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Last September my wife and I purchased a 04 Flash green S60 R at the time it had 15k miles on it. I was able to get the car at a good price since it had been sitting on the lot for well over 6 months. My wife absolutely loves this car I mean loves it like pry it from her cold dead hands loves it. But in the 9 plus months we have had it the car has been in the shop at least 11 times, With the exception of replacing an abs module and continually trying to bend the exhaust the service department always reports the car is either fine or all Rs have that issue. <p>Yesterday the abs light came on for the 3rd time in 3 weeks. I took it over there with the light on they hook it up and tell me the car isn’t throwing any codes. At that point I just about lost my mind. The regional service rep happens to be there and overheard me. <p>After a 4 hour discussion they offered me a 06 titanium fully loaded with nav for a 4 year lease with 15k miles a year for $490 a month. Which off the top of my head seems like a good deal but that was the first offer so I’m sure they can do better plus I never told them about the discount I get with work.<p>I could always buy an extended warranty for my wife’s car and just keep dealing with the issues, but it makes me think I got a lemon and that’s why I was able to pick it up with such low miles. I was able to track down the dealer who originally sold it and serviced it but they flat out refuse to give me any of the service records for the car sighting privacy issues, which on one hand I kind of understand but also feeds my lemon paranoia.<p>Our current payment on the car is over $600 but it will be paid off in 2 years. So do you think I’m better off sticking with the 04 buying the warranty and having it paid off in 2 years or lease the 06 and hope its not in the shop every other week or do you think this is a long winded rant post and I just need to calm down and not worry about it. <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: What to do with this R? (minorthr)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>minorthr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">After a 4 hour discussion they offered me a 06 titanium fully loaded with nav for a 4 year lease with 15k miles a year for $490 a month. Which off the top of my head seems like a good deal but that was the first offer so I’m sure they can do better plus I never told them about the discount I get with work.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Never......I repeat never base the decision solely on the payment without knowing the details. There are many ways to hose you.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>minorthr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I could always buy an extended warranty for my wife’s car and just keep dealing with the issues, but it makes me think I got a lemon and that’s why I was able to pick it up with such low miles. I was able to track down the dealer who originally sold it and serviced it but they flat out refuse to give me any of the service records for the car sighting privacy issues, which on one hand I kind of understand but also feeds my lemon paranoia.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If the car was serviced by a Volvo dealer, you should be able to get a history from the current dealer by pulling the VIN.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>minorthr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Our current payment on the car is over $600 but it will be paid off in 2 years. So do you think I’m better off sticking with the 04 buying the warranty and having it paid off in 2 years or lease the 06 and hope its not in the shop every other week or do you think this is a long winded rant post and I just need to calm down and not worry about it. <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Since I do not know your car history (are you a "drive til it dies or trade every few years), this is a decision you will have to make. If you like to keep a vehicle, your only throwing additional $$$ away on a lease and you will be faced with another buying decision. Just my .02.
 

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Re: What to do with this R? (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Never......I repeat never base the decision solely on the payment without knowing the details. There are many ways to hose you.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah I havent even looked at the numbers yet which I plan on doing before I buy the car<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If the car was serviced by a Volvo dealer, you should be able to get a history from the current dealer by pulling the VIN.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>My dealer is telling me they dont have access to the info. That its not stored in a central data base.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Since I do not know your car history (are you a "drive til it dies or trade every few years), this is a decision you will have to make. If you like to keep a vehicle, your only throwing additional $$$ away on a lease and you will be faced with another buying decision. Just my .02.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>We had been planning on keeping this one til the wheels fell off, but our past history is new cars every 3 years or so
 

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Re: What to do with this R? (minorthr)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>minorthr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>I was able to track down the dealer who originally sold it and serviced it but they flat out refuse to give me any of the service records for the car sighting privacy issues, which on one hand I kind of understand but also feeds my lemon paranoia.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The only privacy issues I could think of was sharing with you who the previous owner was. As far as the car's service record goes, that IS information that you should have access to. YOU own the car. It is YOUR car. What, they don't want you to know about your car? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> Yeah, I'd be paranoid too. Good luck with your whole situation. <p>About the lease, work with the numbers more. I've seen posts about a whopping $10.5k lease incentive that should drive the lease numbers down, but as previously stated, payments are only one small part of a lease deal.
 

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Re: What to do with this R? (minorthr)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>minorthr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So do you think I’m better off sticking with the 04 buying the warranty and having it paid off in 2 years or lease the 06 and hope its not in the shop every other week or do you think this is a long winded rant post and I just need to calm down and not worry about it. <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think your concerns are warranted. You are paying $600 a month for a nice car that averages more than one trip a month to the dealer. You're not getting answers to your questions or problems resolved and that's a major concern. <p>I am not a fan of leasing cars. I know the payment is lower but you don't own anything at the end of deal. I mean 48 months @ $490 is almost $24k. What's the purchase price at the end? That could add another two or three years to the payments.<p>On the other hand, you've got two years left at $600 a month. If you throw in a 7 year 85k mile warranty for $2k or so you are probably $7k ahead than if you lease for four years.<p>I'd buy the warranty, save the $$ and if the car is still killing me in a few years, trade it in on something else. It seems to me you'll take the hit now (if you go for the lease) or possibly in a few years (if you trade the car in).<p>Good luck...
 

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Re: What to do with this R? (DocG)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DocG</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only privacy issues I could think of was sharing with you who the previous owner was. As far as the car's service record goes, that IS information that you should have access to. YOU own the car. It is YOUR car. What, they don't want you to know about your car? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> Yeah, I'd be paranoid too. Good luck with your whole situation. <p>About the lease, work with the numbers more. I've seen posts about a whopping $10.5k lease incentive that should drive the lease numbers down, but as previously stated, payments are only one small part of a lease deal. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Seriously, it is all centrally kept, at least for Volvo dealers. That's BS.<p>Get the '06, many less problems. Get a better deal and go for it if you love the car so much. '06 has many nice upgrades.
 

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Re: What to do with this R? (minorthr)

If you remember when I sold you that wheel, I told you to make an appt. down here at Keystone and get all your problem solved.<br>I will be happy to talk to the service manager before you do (IF you do) and give him a heads up<br>(HE can also get the records for you, or at least he can see them and relate to you what has happened if the original and/or service dealer is your "dealer" in Reading)
 

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keep it! you are the only other R in Reading. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: What to do with this R? (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Never......I repeat never base the decision solely on the payment without knowing the details. There are many ways to hose you.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I believe I heard there is decent cash back on leases for Rs this month, so this might not be such an unrealistic deal. With leases, it does basically come down to the years, mileage, and the amount of payment per month. Yes, you will need to ask them how much due at signing, but if it is not more than a couple grand you will still have a good deal. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, if they are trying to help you out and it is a good deal, take it!
 

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Re: What to do with this R? (I Roll)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">With leases, it does basically come down to the years, mileage, and the amount of payment per month. </TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>And cap cost, residual, money factor. These are all important.
 

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Re: What to do with this R? (minorthr)

I feel your pain in this situation and it's truly unfortunate. This is why I am glad that I leased my '04 R. While I love the car, and would love to buy it out at the end of the lease given the residuals, I can't see doing it given the number of issues that I have had that cannot be diagnosed. I have a bad feeling that the prices to fix some minor stuff may be astronomical and I know that the extended warranty may resolve some issues, but I still can't justify the money for a car with problems. <p>Unless they are willing to go lower on that lease, I don't know if I would take it. I'm sure that they will considering that that is a starting point. Perhaps JRL's proposal is the way to go and just go to a dealer with more R experience. <p>In any case, I would certainly not buy the current car given the run around you have been given, unless your issues are more than satisfactorily resolved. The fact that they won't give you service records is very skeptical.
 

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Re: What to do with this R? (minorthr)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>minorthr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>After a 4 hour discussion they offered me a 06 titanium fully loaded with nav for a 4 year lease with 15k miles a year for $490 a month. Which off the top of my head seems like a good deal but that was the first offer so I’m sure they can do better plus I never told them about the discount I get with work.<p>I could always buy an extended warranty for my wife’s car and just keep dealing with the issues, but it makes me think I got a lemon and that’s why I was able to pick it up with such low miles. <br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hmmm....lease costs you $24k and you have nothing at the end of 4 years <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> 2 years more with a PITA car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> I say sell it for the $21-23k you may get and start over with something else. There are a lot of nice 05 Rs around for under $30k. If that is what your girl loves, that is what I would get, unless of course you just couldn't live without Sonic Blue and Atacama, then an 06 would be justified. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Jim
 

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Re: What to do with this R? (surfsd)

Sonic Blue is the new Flash Green <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I'd go with Jim's recommendation and see if Keystone can get the car straight. If the regional rep has looked at the car, I would think that they may have exhausted their options- but thats not to say a more experienced dealer couldn't nail down the problem once and for all. <p>If your wife loves the car, do what you can to keep it in the family a few more years but if the issue can not be resolved, its time to put it down and out of its misery. A new S60R will help get the family over the loss <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p><br>
 

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I'm taking JRL's advice and taking it to Keystone on july 10th.<p>The lease deal was with $888 due at inception. Hopefully Keystone can get it straightened out, I'll buy the warranty and my wife can keep her flash green R because she is already complaining that she doesnt like any of the current colors but if she has to get a new one she wants magic blue with the Atacama <BR><BR>
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Re: What to do with this R? (minorthr)

Good idea. It just wouldn't make any sense to lease another R from a dealer that clearly DOES NOT know how to maintain an R. How would that really solve any problems? You would still be stuck bringing it back to them for service and to try and solve some more of the "normal" issues.<p>I feel your pain. I have several issues that I am told are "normal". Still looking for a good dealer in CT if anyone knows of any.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lost240</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Good idea. It just wouldn't make any sense to lease another R from a dealer that clearly DOES NOT know how to maintain an R. How would that really solve any problems? You would still be stuck bringing it back to them for service and to try and solve some more of the "normal" issues.<p>I feel your pain. I have several issues that I am told are "normal". Still looking for a good dealer in CT if anyone knows of any.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah after I had a night to think about it and talk to the guy at keystone the problems I am having with the exception of the ABS light are what would be considered normal R issues. The dealer I currently have just has no idea how to fix them.
 

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Re: What to do with this R? (minorthr)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>minorthr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The dealer I currently have just has no idea how to fix them.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Perhaps they should change the name to "non performance"?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>And cap cost, residual, money factor. These are all important.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know, I know, but we are talking about a borderlined lemon that sits in the shop all the time that he has a chance to get out of for a new car with a lower payment. If he goes with this new one he <I>should</I> have less headaches and less money come out of his pocket. If it dosen't work out with the new one, so what, it is a lease and he can drop it without being upside down in four years. I'm not saying go into this without researching the numbers, but other dealers might not want a Fgreen V70R that has a bunch of issues. Even if it is not the BEST deal out there for us, it might be the best for him to get out of the lemon.<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lost240</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Good idea. It just wouldn't make any sense to lease another R from a dealer that clearly DOES NOT know how to maintain an R. How would that really solve any problems? You would still be stuck bringing it back to them for service and to try and solve some more of the "normal" issues.<p>I feel your pain. I have several issues that I am told are "normal". Still looking for a good dealer in CT if anyone knows of any.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If it is a good deal, take it, and get the car serviced somewhere else. Even if he keeps the 04 he still has a Volvo. There is no contract that says if you buy here you must service here. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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