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I saw this link on my Hotmail page and I was a little surprised at the info:<p>The IIHS has listed their top cars of 2006 and Volvo was nowhere on the list! Here are the cars with their highest ratings:<p>-Ford Five Hundred<br>-Mercury Montego<br>-Audi A6<br>-Honda Civic (4 door)<br>-Saab 9-2x<br>-Subaru Impreza<br>-Saab 9-3<br>-Subaru Legacy<br>-Audi A3<br>-Audi A4<br>-BMW 3 series<br>-Chevrolet Malibu<br>-Lexus IS<br>-VW Jetta<br>-VW Rabbit<br>-VW Passat<p>( <A HREF="http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx" TARGET="_blank">http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx</A> )<p>Man... Audi, VW, Saab, and Subaru cleaned up these awards... i have a new S40 and it surprises me that cars that are in the same "buying circle" have better ratings, especially from a brand that prides itself on safety. Volvo has THE state of the art facility ( <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP7zMxu-Yzo" TARGET="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP7zMxu-Yzo</A> ) so i'm surprised that there wasn't even one model on the list.<p>hmm... hopefully now that Volvo has Ford, some of those rumored safety features will become reality.<br>
 

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Re: where is Volvo's safety?! (Dygitalpmp)

Yeah, this has been a hot topic here.<br>But you have to look at the results carefully.<br>Impreza=9-2x<br>There's a lot of platform sharing going around, esp. in the VW/Audi group.<p><br>Here's Euro NCAP results:<br><A HREF="http://www.euro-ncap.com/content/safety_ratings/details.php?id1=3&id2=195" TARGET="_blank">http://www.euro-ncap.com/conte...2=195</A><p>NHSTA results:<br><A HREF="http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/3283.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/3283.html</A><p>Wait until Folksam gets enough data for the new S40. They're a Swedish insurance company that rates cars based on real-world accidents and then rates them. <p>So far, nobody here has been seriously hurt in their S40.
 

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Re: where is Volvo's safety?! (Dygitalpmp)

I don't believe that IIHS tested any 2006 Volvo's.<p>
 

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Re: where is Volvo's safety?! (Dygitalpmp)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dygitalpmp</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I saw this link on my Hotmail page and I was a little surprised at the info:<p>The IIHS has listed their top cars of 2006 and Volvo was nowhere on the list! Here are the cars with their highest ratings:<p>-Ford Five Hundred<br>-Mercury Montego<br>-Audi A6<br>-Honda Civic (4 door)<br>-Saab 9-2x<br>-Subaru Impreza<br>-Saab 9-3<br>-Subaru Legacy<br>-Audi A3<br>-Audi A4<br>-BMW 3 series<br>-Chevrolet Malibu<br>-Lexus IS<br>-VW Jetta<br>-VW Rabbit<br>-VW Passat<p>( <A HREF="http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx" TARGET="_blank">http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx</A> )<p>Man... Audi, VW, Saab, and Subaru cleaned up these awards... i have a new S40 and it surprises me that cars that are in the same "buying circle" have better ratings, especially from a brand that prides itself on safety. Volvo has THE state of the art facility ( <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP7zMxu-Yzo" TARGET="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP7zMxu-Yzo</A> ) so i'm surprised that there wasn't even one model on the list.<p>hmm... hopefully now that Volvo has Ford, some of those rumored safety features will become reality.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>And I doubt if you are in ana ccident with any of the other (non-listed) BMWs like the 5-series (a perennially safe car) or the 7-series you will get hurt badly. Or in any of the Mercedes-Benz models with their tank-line structure.<p>Still, I would rather take my chances (if in an accident) on any Volvo model than inside any of the models listed at the top of this thread.<p>Yannis
 

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Re: where is Volvo's safety?! (Dygitalpmp)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dygitalpmp</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I saw this link on my Hotmail page and I was a little surprised at the info:<p>The IIHS has listed their top cars of 2006 and Volvo was nowhere on the list! Here are the cars with their highest ratings:<p>-Ford Five Hundred<br>-Mercury Montego<br>-Audi A6<br>-Honda Civic (4 door)<br>-Saab 9-2x<br>-Subaru Impreza<br>-Saab 9-3<br>-Subaru Legacy<br>-Audi A3<br>-Audi A4<br>-BMW 3 series<br>-Chevrolet Malibu<br>-Lexus IS<br>-VW Jetta<br>-VW Rabbit<br>-VW Passat<p>( <A HREF="http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx" TARGET="_blank">http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx</A> )<p>Man... Audi, VW, Saab, and Subaru cleaned up these awards... i have a new S40 and it surprises me that cars that are in the same "buying circle" have better ratings, especially from a brand that prides itself on safety. Volvo has THE state of the art facility ( <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP7zMxu-Yzo" TARGET="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP7zMxu-Yzo</A> ) so i'm surprised that there wasn't even one model on the list.<p>hmm... hopefully now that Volvo has Ford, some of those rumored safety features will become reality.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>dosn't the volvo share this platfroms Ford Five Hundred<br>-Mercury Montego
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VolvoMax</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't believe that IIHS tested any 2006 Volvo's.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>But nothing safety-wise has changed with the lineup, right? So shouldn't the results be the same?<p>The Ford 500 does share platforms with Volvo.
 

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Re: where is Volvo's safety?! (eurotrash)

This continues to be disconcerting. I was recently discussing safety with my bro. He thinks MBs are safer than Volvos, and it's hard to argue when these agencies don't put Volvo on the high pedestal that we owners do <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Safety ratings vary by agency and test standards.<p>All new Volvos are safe.<p>George Dill<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Freeworld</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This continues to be disconcerting. I was recently discussing safety with my bro. He thinks MBs are safer than Volvos, and it's hard to argue when these agencies don't put Volvo on the high pedestal that we owners do <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am not sure that MBs are safer than Volos but Mercedes-Benz has installed certain features on their cars (esp. the more expensive models) that Volvo should also have on each car. In addition to that, only now DSTC has become standard on every Volvo; MB has had a similar program as standard equipment for a few years now, even on their entry level vehicles.<p>Yannis
 

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Re: where is Volvo's safety?! (GrecianVolvo)

A lot of these cars are essentially 'tuned' to produce good numbers on the tests. What happens in real world situations, especially those involving multiple impacts, is a big '?' for a lot of these guys. Volvo specifically researches this kind of stuff to provide the safest total package. They've been analyzing accidents for over 30 years.
 

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A driver in a new MB with all the computerized "safety" goodies may "feel" safer than if in a Volvo lacking some "safety" features. And isn't that the main idea of safety? Will the MB driver take more chances than if in the Volvo assuming the computers will "save" his/her behind? Dunno.<p>George Dill<p>
 

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If any of you get a chance, check out the program "Crash Science" on the Nat'l Geographic Channel. You will see lots of exactly what Volvo is doing to make cars safer. It's a great program.
 

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Re: where is Volvo's safety?! (GrecianVolvo)

M-B's are heavier than Volvo's. Which may add to the feeling of safety.<p>Volvo has beaten M-B to the punch a few times. WHIPS for example.<p>M-B even had to source the side air curtain from Volvo-Autoliv!<p>Volvo is moe thoughtful sometimes, the side airbag in the seat instead of the door for example.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>momscar</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If any of you get a chance, check out the program "Crash Science" on the Nat'l Geographic Channel. You will see lots of exactly what Volvo is doing to make cars safer. It's a great program. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That was on last night.<br>Every Volvo dealer in the country should have a copy.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VolvoMax</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">M-B's are heavier than Volvo's. Which may add to the feeling of safety.<p>Volvo has beaten M-B to the punch a few times. WHIPS for example.<p>M-B even had to source the side air curtain from Volvo-Autoliv!<p>Volvo is moe thoughtful sometimes, the side airbag in the seat instead of the door for example.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You are right, Max. My only argument though would be that MB has installed BASIC safety equipment (like ABS, SRS airbags, stability control programs, etc.) a lot sooner than Volvo did.<p>I think Volvo is still a leader in safety no matter what the crash tests show. On the other han, I would hae liked to see Volvo become a PIONEER in installing safety equipment; they did it in the '90s, but they are falling behind...<p>Yannis
 

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"A lot of these cars are essentially 'tuned' to produce good numbers on the tests. "<p>Check the death stats a few years from now and i bet a lot of these models WILL have lower death stats than comparable Volvo models from the same model year. The IIHS test is designed to reflect real life situations so what is wrong with designing your car to exceed in their test if the results translate into lower real-world death statistics?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You are right, Max. My only argument though would be that MB has installed BASIC safety equipment (like ABS, SRS airbags, stability control programs, etc.) a lot sooner than Volvo did.<p>I think Volvo is still a leader in safety no matter what the crash tests show. On the other han, I would hae liked to see Volvo become a PIONEER in installing safety equipment; they did it in the '90s, but they are falling behind...<p>Yannis</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yup, M-B was first w/ ABS.<p>We had this perpetual patch of ice behind our dealership where the salespeople would drive w/ the customer.<br>They would come up @ 20-30 mph, hit the ice and slam on the brakes!<br>The look on the customers face was priceless!<br>Sold alot of Mercedes that way. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I think the reason that Mercedes was first in those days is that they could afford to be.<br>Airbags and ABS and stability control were and are expensive to develop and install. Volvo was never a cash rich operation like Daimler-Benz AG.<p>There isn'tt alot of pioneering left I'm afraid.<br>What Volvo could do is to get off tgeir a$$ and install the 4 point belts they have been working on.<br>Ford just made a big deal of that, like THEY have been working on them <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>11110000</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A lot of these cars are essentially 'tuned' to produce good numbers on the tests. What happens in real world situations, especially those involving multiple impacts, is a big '?' for a lot of these guys. Volvo specifically researches this kind of stuff to provide the safest total package. They've been analyzing accidents for over 30 years.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>This makes a lot of sense. I've seen this as part of Volvo's pitch at the factory. So why don't they advertise this to "increase" their safety standing. <p>I don't think Volvo is falling behind as much as everyone else is catching up.
 

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Re: where is Volvo's safety?! (Freeworld)

Regarding Volvo's apparent lag in introducing safety equipment as standard on its models: Volvo always seems to install passive safety features before everyone else (as well as concentrating on structural innovations) but active safety equipment like ABS and DSTC does seem to take more time to become available/standard.<p>Secondly, I think that if Volvo were to advertise that its models are designed for the real world and not to the crash tests, I think other manufacturers for which this is NOT true would use the same pitch to cover up their safety deficits.<p>Thirdly, this is not to say that Volvo's models do poorly in crash tests. In fact, they are consistently either at the top or well above average in each class. And, in the IIHS tests, let's not forget that the only two Volvo model's thus tested eligible to make the top safety pick list, the S40 and the S60, both missed the Gold award by being downgraded one level in one aspect of the side impact evaluation, equating to a few millimeters (S40) or a few tenths of a force measurement (S60). <p>This being said, Volvo, Saab, and Mercedes Benz continue to lead the safety race through years of safety focused research in the real world. Now you just have to be careful to get a Saab-designed chassis (current 9-3 and 9-5). <p>Finally, I am sick and tired of Ford dragging Volvo's name throught the mud on with its commercials, saying they're working with the mosted trusted name in safety, Volvo. Well, the first models out after this comment, the Fusion/Milan/Zephyr triplets, only turn in mediocre results in the IIHS crash tests (worse than S40 and S60), so people assume Volvo is losing it's edge looking at those results. What people don't know is that those triplets are on a modified Mazda platform, NOT a Volvo platform! Compare the triplets to the IIHS results of the Five Hundred/Montego (Volvo P2 platform). Notice any difference? Now look at Euroncap.com for the results of the new Ford S-MAX (on the new Volvo designed EUCD platform, new S80)--it scored highest of any MPV ever tested! Sadly, just like GM/Saab, one must now sift through the Ford/Volvo models to find those with true Volvo safety DNA. Sorry...that turned into a rant...but I feel better now! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Geniusjustin at 1:04 PM 9-13-2006</i>
 
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