[damyeu]

Sorry to sound condescending.<P>After reading this board and Volvospy over the last 2 weeks, I have decided to stop reading postings on Volvospy's board.<P>Reason: The comments are so trivial that I wonder if these chaps do any work the whole day. Questions even centre on what colour they should buy. My goodness, can't that decision be made individually without such waxing and waning going on. If Volvo had to handle every nitpicking these guys cough up, their hotlines will be on 24-hours a day. <P>Swedespeed has so far been discussing topics of interest and relevance. Please do not degrade this web site to that level.<P>Thanks!

 

[[email protected]]

I'm not new to discussion boards. I've been on some listservers since 1995, and our VWvortex forum has been up for several years now. From what I've found, most of the auto enthusiast groups I have seen have a wide variety of users and they don't all agree on what should be posted or to what degree. You always have the super technical vs. the casual user, and in other cases there is the age gap. <P>I think it's important to point out here that Volvospy has been around much longer than Swedespeed has, providing it with size greater than Swedespeed. This will surely increase the amount of irrelevant posts to a specific taste such as yours.<P>We welcome you, but I fear as we grow, we too will lose our intimacy and particular relevance to your tastes.<P>At VWvortex we have over 20,000 registered users and average well over 100 people on the board at a given time. We get many complaints similar to yours, but I fear this is the way of growth. One thing we have done there in its expansion, is to offer technical forums based on the various engines offered by VW and then wheels/tires etc. That system seems to weed out the casual user and the more techno-oriented user. We'll do it here at some point too once our readership has grown.<P>Welcome, but please have patience with other users. To some, choosing the color of their car is just as important as say a lowering spring or ECU upgrade choice to another. Both are welcome here, and I would bet that both are welcome at Volvospy as well.

 

[damyeu]

Thanks for the insight. I look forward to the day when the dicussion forum is arranged accoring to topics of interest so that we can direct ourselves immediately to a particular topic of relevance.<P>Keep up the good work and as you grow, I hope that you meet the needs of all users with aplomb.

 

[hwhelply]

Originally posted by damyeu:<BR>Sorry to sound condescending.<P>After reading this board and Volvospy over the last 2 weeks, I have decided to stop reading postings on Volvospy's board.<P>Reason: The comments are so trivial that I wonder if these chaps do any work the whole day...<P>I can understand your point of view. However, as one new not only to this board as well as volvospy (about one month) but also a first-time Volvo owner, I sift through the many postings on volvospy to see if there are issues that seem to be common and may affect me. (I certainly don't read all of them.) I'm pleased that so far there appear to be no significant concerns to anticipate. A larger following for a Volvo discussion board represents, in effect, a larger sample of Volvo owners. Thus, I'm glad to have access to volvospy. Frankly, I've found Swedespeed of roughly the same quality and helpfulness--I think there's some "fluff" here, too--just not in so great a quantity.

 

[Evolvo]

Volvospy seems like a nice site to me. I just don't read the threads that I'm not into. The only downside to Volvospy is their forums software. I'm not big on the threading kind that they use and some others. <P>I like the setup these guys use? Which forum software is this BTW. I'd like to start a website and I'm thinking about using this if it is shareware.

 

[FrankV]

I don't think you should compare volvospy with swedespeed. All volvo related site add something to the volvo scene on the net. <BR>The only point you can compare the sites is on the visitors. I have the impression that swedespeed (and fi brickboard too) is very US oriented. Fine if you live in the US, but I live in Europe and find the Euro-info on volvospy very interesting.<P>greetz

 

[TheEFFecT]

Evolvo, check the link at the bottom of the page, this software is called Ultimate Bulitin Board and it's free if you don't want to register to get some of the better features.

 

[Bob the V]

After some brief contact, I gave up on Volvospy a long time ago. Like others have noted, the software is difficult to navigate. I hang out at the Brickboard on occasion, mostly commenting on vintage Volvo questions.<P>I'm somewhat of a lurker here, I don't currently own a Volvo. I have a 99 Passat <I><A HREF="http://clubb5.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000018.html" TARGET=_blank>(see here)</A> </I> and I'm a moderator for the <A HREF="http://www.clubb5.com" TARGET=_blank>www.clubb5.com</A> Passat forum. I frequent the VWVortex and ClubB5 forums often, I've fooled with European sedans since 1970 and I often have insight to add that others don't. I can apply some of that insight here too, I hope this forum takes off for Volvo owners. Some of the same type of posts exist over at the Passat forums... regional and age differences, people who can't decide what color to buy, appearance versus performance debates, etc. But it's all fun!<P>Having owned and heavily modified three Volvos over about a 20 year period, I still have a great interest. <I>See my favorite 1970 142S in the Swedespeed vintage section.</I> My brother, sister and I have owned at least 30 Volvos <I>(no lie!)</I> over the past 35 years. With his bright orange 142, my brother was a Western Canada regional rally points champion in the late 1970s and he ran the Criterion International Rally twice. The first year he ran the Criterion, he was the highest private entry, the factory sponsored Fiats won it. His wife later took the Alberta points championship in dirt track racing with one of their 122s. She honed her driving skills in South America and Europe and was very aggressive! <p>[This message has been edited by Bob the V (edited 02-20-2001).]

 

[[email protected]d]

On Volvospy, I've noticed that the European weight of their site too. It's actually pretty natural. We both have access to different Volvos of sorts. We here have access to Volvo North America and they are European based. Makes sense about the gravitation. There's is a tremendous resource, especially if you want to read about the European take on Volvos.<P>I think it was said above, but our forum software is Ultimate Bulletin Board. We use it on VWvortex and Pickuptruck.com as well. We use another solution at Audiworld similar to what is run on sites like Volvospy and Brickboard. I'm partial to UBB, but that's what I've been using for years at Vortex. I think it's all a matter of what you are used to.<p>[This message has been edited by [email protected] (edited 02-20-2001).]

 

[PK]

I disagree with you. Sure there are a lot of posts that don't interest you, and I agree the software is not very good, but VolvoSpy is definitely the best resource for information on current Volvos. This is nothing against Swedespeed. VolvoSpy just has a much larger and more diverse audience.<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by damyeu:<BR><B>Sorry to sound condescending.<P>After reading this board and Volvospy over the last 2 weeks, I have decided to stop reading postings on Volvospy's board.<P>Reason: The comments are so trivial that I wonder if these chaps do any work the whole day. Questions even centre on what colour they should buy. My goodness, can't that decision be made individually without such waxing and waning going on. If Volvo had to handle every nitpicking these guys cough up, their hotlines will be on 24-hours a day. <P>Swedespeed has so far been discussing topics of interest and relevance. Please do not degrade this web site to that level.<P>Thanks!</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>

 

[TheEFFecT]

To each's own, and you simply cannot judge a book by its cover (or others opinions of it). Both are excellent resources and have their own resident knowledgable people. For example: I don't think swedespeed has a retail salesman actively responding to posts?<P>To answer damyeu directly:<BR>"Questions even centre on what colour they should buy." You're scrutinizing them about what they post in this quote.<BR>"If Volvo had to handle every nitpicking these guys cough up, their hotlines will be on 24-hours a day."<BR>It's interesting that the last quote also applies to exactly what you posted; just as color has little relevance in an S60 forum, so too, does your post about volvospy.<P>T.E.

 

[damyeu]

Originally posted by TheEFFecT:<P>My post was to let new visitors realize that on Volvospy, you have to sieve through a lot of idle net banter before you reach a topic of relevance to your search. The software used, I agree, is partly to blame. I did not intend to offend any post but you have to admit that some problems encountered are peculiar to an individual car (lemon)and not a general problem with the design. Even if a problem arises, discussing it with my Volvo mechanic rectifies the problem expeditiously. Someone on Volvospy even posted a query on what it's like to be involved in a crash in the S60. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif"><P>I hope the readers are mature enough to make their own judgement call. My comments are just comments (aren't we entitled to that?). You be the judge! My post regarding colours was an illustration of something which I consider trivial. Maybe to some, it is a discussion equal in complexity to Quantum Physics.<P>My post on Volvospy, as I reiterate was to let visitors know my view? Isn't that my freedom to do so? Postings on the colour of the car you should buy and asking some chap whose dress sense or style you know nothing about is in my opinion (and my right to freedom of speech)just asking for trouble. To some, shocking pink with green seats may be a fashion statement. Isn't that just triviality which should be a decision made by one ownself/wife. So please realize the difference. <P>

 

[FrankV]

This discussion seems to become a UBB vs threadstyle forum discussion. <BR>If you prefer UBB-style, then visit sites with UBB, but don't critic threadstyle forums (like volvospy or brickboard). Otherwhise it will lead to a Coca vs Pepsi discussion. De coloribus et gustibus non discutant. <P>Colour is trivial for you. But if someones decision on buying a car depends on the colour, it's certainly not trivial. A car is not like a pair of shoes. <BR>A forum discussing only topics you are interested in will be a very dull forum for the majority of the visitors...<BR>I remember the time volvospy was a small site. Everybody knew everybody on the forums, kinda like here now. But as a site grows, the cosiness disappears...<P>just my $0.05

 

[PK]

Relax <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif">. I don't think anybody took offense to your post, or wants to deny your freedom of speech! But maybe you should ask yourself if you aren't guilty of exactly what you criticize volvospy for (trivial, pointless post that has nothing to do with what most people are searching for on this S60 forum). Not that we mind!<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by damyeu:<BR><B>

Originally posted by TheEFFecT:<P>My post was to let new visitors realize that on Volvospy, you have to sieve through a lot of idle net banter before you reach a topic of relevance to your search. The software used, I agree, is partly to blame. I did not intend to offend any post but you have to admit that some problems encountered are peculiar to an individual car (lemon)and not a general problem with the design. Even if a problem arises, discussing it with my Volvo mechanic rectifies the problem expeditiously. Someone on Volvospy even posted a query on what it's like to be involved in a crash in the S60. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif"><P>I hope the readers are mature enough to make their own judgement call. My comments are just comments (aren't we entitled to that?). You be the judge! My post regarding colours was an illustration of something which I consider trivial. Maybe to some, it is a discussion equal in complexity to Quantum Physics.<P>My post on Volvospy, as I reiterate was to let visitors know my view? Isn't that my freedom to do so? Postings on the colour of the car you should buy and asking some chap whose dress sense or style you know nothing about is in my opinion (and my right to freedom of speech)just asking for trouble. To some, shocking pink with green seats may be a fashion statement. Isn't that just triviality which should be a decision made by one ownself/wife. So please realize the difference. <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>

 

[MMS]

You read my mind PK! Ironically, this discussion is... "An utter waste of time". I don't mind, because I enjoy feedback/knowledge of any kind! Both sites have been key in the decisions I have made surrounding the purchase my S60. Volvospy has more of a following and because of that I visit it more frequently. If someone wants to ask about color, it is truly his or her prerogative. And if you want to start a stream of conversations on a subject that is, in no way, related to the Volvo S60, then that is your prerogative.

 

[TheEFFecT]

I say we vote damyeu off the message board <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif">

 

[bobmac]

...and take the S gang with him?

 

[wisher]

Speak for yourself.<p>[This message has been edited by wisher (edited 02-25-2001).]

 

[[email protected]]

Easy guys. We're open to all posting, and all opinions as long as it isn't namecalling or vulgar. That said, I also wanted to make sure this thread was fair to Volvospy.

 

[fanatic]

Hey... what happened to the first amendments?? (or is it the second??) <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><P>Some of the postings have even stronger sense of paternalism than the Singapore Government... <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"> No wonder Damyeu was bushed and gored.... (and voted out of the forum <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"> )<P>