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I've been watching the market for a V70 T5, and it seems to be VERY rare for anything newer than a 2001. If I search cars.com at any distance, I can come up with dozens and dozens of 2001 T5's, but 2 2005's and 1 2004. Searchallcraigs.com and autotrader give similar results.<p>Did the sales numbers drop after 2001? Are they out there, but nobody want to part with them? It's easier to find an 04-06 R than a T5..... Why is that?
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (yuri1419)

I'm hoping others will be able to chime in here (JRL) but I can certainly tell you that the production numbers after 2001 dropped off precipitously.
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (yuri1419)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yuri1419</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've been watching the market for a V70 T5, and it seems to be VERY rare for anything newer than a 2001. If I search cars.com at any distance, I can come up with dozens and dozens of 2001 T5's, but 2 2005's and 1 2004. Searchallcraigs.com and autotrader give similar results.<p>Did the sales numbers drop after 2001? Are they out there, but nobody want to part with them? It's easier to find an 04-06 R than a T5..... Why is that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>T5 virtually disappeared after the R came out. It was simply outgunned and too close in price.
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (yuri1419)

Low sales and we don't want to give them up! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (VolvoMax)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VolvoMax</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>T5 virtually disappeared after the R came out. It was simply outgunned and too close in price.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I suppose it dissapeared after the R returned. If my notes are right, the P1 V70R was from 98-2000. Then no R trim in 2001-03, but it returned in 04.<p>If that's right, I guess it makes sense. I didn't know what the pricing and availability difference between a T5 and an R, but if they were close enough to get people to upgrade....<p>JRL basically scared me off of a R ( <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=117136" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=117136</A> ), but finding a T5 that's newer than 2002 is turning out to be tricky.
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (yuri1419)

Sales (and production) of V70 T5M's dropped<B> drastically </B>after 2001.<br>I've sold about five (5) 01's but have only seen one 02 and NO 03's or 04's.<br>Yannis brought in a couple 0f 05 6 speeds and they were the only ones I ever saw<br>of those
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (yuri1419)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>yuri1419</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>JRL basically scared me off of a R ( <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=117136" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=117136</A> ), but finding a T5 that's newer than 2002 is turning out to be tricky.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why would anything in that post scare you off I was trying to sell a T5 at the moment.<br>If I didn't like R's why would I have bought three in the past couple of weeks? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B>I own this wagon now, bought it yesterday (see my for sale post)</B><p>Price should be about the same, however if it needs anything that the prior dealer did not do I will fix it and the price will reflect this.<br>(It was a trade in to Enterprise used cars in April. Do you really think they are able to sell this, they know NOTHING about an R, much less Volvos in general))
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (JRL)

I was thinking about getting a T5 for a while (I was in an S80 at the time), and never found any locally. One day a 2002 T5 popped up locally on craigslist. That was a Monday. A girl hit my S80 Tuesday night, progressive totalled it out that Friday, I purchased the V70 T5 on Saturday morning. I hadn't even seen it in person, and walked up with cash in hand and have been in love ever since.<p>Fate?<p>I think so!
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (JRL)

I wasn't scared off of T5's, but the R's. It was this quote in particular, JRL:<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Since I've owned both 04Rs and an 06R I think I can say that I would own a T5 any day of the week over an R if I didn't live right next door (Literally one mile) to Keystone Volvo.<br>Little to no issues, about as fast with infinite more reliability and I can say that from experience</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Now an interesting note is that 2 of us quoted that same text in that thread, but the original isn't there anymore. I don't have an explanation for that.... if you didn't say that, please set me straight.<p>Anyway, that's what really made me wonder if an R is right for me. I have an 855T w/165K, and I love it, but it's biggest problem is that it keeps coming up with new repairs. So while I want the fun to drive volvo wagon, I need to prioritize reliability. When JRL says that without living next to the dealership he'd choose a T5 over an R, that means something to me.<p>The last post of that thread (not from JRL) regarding angle gears, suspension issues and headlamp leaks being a lot more expensive to repair took the wind out of my R sales. I'm not interested in unnecessary parts to fix, just a reliable wagon that's still fun to drive.
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (yuri1419)

It's probably more of a caveat emptor (buyer beware) than anything. The R has more complex parts (4C, AWD, etc.) and thus will be more maintenance-intensive. The T5 lacks these amenities (well, maybe some 2005+ T5s had the poor man's 4C, but...) and thus will bring fewer maintenance headaches. <p>The original price difference was fairly slim. My decision was made when they told me that they wouldn't honor A plan pricing on the R (first year of the P2 R), making it a $7k or so delta. I miss AWD from time to time in Vermont, but can survive without it. <p>Plus, so long as my mods total less than $7k invested (still true even after the Quaife install), I can convince myself that I got a bargain (and if they ever do break 7k, I'll just tell myself I would have had to replace the AWD collar at $2-3k so I feel better). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (VTT5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VTT5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Plus, so long as my mods total less than $7k invested (still true even after the Quaife install), I can convince myself that I got a bargain (and if they ever do break 7k, I'll just tell myself I would have had to replace the AWD collar at $2-3k so I feel better). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dude...your car reads dope! <p>Sounds like the perfect V70 when you couple the T5 with the 2004 build, not to mention the standard transmission <I>and</I> the LSD <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Slick... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (VTT5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VTT5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's probably more of a caveat emptor (buyer beware) than anything. The R has more complex parts (4C, AWD, etc.) and thus will be more maintenance-intensive. The T5 lacks these amenities (well, maybe some 2005+ T5s had the poor man's 4C, but...) and thus will bring fewer maintenance headaches. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, that's exactly why I'm interested in the T5 over the R. 247HP will do just fine, and since this is most often going to be driven with 2 kids in the back, adjustable suspension isn't really worth anything to me. With good snow tires, my FWD 855 has taken me everywhere I needed to go in the worst of Wisconsin winter.<p>I'd rather not go back to 2001 or 2002, not for any particular reason except age. I drive a car as long as it's reasonable, so I'd prefer to start newer. It's just frustratingly near impossible to find a T5 newer than that...
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sales (and production) of V70 T5M's dropped<B> drastically </B>after 2001.<br>I've sold about five (5) 01's but have only seen one 02 and NO 03's or 04's.<br>Yannis brought in a couple 0f 05 6 speeds and they were the only ones I ever saw<br>of those</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm not specifically seeking a T5M... just a T5 newer than 2002. My wife and I would both drive it, and she'd rather not have a manual. A GT would be a perfectly happy medium.
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (yuri1419)

Still not many at all.<br>I can count the number of 04-06 T5 wagons that I've seen <B>on 2 hands!</B>
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (JRL)

Yep... had I realized how rare they were a few weeks back when I found one 200 miles away, I might have tried a bit harder to be the buyer. It even had a 3rd row seat.<p>Seems I have to decide on getting an 01/02 T5 or an 04/05 R.... or have some unexpected luck. I have until the snow files to get my next car.
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (yuri1419)

Well, I just bought this <B>2005 V70R 6 speed, 3rd seat.</B><br>If you want an automatic, there is a wider choice out there (not by much though right now)<br>There's a 2006 V70R automatic, 27K miles, coming to auction next Tuesday,<br>if you're interested in either one, email or IM me
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (JRL)

I've been, and still am, watching your sales, JRL. I'm hoping to stay under 17K, and black and red are my last 2 color choices.<p>I'm sure there will be more.
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (yuri1419)

If you want a GT04 flash green with about 48K miles let me know, there's one around... it's not red or black!
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (yuri1419)

Interesting, I had no idea mine was so rare, I drive an 04 V70 T5M. See my sig. I'm considering giving it to the wife and getting an 05 R, but I'm holding out for an R /w NAV and manual (maybe a tall order), if my dream R doesn't show up I'll probably just opt to get the wife an XC90 or XC70.
 

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Re: Where are all the >2001 V70 T5s? (gooserex)

Buy mine, get a Garmin!
 
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