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I currently have an S70 1999 MT and need an AWD for towing my boat once in a while, the S70 won't get it out of the water (front wheel spins).<p>I'm going to see an S60-R 2004, 140 000km, Auto for 15K$CDN (12K$US) and I might got see an 2005 Manual which is 21K$cdn, 114 000km.<p>Any good reason for one another? Any major problem with the R ? I saw some post on the angle gear that break every 50K miles or so, is there a way to get the car AWD from start?
 

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Re: Want to buy an S60-R, need some guidance (Icefire)

The R probably won't get a boat out of the water either.<br>You need a RWD biased AWS system
 

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And why a 300HP AWD wouldn't pull the boat out? if the front start spining, the rear will take the power...
 

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You don't want to listen... fine, knock yourself out (sigh)
 

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Re: Want to buy an S60-R, need some guidance (Icefire)

I doubt any R will do it for you, and surely not a 2004 with its lesser AWD scheme
 

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Re: Want to buy an S60-R, need some guidance (JimLill)

You need a truck where you can lock all four drive wheels in low range
 

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Re: Want to buy an S60-R, need some guidance (JRL)

JRL is completely right in this situation imo the R's AWD system was not designed for this type of event. you would need a truck the R just wont cut it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Want to buy an S60-R, need some guidance (97GLTbrick)

It will be a good way to convert your AWD R into a NWD (no wheel drive) or FWD R <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Want to buy an S60-R, need some guidance (GiRaff3)

One boat usually leads to another.......................<p>So get a used SUV now (as a second vehicle) so you will be ready for the next boat. <br> And still get the S60R so you have a fun daily driver. <br>oclv
 

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Yes...especially if you're towing a heavy boat, please buy a full size truck/suv. I'm not worried about you getting the thing out of the water, I'm worrid about you being able to slow it down under control, and avoiding jack knifes.
 

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I find weird that you all say an AWD wouldn't be able to tow a 19' fiberglass boat, which probably weight 2500pounds max. The max tow weight of the S70 and S60-R is 3300lbs.<p>I'm talking about towing the boat maybe 4-5 times max per years, I have no use to buy an SUV or pickup for this. even small Sidekicks 4x4 with less than 100hp can get a boat out..<p>Maybe I'm missing something but the S60-R can have up to 70% power to the rear drive, which means can do near 50-50....<p>Even a Subaru would do it...
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Icefire</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I find weird that you all say an AWD wouldn't be able to tow a 19' fiberglass boat, which probably weight 2500pounds max. The max tow weight of the S70 and S60-R is 3300lbs.<p>Maybe I'm missing something but the S60-R can have up to 70% power to the rear drive, which means can do near 50-50....<p>Even a Subaru would do it...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>i think the volvo could do it. Not sure i'd necessarily buy and R to tow a boat, but i understand where you are coming from..i have a small boat too and always have trouble finding/borrowing a truck.<p>Subaru's have a rwd biased awd me thinks too, but like i said, an R will do it too.<p>Rs weigh a bit more, and have completely different suspension setups, along with wider tires, AND awd. If the drive isn't very far, I'm sure you will be just fine.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Icefire</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I find weird that you all say an AWD wouldn't be able to tow a 19' fiberglass boat, which probably weight 2500pounds max. The max tow weight of the S70 and S60-R is 3300lbs.<p>I'm talking about towing the boat maybe 4-5 times max per years, I have no use to buy an SUV or pickup for this. even small Sidekicks 4x4 with less than 100hp can get a boat out..<p>Maybe I'm missing something but the S60-R can have up to 70% power to the rear drive, which means can do near 50-50....<p>Even a Subaru would do it...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I always find it funny when someone registers, asks a question in their first post and then goes on to ignore and attempt to refute the responses they receive.<p>If you're certain that the s60R is your ideal tow vehicle, then go ahead and get it. As for the specific questions you asked in your first post, the MT is your better bet for any towing, as the GT has torque limiting in first and second gear.<p>BTW, for reference, I paid $20K CAD for my 04 V70R with 73k km last year.<p>Cheers,<p>J
 

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Re: Want to buy an S60-R, need some guidance (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You need a truck where you can lock all four drive wheels in low range</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree with JRL as well. The R just doesnt have the right stuff for pulling a boat out of the water. Especially of a possibly damp ramp. How big a boat, what type trailer??
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Icefire</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I find weird that you all say an AWD wouldn't be able to tow a 19' fiberglass boat, which probably weight 2500pounds max. The max tow weight of the S70 and S60-R is 3300lbs.<p>.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Why don't you <B>READ</B> what everyone has said. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>You surely can <B>TOW </B>the boat, you probably <B>will NOT</B> <B>be able to <U>pull it out of the </U><B> <U>water.</U></B><p>BTW, Subaru's AWD systems are <B>NOT</B> RWD orientiated
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BTW, Subaru's AWD systems are <B>NOT</B> RWD orientiated</TD></TR></TABLE><p>IIRC, some of them R (such as the STI and Legacy GT). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>IIRC, some of them R (such as the STI and Legacy GT). <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>They may be programmed that way but they're still based on FWD architecture
 

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Post what kind of boat it is. The dry weight of the boat. The weight of the trailer. The tongue weight of the trailer. I can almost guarantee you'll be over the 3300 lb limit with a 19' boat.<p>Don't forget about the weight of the gas/ice/beer/and other gear on the boat. Also, since you're young I'm assuming you're wakeboarding. Ballast?<p>IMO opinion, an auto is a better choice for towning than a stick. Slipping the clutch with 5k lbs of weight on the tow eats up clutches quick...I've done it, but it's easier with an auto.<p>Also...you can rent a truck from home depot for $25 if all you do is move it 4-5 times a year.
 

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kmagnuss, here in Canada you can't rent a pickup for 25$ anywhere. The boat is a 19 foot fiberglass with a tubing trailler with rollers. I can pick the toungue from the ground and put it on the ball with some force. So I doutb it's more than 3000lbs with all the stock in it.<p>For those who say I just don't want to listen, sorry but you are just saying, buy something else, with no reason.<p>If you would have said that you will break the angle gear the 1st time you will try to bring it out of the water because it's a bad design, I would have listened, but you all say nothing about what is the problem.<p>The reason I want an R was for a daily driver AND be able to get the f* boat out of the water once in a while. And the place where I put the boat in the water is less than 30 minutes from home. Not a big ride.<p>Anyway the car I went to see wasn't appealing.
 
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