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Water injection with a "cold fusion' twist

I'll post this here because of this forum's eclectic group of performance 'techies'. Jim/Lee please move it to the lounge if there's no interest here.<p>Has anybody noticed this guy and his 'energized' water injector? He's claiming 30% MPG increase.<p><A HREF="http://tampatrib.com/Business/MGBKD7YQIGE.html" TARGET="_blank">http://tampatrib.com/Business/MGBKD7YQIGE.html</A><p>I'm not endorsing this thing at all. It has the smell of 'snake oil' to me. Especially since the article mentions the guy is a business major about to take his company public. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Bender</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">tested this on mythbusters... it didnt work</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Which episode?<p><A HREF="http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/episode/episode.html" TARGET="_blank">http://dsc.discovery.com/fansi....html</A><p>PS: Here's some history on the process --<p><A HREF="http://www.brownsgas.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.brownsgas.com</A><p>
 

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Re: Water injection with a "cold fusion' twist (ljjones)

With sufficient energy input, it's possible to disassociate hydrogen from oxygen in water. If you then squirt the hydrogen and oxygen into an engine, you will make power. So, yes, your <I>gasoline</I> fuel consumption will go down. Heck, it could probably go to zero.<p>However, if you take into consideration the energy expended to do the hydrolysis, your total <I>energy</I> consumption is probably worse than using gasoline alone.<p>I could plumb up a propane tank and do the same thing. Gas mileage would be great! Just don't ask me about the propane mileage.<p>No free lunch.
 

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Re: Water injection with a "cold fusion' twist (Dyno)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dyno</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...if you take into consideration the energy expended to do the hydrolysis, your total <I>energy</I> consumption is probably worse than using gasoline alone...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, one of his websites mentions adding a heavy duty 160 amp alternator to the motor to run the electrolysis. He says he did tests with the gas injection just vented to the atmosphere with electrolysis still running to calibrate electrical energy losses. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>
 

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Re: Water injection with a "cold fusion' twist (Dyno)

Here's the page with the track tests:<p><A HREF="http://hytechapps.com/applications/HHOS.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://hytechapps.com/applications/HHOS.htm</A><p>Like Phelps' IMF, I disavow all knowledge of the afore-mentioned.<p><br>EDIT: He said he was carrying 3 gals of water and "electrolyte", but he didn't say how much of that he used. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by ljjones at 8:23 PM 5-26-2006</i>
 

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Re: Water injection with a "cold fusion' twist (ljjones)

Well the way I see it is that if this works like they say it does, then all they have to do is hook up a generator powered by the gas to the gas generator, and then just keep feeding it water, right? Not perpetual-motion, since you're consuming water in the process, but if you can get a net energy gain from the process that should be possible.<p>The testing was highly unscientific though. I can introduce a variance of up to half a gallon or so in my 'topping off' of my tank. Driving into and out of the wind could easily skew those numbers, and nobody measured the remaining charge in the battery after the runs.
 

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Re: Water injection with a "cold fusion' twist (partridge)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>partridge</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...The testing was highly unscientific though...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Unscientific to say the least. Bordering on fraudulent.<p>Id like to see more controlled tests comparing it to just injecting hot water vapor instead of his fancy "Aquygen gas". I'll bet results would be similar.<p>The reason the tests are so vague and anecdotal is that he's trying to raise investment money with an initial stock offering. It's the same scam we've seen a thousand times. Is this what they teach in business schools these days? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>He did get this guy to write a "scientific" paper for him:<p><A HREF="http://hytechapps.com/science/Santilli.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://hytechapps.com/science/Santilli.htm</A><p>I can't wait to dig up the peer-reviewed response from the chemistry community. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 

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Apparently Fox reported on it...<p><A HREF="http://www.vidiLife.com/index.cfm?f=media.play&vchrMediaProgramIDCryp=0EEA62C8-9186-4FF9-920C-3" TARGET="_blank">http://www.vidiLife.com/index....20C-3</A>
 

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Re: Water injection with a "cold fusion' twist (partridge)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>partridge</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...hook up a generator powered by the gas to the gas generator, and then just keep feeding it water, right? Not perpetual-motion, since you're consuming water in the process, but if you can get a net energy gain from the process that should be possible...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>And since the combustion product of the "gas" is water, just feed that back to the input and you have perpetual motion again! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 
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