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Finally had a chance to take the cars out together on this balmy December day. 8 degrees C with humidity, so really ultimate conditions.

My car is on snows and the awd is not working (LSD in the front however makes a huge difference), the Golf is on summer tires with a 250 lb passenger.

Overall the Golf is a beautiful car and being manual is a huge bonus. With the manual there is no launch control and it won't allow clutch dumps over a certain rpm so it is not as quick as the DSC version. Funner though.

After a couple of hours of driving hard we were pretty evenly matched. He's still learning the car so in time might be able to go harder into the corners but I was on winter tires and never squealed the tires on any corners.

In a drag race I would sit and spin and he would get about three lengths ahead and by third gear I would start to reel him back in, if I had awd working I think I would have walked away from the start.

Overall a great way to spend an afternoon.

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what have you done to your car? You put XC crap on it?
 

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Sounds like a fun time. If we are going to be real here, your buddy is the reason you were evenly matched. Anyone who knows how to properly drive a Golf R should be able to walk away from a VR. The Golf R has been putting up better track times than my P* which easily walks away from the VR. I regularly go on drives with a group of VR's and SR's so I know the performance gap between the two. I have VR's squealing 4 tires trying to keep up with me when I am barely pushing it and I am by no means a highly skilled driver.
 

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Sounds like a fun time. If we are going to be real here, your buddy is the reason you were evenly matched. Anyone who knows how to properly drive a Golf R should be able to walk away from a VR. The Golf R has been putting up better track times than my P* which easily walks away from the VR. I regularly go on drives with a group of VR's and SR's so I know the performance gap between the two. I have VR's squealing 4 tires trying to keep up with me when I am barely pushing it and I am by no means a highly skilled driver.
With DSG yes, but the manual is half a second slower to 60 as well as in the quarter.
 

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what have you done to your car? You put XC crap on it?
Did this first

<a href="http://imgur.com/zVnR5S1"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/zVnR5S1.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

Then bought an XC for $1500, drove it for a year and then used the body to rebuild it.
 

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With DSC yes, but the manual is half a second slower to 60 as well as in the quarter.
Yeah, I forgot how much slower the manual was. C & D even has it at 0.7 seconds slower to 60. The DSC is a no brainer in this case. What's crazy is the DSG with an APR Stage 1 is a sub 4 second car.
 

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Which is awesome but having a modern performance car with a manual is cooler.

If you had to give up half a second to have a manual in the P* would you?
 

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Which is awesome but having a modern performance car with a manual is cooler.

If you had to give up half a second to have a manual in the P* would you?
Absolutely not! I have said this many times before as well. Having a manual is meaningless to me. One of the most fun cars I've put serious miles on had 1 gear, the Tesla Roadster. It had manual Steering and the most raw driving experience I have ever had. I have never found myself wanting a manual when driving the P*. The driving experience is so engaging and the gearing is done so well, that I do not see a manual adding anything to the experience. To me the only cars that gain any benefit from a manual are low hp cars that lack the engagement otherwise.
 

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Did this first

<a href="http://imgur.com/zVnR5S1"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/zVnR5S1.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

Then bought an XC for $1500, drove it for a year and then used the body to rebuild it.
no wonder the AWD doesn't work...
 

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I can't do Auto trans on Halo Cars. Just can't do it. I Know it's all going there but I find them so meh. Won't do Auto unless it's on an SUV or Audi A8 style car.
 

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I can't do Auto trans on Halo Cars. Just can't do it. I Know it's all going there but I find them so meh. Won't do Auto unless it's on an SUV or Audi A8 style car.
How many have you driven? This is generally the opinion of someone who has not spent very much seat time in one. Manuals are fun but when you get to a certain level of speed, focusing on your driving line and braking points is a lot more important. As I said before, low hp cars and manuals go hand and hand. It's all about getting the most experience out of the least. High HP cars, it's about making the most out of what you have. Giving up half a second for a manual is ridiculous. People spend crazy amounts of money to gain half a second.
 

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Sounds like a fun time. If we are going to be real here, your buddy is the reason you were evenly matched. Anyone who knows how to properly drive a Golf R should be able to walk away from a VR. The Golf R has been putting up better track times than my P* which easily walks away from the VR. I regularly go on drives with a group of VR's and SR's so I know the performance gap between the two. I have VR's squealing 4 tires trying to keep up with me when I am barely pushing it and I am by no means a highly skilled driver.

Just wait
 
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