 

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Re: funny, somehow I had seen those (redstack)

"How did volvo deal with keeping the live rear axle in place?"<p>The current aftermarket has the answers to this...<p><A HREF="http://www.ipdusa.com/Volvo-140/c-1-78" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ipdusa.com/Volvo-140/c-1-78</A>/<p>George Dill
 

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Re: funny, somehow I had seen those (gdill2)

George;<br><A HREF="http://classicmotorsports.net/project-cars/1969-volvo-142" TARGET="_blank">http://classicmotorsports.net/...o-142</A>/<br>Is it ok to post a link as above? It's what got me to thinking about the idea of a track volvo. <br>BTW I looked again at the tacoma one, it's not that bad. Of course I'd have to lean on my buddies right away to get it out of there.
 

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rear ends

So looking at the catalog I don't see any panhard rods or such.. Does that mean that it's basically stable and would just need new bushings, springs, shocks to make it like new?
 

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The 140 resolved some rear axle/suspension problems native to the Volvo 122 (Amazon) including powerful 4-wheel, dual-circuit disc brakes and stonger halfshafts (axles).<p>Here is some good reading on the subject...<p><A HREF="http://www.volvoadventures.com/140.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvoadventures.com/140.html</A><p><A HREF="http://www.volvoadventures.com/142GT.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvoadventures.com/142GT.html</A><p><A HREF="http://www.volvoadventures.com/144R.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvoadventures.com/144R.html</A><p><A HREF="http://www.volvoadventures.com/144Sspec.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvoadventures.com/144Sspec.html</A><p>George Dill<p>
 

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Re: rear ends (gdill2)

<A HREF="http://images.google.com/images?as_q=&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=volvo+140&as_oq=&as_eq=&imgtype=&imgsz=&imgw=&imgh=&as_filetype=&imgc=&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images&as_st=y" TARGET="_blank">http://images.google.com/image..._st=y</A><p>George Dill
 

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what about something like this?<p><A HREF="http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1264126994.html" TARGET="_blank">http://seattle.craigslist.org/....html</A><p>240 turbo? too heavy?<p>BTW I'm at work in Alaska, so of course I see all the good stuff now. I'll be home in Mid august.
 

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The 2-door 240 sedan with the battery in the trunk, manual doors/windows, no spare, no back seat and no AC can be set up for the cones with a full suspension/wheel/tire package along with a streetable turbo, lower diff and 5-speed manual (no cage).<p>If you must meet certain SCCA-type rules then the 240 is limited in how much is "legal".<p>Such a 240 would be about 600lbs heavier than a similar 142.<p>George Dill<p>
 

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Re: funny, somehow I had seen those (redstack)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>redstack</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Of course I'd have to lean on my buddies right away to get it out of there. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yup, start calling your buddies - this is the one!<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=122068" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=122068</A><p>George Dill
 

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hope its not too late(gdill2)

OK but now I have to admit that I'm still at work on a tug in Alaska. I'll be off aug 12 and back in Port Orchard. This always happens to me, all the good stuff comes up while I'm on a tug somewhere. I'll keep my eyes peeled as I know what I need now. <br>Thanks for your time George, Richard
 

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George!<br>I don't know much about racing rules but it seems strange that the 242 would have to be 600 pounds heavier. Can you illuminate this a bit?<br>The car isn't really that much heavier than a 142, is it? Aluminum head should make the engine a bit lighter.
 

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Two BIG downloads but they (SCCA) list Volvo 142 and 240 min/max weights for various classes...<p><A HREF="http://cms.scca.com/documents/Club%20Rules/09%20GCR/2009GCR.pdf" TARGET="_blank">http://cms.scca.com/documents/...R.pdf</A><p><A HREF="http://cms.scca.com/documents/Club%20Forms/2009%20Updated%20TB%2009-05a%20GCR.pdf" TARGET="_blank">http://cms.scca.com/documents/...R.pdf</A><p>SCCA Site Index...<p><A HREF="http://www.scca.com/sitemap.aspx" TARGET="_blank">http://www.scca.com/sitemap.aspx</A><p>...home...<p><A HREF="http://www.scca.com/home.aspx" TARGET="_blank">http://www.scca.com/home.aspx</A><p>And a special treat is this archived forum where some Volvo 140 Rally Nuts talk up their actual adventures...<p><A HREF="http://www.specialstage.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-5475.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.specialstage.com/fo....html</A><p>The links shown in the above site don't click anymore but just copy/paste the ones you want to see.<p>George Dill
 

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Re: rear ends (gdill2)

Volvo 142 GT in Targa Newfoundland: <A HREF="http://www.volvoadventures.com/142GTNewFoundLand.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvoadventures.com....html</A>
 

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1800s

Phil has been talking to me about building a nice 1800s with one of his engines. i'm intrigued, if I can find the cash.
 

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<A HREF="http://1800philes.com" TARGET="_blank">http://1800philes.com</A>/<p>From: <A HREF="http://1800philes.com/t5.html" TARGET="_blank">http://1800philes.com/t5.html</A><p>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>This car is used for a lot of autocross competitions. This involves driving the car as quickly as possible through courses marked by cones laid out in parking lots.<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<p>George Dill
 
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