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It seems to me that if you put two car seats in the middle row, then you have now access to the third row. And even if you put one car seat in the middle and one in the back, if you plan on taking any adults with you, one of them may have to climb in the back -- which is not easy. So has anyone put 2 car seats in the third row? Would toddlers like it back there? And what about the fact that there are no latch attachments, and no tether hooks either? Is that a major concern, and reason maybe for not putting any car seats in the third row?
 

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i have ran a toddler car seat and a booster in the third row with no problems. I personally dont use the latch points because we move the seats around a lot. My 6yr and 11yr love to sit in the third row in their boosters.
 

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Re: (Morgan-tec)

Yeah my wife and I are having twin girls within the month (yikes!) and we just picked up our xc90 yesterday - which we love BTW - and we are basically wondering the same thing. How are we going to easily access our 3rd row with both car seats in??? I guess this is just a minor detail in regards to the many we will very soon face! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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We have two little ones, and have done a lot of carpooling with friends and their little ones. Overall, we are really happy with all the different configurations the 7 seater XC90 affords. We have had two car seats in the back with no problems getting them in and out. It always seems like a minor hassle, but the middle row seats slide forward enough there is plenty of room to work with.<p>We have had two car seats in the middle row, and there is room for an adult to sit comfortably between the two. I suspect we could put the two car seats side by side in the middle row too, but have not tried it yet.
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (Freeworld)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Freeworld</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It seems to me that if you put two car seats in the middle row, then you have now access to the third row. And even if you put one car seat in the middle and one in the back, if you plan on taking any adults with you, one of them may have to climb in the back -- which is not easy. So has anyone put 2 car seats in the third row? Would toddlers like it back there? And what about the fact that there are no latch attachments, and no tether hooks either? Is that a major concern, and reason maybe for not putting any car seats in the third row?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Jay,<p>Please do not place any child seats in the 3rd row (mainly for the reasons you wrote). <p>The XC90 is one of the very few SUVs where you can access the 3rd row from either side of the vehicle. Therefore, as long as you place one car seat in the middle of the 2nd row (and one on either the left or the right side of the car) then you will have access to the 3rd row. <p>On the either hand, if you have a booster cushion (and if appropriate for the age of your kid(s) to just use the bottom cushion) then you can place such cushion in the 3rd row and free up some space in the 2nd row.<p>Hey, got your VM; I will call you after the Holiday weekend to give you some guidance re: your questions on the XC90.<p>
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (GrecianVolvo)

Yannis,<br>Thanks. I realize you don't need to latch in the third row, but I presume the tether attachment is critical for safe installation even when using the seat belt. The question remains whether two car seats will fit in the middle row in the outer and middle position and still allow the other outer seat to be moved forward for access to the back. For that matter, does the middle position in the middle row have a tether attachment?<p>My problem is that I need to get two full car seats and three adults in the car without grandma having to climb in the back. Maybe the XC90 just won't do it?<p>We'll talk soon. Thanks.
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (Freeworld)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Freeworld</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The question remains whether two car seats will fit in the middle row in the outer and middle position and still allow the other outer seat to be moved forward for access to the back. For that matter, does the middle position in the middle row have a tether attachment?<p>My problem is that I need to get two full car seats and three adults in the car without grandma having to climb in the back. Maybe the XC90 just won't do it?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hi, I have a 2years seating behind the driver seat and next to a baby rear facing seating in the middle seat. The baby car seat (Graco) uses a permanent base installed via seat belt and that base won't let me move forward completely the 2nd row seat behind the passenger. Baby is 8 weeks old and have not had the need to use the third row yet. When he grows out the current graco by year end, will need to pick the right convertible that will allow me to use that same spot and access third row ( I heard Sunshine may do the trick, need to check that in site) My third row need is once or twice a year, but for an every day need a minivan seems to me much more practical.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Asfalto at 11:19 AM 7-5-2009</i>
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (Asfalto)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Asfalto</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> but for an every day need a minivan seems to me much more practical.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>+1 adding that to our driveway solely as there is really no getting around space needs with two under two<p>xc not going anywhere <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (Freeworld)

FWIW...<p>Regardless of the previously mentioned safety issue, it also seems logistically better to pack the little kids into the middle row if only because you'd want to put down at least one of the 3rd row seats in order to pack in the tons of kiddie accessories you'll need. If you have 2 kids that leaves one middle and one 3rd row seat for a smaller adult if they're willing.<p>During my younger-child days my biggest problem was less where to put the people and more where to fit the stroller, portable crib, diapering stuff, toys, playset, toys, extra clothes, more toys, special food, water bottles, etc.<p>I can't tell you what a relief it is every time I head out now and can simply toss my boys into the car and drive away. No need to pack that incredible pile of junk. We can just go somewhere and play.<p>I had a V70 XC during our baby years. The entire large back area was always jam packed. Now that my boys are 7, 8, & 10 we usually have less stuff to lug and we're more trying to avoid putting 3 boys shoulder to shoulder on a car trip. Close packing is a sure recipe for a world war in the back seat, so the XC90 is saving us from that without needing to resort to a minivan. <p>A Thule box held the junk for the ski trips, and looks like it'll be needed for the XC90 trips too. We might even need a bigger one or we'll put 2 up there and really kill the drag coefficient.
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (blinky)

I'll just add my 2¢:<p>We have 1 year old twins and an 8 Y.O.<p>We bought the XC90 for my wife because we could no longer fit in our other vehicles, and because, frankly, a mini-van wasn't an option to me. (Call me pig-headed or whatever...) I saw an XC90 at a great price (which I'd always considered - along with a Touareg TDI - to be at the top of my list despite my family's ties to GM which go back 2 generations) and basically bought it on the spot as someone else out of state made an offer on it and the guy didn't want to ship it.<p>So, here I am, an XC90 owner with 2 car seats and 3 kids.<p>We have two Brittax Marathons near the rear doors and then sort of "wing it" for the 8 Y.O. He likes being in the back by himself or with a friend - and that works well enough now that the twins are forwards facing. When they were rear facing, honestly, it would just be easiest to have him enter through the tailgate - not exactly a great option for adults, but he liked having his "own door." And it was easier for everyone than having him crawl under the car seats.<p>Part of our problem may have been (or still be) the fact that the Brittax seats aren't exactly svelt. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> They're great seats, but also pretty wide, so putting them side by side hasn't been a real option for us - in any car. The configuration that HAS worked well for us is to put one in front and one in the rear when travelling with 7 passengers. You can put an adult in back - behind the other car seat which doesn't require much leg room - along with another car seat.<p>Our other problem has been our stroller (BOB Revolution Duallie.) It's a wonderful stroller. It's just a tad bit on the large side when folded (as are most dual strollers.) To have the rear seats up, one must remove all 3 wheels and have the front wheel frame facing forward between the rear passengers. It's not ideal - but it works.<p>And the Thule Atlantis 1600 gets used any time we need any sort of additional storage. It's a great addition all around.<p>After reading this thread, I suppose I'll try putting the two car seats together again. It is just easier to access both twins when sitting between them. As they age, I guess that becomes less of an issue, but it is nice to just say to the 8 Y.O. "feed [insert twin's name here]" and not have to worry about him not be able to reach to give them a bottle.<p>I do also like using the LATCH anchor points, which don't seem to be an option if you've got two in the middle seats.<p>And we too look forward to just being able to "go" without all the extra "stuff". It's just not happening any time too soon.<p>
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (blinky)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>blinky</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FWIW...<p>I can't tell you what a relief it is every time I head out now and can simply toss my boys into the car and drive away. No need to pack that incredible pile of junk. We can just go somewhere and play.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know they grow up too fast, but I can't wait for this stage.
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (bakerzdosen)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bakerzdosen</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'll just add my 2¢:<p>Part of our problem may have been (or still be) the fact that the Brittax seats aren't exactly svelt. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> They're great seats, but also pretty wide, so putting them side by side hasn't been a real option for us - in any car. The configuration that HAS worked well for us is to put one in front and one in the rear when travelling with 7 passengers. You can put an adult in back - behind the other car seat which doesn't require much leg room - along with another car seat.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>So if you put a car seat in the third row, you just use the ratcheting seatbelt? How well does that work without a tether attachment as well? Do you feel it's secure enough?
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (Freeworld)

So I am trying the following this weekend:<p>infant and toddler seats outboard middle row.<br>Lay middle seat flat (IF ONLY it could just come out!)<br>Access third row for adults (small) via climbing over middle seat.<br>One small, one average adult; small adult into 3rd row, average adult sits in middle seat middle row<p>short trips only<p>Minivan here we come (or not!)
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (obiwan)

<br>We found the same with our xc90, very difficult with car seats. BUT, that only lasts until they can<br>get into booster seats. Once in booster seats they can sit in the center booster for shorter<br>trips, or it is easy to just move the booster so someone can get in back.<p>That toddler will be in a booster before you know it.
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (Freeworld)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Freeworld</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>So if you put a car seat in the third row, you just use the ratcheting seatbelt? How well does that work without a tether attachment as well? Do you feel it's secure enough?</TD></TR></TABLE>Well, I think part of that depends on the car seat. I liked our Britax Marathon(s) back there with the seatbelt and the additional locks that the Marathon has included for seatbelts. It's not like car seats are made <I>just</I> for the LATCH mechanism. For example, the Marathon locks down on the physical belt itself in a couple of different places, so it felt secure. However, not being a car seat expert, I can't say for sure that it was 100% correct. However, I sat there and cranked on the seat itself and it didn't move, and it seemed to be at the right angle, so I felt fine about it.
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (bakerzdosen)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bakerzdosen</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">However, not being a car seat expert, I can't say for sure that it was 100% correct. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't know about yours, but our local police were more than happy to help install, assess, & train us with our car seat. They <i>ARE</i> trained car seat experts, or at least the guy who did the class was. We do have unusually great cops here, though, so I don't know how widespread that level of help would be. Maybe you could check?
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (blinky)

If the police can't help, try your local safety council. Many times they hold free safety checks for car seats at the local Babies "R" Us stores, to help new parents know what the laws are, as well as to make sure they are in the car properly.<p>When my kids were in car seats, it was a royal PITA to get one in properly without any side to side, front to rear movement. That was before LATCH and other systems.<p>And to think now the oldest is 2 weeks away from driving his own car.
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (momscar)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>momscar</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And to think now the oldest is 2 weeks away from driving his own car.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Peg, I am shivering with the thought of when my boys will be of driving age...thank God, we are at least 10 years away!<p><IMG SRC="http://cdn.nhl.com/islanders/images/upload/2008/09/TeenDriver_sheet_contract-2.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Where to put the kids (GrecianVolvo)

Yes, Yannis, I am shivering just a bit. But he has had a year with Dad teaching him. He probably has more time behind the wheel than his friends that took driver's ed. There is a Collision Avoidance Techniques class that is put on by the local sheriff's department specific to teen drivers that he'll be attending as well.<p>The contract is a great idea, and although right now it's not on paper, we have discussed them all.<p>One thing I'm glad about is that Cody isn't a "car nut" (yet), isn't one for talking on the phone, has always worn a seat belt and is a very good student. (He had great parents, ya know <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> ) And he generally has good judgement. <p>And of course, he'll be driving a Volvo <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>momscar</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The contract is a great idea, and although right now it's not on paper, we have discussed them all.<p>One thing I'm glad about is that Cody isn't a "car nut" (yet), isn't one for talking on the phone, has always worn a seat belt and is a very good student. (He had great parents, ya know <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> ) And he generally has good judgement. <p>And of course, he'll be driving a Volvo <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah. My dad never did any driving contract or thing like that. After a year of driving with the parents, I asked my dad if I could drive myself, and he said "You know if you do anything, you're getting a job and paying for it". And that was that (After I did the math on how long it would take a teenager to pay for a 45K car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/redface.gif" BORDER="0">)<p>I will say - within the first 6 months, I pushed the car like crazy. Cut people off at times, rolled with windows down and rap up, talked on the phone, drank coffee and drove simultaneously, drove with 4 passengers with the windows down and loud music. But I felt that even I didn't push it as far as my friends. I felt I was "reasonably" safe during that period. <p>After that, the driving rush/coolness faded, and now I'm normal. I am a bit like your son (don't talk on the phone much, don't do gangster things, etc. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">) But good thing with your son and seatbelts - that is one thing I didn't budge on. I told my friends put the belt on or get the hell out of my car. <p><br>But all you older guys with sons about to drive - here is some advice for you all:<p>1) Don't do all this contract stuff. When you do that, your son will just weigh the peer pressure/lure of the act against the consequence, and I guarantee you, at one point, he will decide that the consequence is worth it, and will break the rules. Just sit down with them and explain that you understand that he will want to drive fast, fill up with friends, talk on the phone, but that if something happens, he will die and kill is friends. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>2) Sit with your son in the car one day and let him push it to the limit. He will find out on his own that its not all that its made out to be. <br>3) Don't give your son a cheap car that he has no respect for. Then he is more willing to do idiotic stuff with it. Having the car that I do has prevented me from doing quite a few stupid things. Plus, I treat it like my baby (wash weekly,wax, vacuum, etc.)<br>4) Make your son call you every time he reaches somewhere. That was a big restraint on me. I knew that if I drove fast and forgot, calling my mom early, she would know I sped. Plus, it kept me from going to places they didn't want me to go. <p><br>And trust me, one of his friends will get into a car accident and be hurt/killed, and he'll learn a lot from that. After one of my close friends died in an accident, my driving style changed completely. I do still rev high and accelerate quickly when going up on ramps or from stop lights, and I do take turns quickly some times, but I don't pull stupid stunts anymore.
 
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