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I want to know how you guys wax your cars. What process do you guys take to make them shinny. Im in the process of changing my product choice, but Ill give you my current one. I start with a good washing, prefer by hand with a sponge and buckey, but sometimes a drivethrough wash is all I have time for. Then I clean all the paint with Meguires paint cleaner-step 1. I follow this up with a soft microfiber towel to remove any residue I didnt get with teh terrycloth towel. Then I use a very slightly abrasive polish from Meguires, this removes some of the oxidation and scratches. The paint is now unprotected, but litteraly squeeky clean. Next step will vary time to time is not performed every time. Sometimes I will apply the Zymol cleaner wax, supposed to be used as one step, but works well here, its a great cleaner wax, but not up there with the best purpose made products. I like its smell basicly, and I wasted 12 dollars on it. The other step I use a polish, mothers show polish. This is not an abrasive but rather a chemical paint protection. Its the stuff people use instead of carnuba. Makes the car very shiney, is long lasting, good protection, but lacks any color enhancing lustre. Then I apply two coats of Maguires pure Carnuba Paste wax and buff off. All is done by hand as I like its end effect better than my electric buffer, plus no swirl marks. Thats my deal, inbetween waxing I use mother show car spray cleaner shiner stuff.
 

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I use Eagle One Wet Wax. I just apply it by hand and use a terry cloth to take it off after it's dried to a white haze... That's how I do it, and it looks alright.<P>
 

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Guess you guys haven't tried Klasse or Zaino yet. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><BR> <A HREF="http://www.zainobros.com" TARGET=_blank>http://www.zainobros.com</A>
 

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pj's 850,<BR>You might want to consider a chenille wash mitt for your paint instead of that sponge, the mitt will draw the dirt up into itself while the sponge is just moving it around on the paint. Try the two bucket method, one for washing and one for rinsing so you're not rinsing off the dirt in your wash bucket. I use Klasse myself and like it a lot but I also put carnuba over it to add some depth. You might want to try P21S and Blitz wax, both will give you more durability than you'll get with the Meguires and both are considerably easier to work with,IMHO.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by billyray:<BR><B> I use Klasse myself and like it a lot but I also put carnuba over it to add some depth. You might want to try P21S and Blitz wax, both will give you more durability than you'll get with the Meguires and both are considerably easier to work with,IMHO. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I didn't know you can actually put carnuba wax over Klasse...doesn't that leave you with some residues?<P>Klasse is by far the easiest to work with.<BR>
 

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Carnuba will go nicely over Klasse, it will actually add nice warmth and depth to what some consider to be the "sterile" gloss that Klasse can impart. At the same time though the Klasse shine can be seen as too candy looking depending on how you look at it and to some extent the color of the car. My car being black and looking at it in some lights it does indeed look sterile while in other lights it takes on the candy look. Your car being silver would most likely yield different results. I love the Klasse and had eight layers of SG on it until October when I started waxing just for some extra winter protection. You can wax right over the Klasse with great results, a lot of enthusiasts do, the better quality the wax the better the end result. You were right in one sense Kai, once you put a carnuba over the polymer you can not re-layer the polymer over the wax, the poly won't bond to wax. The answer to that is to wash with Dawn dish liquid, (aka a "dawn wash) to strip the wax back down to the poly, it's a safe procedure paint wise and re wash with a quality shampoo after the Dawn before putting Klasse back down. If you intended to polish first as in AIO then you can skip the Dawn wash, AIO will remove the wax. A silver car might actually benefit from wax over Klasse where silver some times can be a tricky color to get a lot of depth from. No doubt the ease of use with Klasse makes it a good choice.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by billyray:<BR><B>Carnuba will go nicely over Klasse, it will actually add nice warmth and depth to what some consider to be the "sterile" gloss that Klasse can impart....</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hey, thanks for the in-depth explaination. That really clears up a lot of questions I have, a bit too lazy to read up those detail cleaning forum. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/tongue.gif"><P>I've never thought you could actually tackle the polymer and wax that way...with dish soap and all. But I can always use AIO to do the paint cleaning, right? I'm assuming that's for less serious "wax stripping" b/c I also use the Meguires Medallion Premium Paint Cleaner when I see rougher paint surface. Not sure if this is the right way, but I use AIO to do the cleaning most of the time.<P>I did also hear others say that to get the best result, more layer of Klasse sealant will help....but for some it never looks too impressive. I guess I'll try to put on layer of P21S wax after I detail clean the car this weekend and after some Zaino.<P>Thanks again for the advice....
 

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Hey my pleasure to pass it on. The dawn wash is real effective to just remove the wax and it is safe to do once a year depending on how you detail. AIO will do the job also, it's a very good polish as well as a good "base" for SG. Meguires Medallion is a good product for it's intended purpose within their line but have you ever tried 3M swirl mark remover for light\dark cars? Excellent product for using before AIO because it contains no silicones or fillers. I use the dark and swear by it but to each his own, for those that have their own technique. SMR is a nice pre AIO polish that will leave you with a deep gloss before you even AIO. Your color car would benefit greatly from multiple layers of SG, at least five or more and you will see a difference in gloss come about. Best results come from layers applied at least 24 hours apart or if you wash once a week do it after washing until you're satisfied with the gloss. Silver can be difficult to achieve a high gloss but possible. You might want to consider Blitz wax by One Grand, it's very highly reflective and long lasting at about half the cost of P21S and goes on and off pretty easily. Put the SG on so thin so you can just about see it and then remove with good microfiber towels, <A HREF="http://www.neatitems.com" TARGET=_blank>www.neatitems.com</A> has great towels at a great price and they wont mar your paint. I like <A HREF="http://www.autopia-carport.com" TARGET=_blank>www.autopia-carport.com</A> it's a great non-flaming, friendly site where everybody passes on their experience. If you plan to put wax over Zaino you might not like the results, wax doesn't seem to go well over Zaino as it does over Klasse. <p>[This message has been edited by billyray (edited 05-08-2002).]
 

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Do the non-carnauba products such as Klasse and Zaino leave any residue on your trim ? This is my major concern ,I haven't waxed my new T-5 yet and I wan't to get something that is easy to use...Zymol makes a product called volvo and i'm sure it works great but I bet it would be a pain to keep it off the trim. <P>
 

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Dont worry about the residue, I know how annoying it is to get white wax residue on trim, but it can be removed, and there are ways around it. One thing you can do is apply the Black Crome from turtle wax on before you wax, or after if you prefer, this removes wax very well and will keep it looking dark. It is not a die, so dont worry about that.<BR>
 

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OK. Lots of interesting stuff here, but still some unanswered questions. I have new V70 T5 and am interested in protecting my new finish. I don't think I'm ready for or need a polish yet.<P>Whats my best bet for protecting my finish and keeping a nice shine on my car?<P>Thanks<P>Mike<P>
 

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I just ordered the Zaino products for my new T5. I don't want to start an argument but Zaino is not a polish,it is a polymer coating or sealant.None of their products contain any abrasives...Basically from the research that i've done so far you have two choices regarding paint protection, Carnauba wax or synthetic sealant.<P>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VaughnsVolvo:<BR><B>I just ordered the Zaino products for my new T5. I don't want to start an argument but Zaino is not a polish,it is a polymer coating or sealant.None of their products contain any abrasives...Basically from the research that i've done so far you have two choices regarding paint protection, Carnauba wax or synthetic sealant.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yup yup~~! That's exactly how I look at this, too. But since billyray suggested that it is possible to put some wax over Klasse to get that deepest rich look, I'll give it a try this weekend.<P>I really miss that rich wax look......<BR><P>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VaughnsVolvo:<BR><B>o.k. you got me...you have three choices...<BR>1.sealant<BR>2.wax<BR>3.sealant and wax!<BR></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>#3, please..<P>
Originally posted by VaughnsVolvo:<BR><B>Volvo uses a clear coat, correct?</B><P>I thought so....<BR>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VaughnsVolvo:<BR><B>BTW...Volvo uses a clear coat, correct?<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>if your car is newer than 1985 most likely...<BR>if its older..probably not...<BR>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VaughnsVolvo:<BR><B>BTW...Volvo uses a clear coat, correct?<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Depends on the paint and model. 2002 S/V40s are all clearcoated, regardless of color. Any other model and model year Volvo, is only clearcoated if it is painted with a metallic paint.<P>Yannis<P>
 

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Billyray or anyone,<P>Need you help on this topic again..<P>We detailed the car last night, came out pretty good. Did a SMR then clay many problematic areas, then did the same process again...there was just some tough nasty stuff on there.<P>We then applied two layers of Zaino along with the cure catalyst thingy. It came out pretty good, but it almost didn't have as obvious acrylic look I got from this local detail shop before. <P>Is it bad if I keep on applying those quick detailing spray thingy every now and then to keep it at tip top condition? I mean would those spray actually take out the layers of Zaino? <BR>TIA~~!
 

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To answer an above post, earlier on. Zaino is a polymer, not a polish. I use the term genericly as people seem to call polish both the abrisve kind and the polymer kind. As far as protecting new paint, you want to use a paint sealer, 3m makes a good product for this. A paint cleaner, one that doesnt contain abrasives, like p21s products, is a good first step. Then a sealant glaze of some sort, again no abrasives. Then a polymer polish, like Zaino, Klasse, or top finish. Follow this, in my opinion, and again, this is what the concourse pros do, along with most detailing shops I know of, a few coats of carnuba wax. Carnuba wax can protect in ways that a polymer cant, just as a polymer can protect in ways that a carnuba wax cant. This is my recomendation, but also looking into some detailing forums, as I have recently been doing, practicing on older cars you have around, or inconspicuous areas. Using a detailing spray is a good thing really, it keeps the finish going, if you use zaino, then use there detailing spray. Usually these contain a small amount of the wax or polymer used in the regular wax or polymer polish. They also contain cleaners, glossifiers, and lots of water. Its good to use these though because you want to keep dirt from sitting on your car, especially dirt left from rain, bird droppings, tree droppins, etc. Bugs are bad too, oh man are they bad, I found that out the hard way.
 
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