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Does anyone own a manual transmission C70? Can you comment on its operation (long or short throws, smooth or clunky movement, vague or precise gear engagement) and whether it extracts more performance out of the T5 engine?<p>I recently test drove a '08 C70 automatic and was underwhelmed with the performance. Wish they would offer a V6 instead. Also, the light wood trim is a poor match with the dark leather interior, wish they kept the brushed aluminum trim available.
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (jim07044)

I could be wrong about this, but from the info that has recently been put on the US Volvo web site, it looks like the 2009 C70 will go have the choice of aluminum interior trim OR the oak trim. Actually, it looks like the standard will be aluminum, and the oak will be an option.<p>
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (jim07044)

Re the transmission - I agree with the comment about lack of performance in the T5 (I had a '07 model in Jan '07 and sold it after just 6 months) but not sure whether that's down to turbo lag or whether the Geartronic soaks up the power. I have read comments that the manual transforms the car. I do recall testing both in 2006 and felt at that time that Geartronic was more in keeping with the character of the car, now I'm not so sure. The clutch and gear change were very light and not at all notchy, it was purely down to the 'feel good factor'. I had arranged to test a manual yesterday but circumstances prevented me, am hoping to do so Monday instead.<p>In the UK there was a choice of dark walnut or aluminium interior trim, but since the change to the centre console and the introduction of Nordic Oak, the walnut has disappeared and it's a choice between the Oak or Aluminium. I'm looking at the used market (lost too much first time around) so I have to take what's available but will want to change the Oak if that's what I get. I have been looking at the mods available for the C30 (as mentioned on my thread 'Compatabilty') and find that there are Volvo add-ons which stick over the centre stack and offer a wider range of colours and finishes. Volvomax also advised me some time ago that owners were able to apply a plastic trim - seeing an actual pic, I was quite impressed.
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (erisaman)

I'm on my second C70 T5 6MT. Night and day if you compare it to the 5GT. <p>The 6MT is faster! <br>More fun to drive!<br>You get better milage!
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (T5_awd)

Nordic Oak was standard on VERY EARLY 2008's until dealer reaction forced Volvo to ditch it and return back to aluminum trim haflway through production. Nordic Oak is now a $150 option on the C70.<p>I've seen the walnut on UK spec C70's and its gorgeous.<p>As for the M/T; its the same powertrain combo in C30's, S40's, and V50's (the T5 versions, that is). If your local dealer doesn't have a C70 MT to test, then drive one of the others as it'll be a similar driving experience.
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (jim07044)

Mid-day here in the UK and I've just come back from that test drive in the manual C70. Bear in mind - this is the D5, turbo diesel, 185bhp against the T5 at 230 BHP, but oodles of torque to turn push into shove.<p>My first move was to ask the salesman to drive it - to show me what it could do. Yes, he had it singing and dancing, but the roads were narrow and we had to take obvious care, there were no freeway/highways/motorways around to test 70mph+ power. I enjoyed .... but.<p>I then took the wheel and drove back to the dealership, not knowing the roads but working my way up and down the gearbox, dropping from 5th into 3rd then back through 4th etc (we never did get into 6th!!).<p>The doubts were nagging, this is no sports car, you can forget four wheel drift and accept four wheel waft - it's oft said that it's a cruiser not a bruiser and I echo that, very much as I did two years ago!<p>So, it's Geartronic for me after all, but there will be a little warming under the bonnet, possibly an add-on box but probably a remap to bring the BHP up to 220 or thereabouts.<p>As I've said, it's all subjective inasmuch as what do we want out of the car - for me, maybe an age thing, I reckon the character of the car called for auto rather than manual.<p>Oh, and fuel consumption? A little better than the auto when used in town, but freeway driving cuts the difference - and this morning's racy romp used diesel at the rate of 39mpg, which will seem brilliant to our US cousins but the UK gall is about 20%more than the US gall so 39mpg equates to 32mpg in the States.
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (erisaman)

Hmm, I'm getting the feeling there is a reason why finding a 6MT C70 is so rare. Which then explains why I hardly see any C70s on the road at all (and if I do, they are driven by women), and why I see so many BMW 3-Series Convertibles and Audi A4 Cabriolets instead. This could all be significantly improved if only Volvo offered its 227-hp 3.2 inline-6 engine as a replacement for the rough-running T5, as well as some sort of Heico-inspired factory Sport Package that included 19-inch wheels/tires, flared wheel well arches, sport exhaust system, etc.
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (jim07044)

Hey - I'm not a woman, in fact, until recently I was known for my racing techniques on the Jaguar proving grounds <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Seriously, I know what you mean and TBH, there were times when I had the T5 that I wished I'd gone for a MT, however, whereas you can 'throw' a stick shift car into a low gear to wind thru a roundabout and out as fast as a bat out of what's-name, the C70 is not a car to be thrown anywhere, and maybe that's what defines it.<p>Yes, the Audi is a fine motor, and dependant on what engine you pick then it's a real performer. Sadly, the fabric roof is it's Achilles Heel, not from performance or ability, but simply from the aesthetics.<p>The BMW is another fine car but is let down by it's roof-up looks, it lacks the sheer beauty of it's 3 series coupe sibling, but looks rather like a convertible with a hard top attached. The C70 is far more elegant, top up or top down.<p>All being my opinion of course! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (jim07044)

I have a 2006 T5 MT6 and love it. One of the best cars with a stick I've owned.
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (Stuvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Stuvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">One of the best cars with a stick I've owned.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>+1
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (T5_awd)

Just back from GOT OSD pickup of one of the rare 2008 'in stock' 6spd manual C70's.<p>I only put 829 miles on Southern Sweden's predominately 2 lane blacktop roads (lots of speed cameras) - but the 6spd was flawless...and way more fun and responsive than the manumatic in our 2005 V50 T5 AWD - despite the extra weight and added HP of the C70. No turbo lag to speak of...and pedals are spaced close enough for good heel and toe stuff.<p>Our Silver (like my hair now) C70 looks MUCH better with the top down than the V50, too. Even the Light Nordic Oak dash (off-black leather interior) started to grow on me before I had to give 'em back the keys (OK - the wife's key) when we turned it in.<p>Besides - You could fry and egg on the Aluminum trim on a sunny day with the roof down. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (jim07044)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jim07044</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hmm, I'm getting the feeling there is a reason why finding a 6MT C70 is so rare. Which then explains why I hardly see any C70s on the road at all (and if I do, they are driven by women), and why I see so many BMW 3-Series Convertibles and Audi A4 Cabriolets instead. This could all be significantly improved if only Volvo offered its 227-hp 3.2 inline-6 engine as a replacement for the rough-running T5, as well as some sort of Heico-inspired factory Sport Package that included 19-inch wheels/tires, flared wheel well arches, sport exhaust system, etc.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Come over to my store and I have one on the lot and two more coming...<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>The 3.2L engine would be disastrous for the C70. The T5 engine is not rough at all...want rough? Try the 4-cyl VW, er, Audi engines...<p>Yannis
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (jim07044)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jim07044</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hmm, I'm getting the feeling there is a reason why finding a 6MT C70 is so rare. Which then explains why I hardly see any C70s on the road at all (and if I do, they are driven by women), and why I see so many BMW 3-Series Convertibles and Audi A4 Cabriolets instead. This could all be significantly improved if only Volvo offered its 227-hp 3.2 inline-6 engine as a replacement for the rough-running T5, as well as some sort of Heico-inspired factory Sport Package that included 19-inch wheels/tires, flared wheel well arches, sport exhaust system, etc.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You really need to get your facts straight........ <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>1.) finance and lease programs on BMW and Audi cabs are better than those on the C70. I know because I have a 2008 BMW 328Cic.<p>2.) the 3.2L makes 235 HP, its the T5 that makes 227 HP <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>3.) the T5 is NOT rough running. Compare it to the VW/Audi 2.0T.<p>4.) The mods you propose will RUIN the looks of the C70. If you need a car to bastardize, look elsewhere.<p>5.) the C70 6MT is not as rare as you think it is. I know of several (both new and used) in the DC metro area for sale.
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (jim07044)

I've driven both.<br>The manual is certainly more fun.<br>The shifter is a little rubbery compared to some others.<p>Resale of a manual will be difficult though.<p>
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (njb8199)

Sounds like the 6MT C70 is probably similar to a 6MT Mercedes SLK or C-Class sedan ... transforms the driving experience, not maybe not a best match for the character of the car ... I disagree that the VW-Audi 1.8T/2.0T engine is rougher ... my wife's car is a 1.8T Audi and it is smoother to me than the C70's engine, certainly the Audi engine is more sporting in nature, offering more serious performance ... in the US, at least, 5-cylinder engines seem to be an odd compromise (the VW Jetta's 170-hp 5-cylinder engine is the base model while the 200-hp 2.0T 4-cylinder is an upgrade; Acura's unloved Vigor also comes to mind) ... and for a MSRP $45,000 car, a 6-cylinder engine should really be standard in the C70, especially when its an easy selection from the Volvo parts bin ... anyway, thanks for the feedback from you Volvo fans ... I agree the C70 is a great looking car, I'm just not sure this guy is sold on the bias towards luxury/features vs. sport/performance to other comparable 4-seat convertibles in its price segment.
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (jim07044)

I should also add: what happened to Volvo's R models? When the Germans all have their inhouse factory-tuned higher performance models (Mercedes AMG, BMW M-Sport, Audi S/RS cars), Volvo's R-cars have disappeared from the landscape, only left will costly R-line appearance packages. Cost cutting? I'd say someone at Volvo believes the Volvo brand language does not include the word "performance" anymore. Interesting to note that the C70 (Gen. I or II) never was blessed with a R model, either. Thats too bad, especially when you consider the German marques can cut both ways: you can spec a BMW 3-Series as an affordable entry-level luxury car, or check a couple option boxes and get a serious high performance M-Sport version.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by jim07044 at 3:45 PM 9-30-2008</i>
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (jim07044)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jim07044</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I recently test drove a '08 C70 automatic and was underwhelmed with the performance. Wish they would offer a V6 instead. Also, the light wood trim is a poor match with the dark leather interior, wish they kept the brushed aluminum trim available.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Our demonstrator at the dealer (way back when) was a girltronic transmission, and yes the transmission really robs a lot of response from the car. The car felt really sluggish and there was a noticeable lag between stomping on the gas and being pressed into the seats.<p>When we finally test drove the 6MT, I was amazed at the night/day difference in responsiveness. The torque of this engine makes a manual transmission a breeze to drive in almost any kind o situation. The shifter is easy to manage with average throw and feedback. The car rarely complains about your gear choice and the only feedback you get is from the tach... there is never any engine noise penetrating the cabin except for a faint growl from the exhaust at full throttle.<p>I can't imagine enjoying this car with a manual transmission, but as the sales figures show... more people buy them with autos than manuals. Of course 3/4 of BMWs have auto-trans now too. Most people want the status of power but not the bother of managing it...<p>Sure we could tolerate a few more horses under the hood, but lightening the car would be just as nice and probably improve handling more.
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (oilspot)

Well, as a 26y old Volvo driver, I can only comment that I love the D5 + geartronic on my car. I bought the car to cruise, as it is build for, not to own a fast or even race type car. That's why BMW's are built. In the long run you will have the most fun with the geartronic I personally think.<p>When I drove loaner C30's with manuals, I was alway happy to get back in my c70. As previously owned audi, and test drove BMW's, I can only tell you if you love manual, than stay away from volvo.<p>Love my car though! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Wanted: C70 manual transmission comments (oilspot)

I agree on the responsiveness of the manual, way better than the automatic. The stick isn't notchy, but throw is a little longish for me.<p>The car is fun, and really isn't that far from being a whole lot of fun. Switching into better tires (Potenzas) have noticeably improved handling and acceleration due to the better grip. I am considering a sway bar to improve handling and an IPD chip for a little more oomph. That said, I think dropping some poundage would be a quicker and more fuel efficient way to improve the fun factor.
 
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