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<IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/news/uploads/volvo/london_congestion_volvo_fight_600.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Volvo is protesting the fact that hybrids don't pay London's congestion charge but some very efficient conventional gas engine cars (like the DRIVe series of cars) do. Since the S40 DRIVe won What Car? Green Car of the Year, seems like a perfect time to raise a stink. Couldn't agree more.<br> <br><A HREF="http://www.swedespeed.com/news/publish/Volvo_News/article_1549.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.swedespeed.com/news....html</A>
 

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Re: Volvo UK to London Mayor: End Congestion Charge Hybrid Bias ([email protected])

I'm happy that Volvo is arguing against the hybrid bias. The popular notion that hybrids will save the planet with their toxic care bear-powered batteries has gone too far.
 

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Re: Volvo UK to London Mayor: End Congestion Charge Hybrid Bias (Cabot)

Ironic that the other Volvo is making large investments in hybrid technologies for trucks and buses.
 

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Re: Volvo UK to London Mayor: End Congestion Charge Hybrid Bias (Munin)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Munin</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ironic that the other Volvo is making large investments in hybrid technologies for trucks and buses.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not really.<p>Heavier vehicles, operated in the stop-n-go mode are much more suitable for the hybrid technology than smaller lighter passenger cars - daily commuters, especially outside of super-megapolices.<p>Remember that hybrid technology is used for ages in super-large earth moving vehicles and large railroad engines.<p>The piece bellow describes the different dynamics well, despite its obvious marketing intent.<p><br>"<B>Hybrid technology</B><br>It saves fuel. It reduces emissions. And it can be used together with alternative fuels. Hybrid technology is one of the most promising and competitive technologies for commercial vehicles - go to our annual report for more information<p>A versatile technology<br>The hybrid driveline cleverly exploits the benefits of different engine types and energy-storage systems. It combines the torque of the electric motor and the combustion engine in the optimum way.<p>The most suitable vehicles for hybrid drivelines are those that operate in continuous stop-go conditions such as buses and refuse or distribution trucks. In construction machines, the electric motor can be used to power the vehicle’s hydraulic systems. <p>“We call this the fourth-generation hybrid technology. In the future, hybrid technology will not be a special solution but a technology found in most new city buses and distribution trucks. The fourth-generation hybrid technology has the potential to make this possible,” says Leif Johansson."<p><A HREF="http://www.volvo.com/group/global/en-gb/responsibility/envdev/alt_drivelines/hybrid_tech/hybrid_technology.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvo.com/group/glo...y.htm</A><p>
 

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Re: Volvo UK to London Mayor: End Congestion Charge Hybrid Bias (gascos80)

I would assume there is a lot of stop-and-go in London, but can't comment as I've never been there other than the airport.
 

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volvo isnt attacking hybrids. Rather, the fact the congestion charge favours them when in fact the Driv-e Volvos match or beat them on emissions and fuel consumption.... if the cogestion chage is about letting 'clean' vehicles in for free, then the Driv-e cars should also be included.<p>Given recent sales successes, new marketing initiatives, Volvo UK sales are up 11% on last year even given the current market decline. That's impressive. The new MD also closed a larger number of dealers from one certain company who were not meeting Volvo expectations. A risky move but quality was placed above further customer relations problems. all the dealers have now been replaced in rapid time.<p>The MD is previously from Volvo europe so hopefully some of these marketing successes and good moves can also be applied to other markets. I appreciate the USA is not quite the market it was. hopefully it will pick up soon.
 

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<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shimon</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rather, the fact the congestion charge favours them when in fact the Driv-e Volvos match or beat them on emissions and fuel consumption.... .</TD></TR></TABLE><p>doubtful that any Volvo matches or beats a Prius driven in typical conditions in London between 7 am and 7 pm<p>The emissions at 55 mph are likely the same. And the Prius will have ZERO emissions at 0-10 mph unlike any Volvo.<p>I'm sure there is actual DATA on this and we don't need to guess<p>has Volvo provided any such data in its attack?<p>Here's Volvo's "data": <I>Hybrid-powered cars have CO2 outputs ranging from 89g/km to 219g/km, yet all are exempt from the London Congestion Charge. Volvo's What Car? Green Car of the Year-winning S40 1.6D DRIVe with Start/Stop technology emits just 104g/km yet drivers are charged £8.00 to enter the capital. Similarly, Volvo's DRIVe C30 Sportscoupe and V50 Sportswagon models also emit 104g/km but none of them are exempt from the charge.</I><p>Note that Volvo says NOTHING regarding the driving conditions that are the reason for the congestion management schemes: emissions during stop and go traffic. A car's overall CO2 output is not relevant to how it does in stop and go.<p>Now, maybe they have good data on stop and go but didn't include it. That woud be excellent to see. And if the Volvos can compete in stop and go, then they should be favored just as hybrids are. This is (should be) a data-based, scientific issue, not a political one.
 

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Volvo Wins!<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Volvo UK</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>VOLVO CAR UK SUCCEEDS IN ITS CONGESTION CHARGE CHALLENGE TO THE MAYOR OF LONDON<br>The Mayor of London has agreed to review the exemption for alternative fuel vehicles.<br>The public have spoken - only one third of motorists believe that the current exemption is fair.<br>Following its challenge to The Mayor of London, Volvo Car UK has been successful in its bid to review the current Congestion Charge alternative fuel exemption that, Volvo believes, unfairly biases hybrid cars over other low-emitting vehicles.<br> <br>In his response to the campaign, The Mayor confirmed that the exemption to the Congestion Charge was introduced to incentivise the take-up of more environmentally-friendly vehicles but that he recognised that vehicle technology has developed considerably since then. Transport for London will report their recommendations by the end of the year.<br> <br>The news comes at the same time as a What Car? poll confirms that the motoring public also believe that the current hybrid and electric car exemption is outdated and unfair.<br> <br>In the poll, conducted on the homepage of WhatCar.com, 50 per cent of over 1,500 respondents confirmed that they believed that any exemption should be CO2 based while only 34 per cent believed that the status quo, where all hybrid or electric cars are exempt, is fair. <br> <br>If this view were to be enacted, drivers of Volvo's C30, S40 and V50 DRIVe cars featuring Start/Stop technology would be able to travel around the country's capital free of charge.<br> <br>Last month, Stuart Kerr, Regional President for Europe from Volvo Car Corporation wrote to The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, highlighting the disparity between the treatment of hybrid and conventional internal combustion-engined cars. In essence, drivers of hybrid cars enter the zone free of charge on a daily basis while drivers of low emission cars powered by conventional internal combustion engines with the same, or even lower, levels of emissions are charged £8.00 per day. This 'tax' could add a financial burden of over £2,000 per year to those drivers who have selected a traditionally-powered low emission car.<br> <br>Since the original letter was sent, the Emission Equality campaign has attracted hundreds of supporters on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Emissions-Equality/119945287541), Twitter, (http://twitter.com/eequality) and Volvo Car UK's own website (http://www.volvocars.com/uk/Pages/Emissions_Equality.aspx).<br> <br>The subject of road and congestion charging was also covered by last week's publication of the House of Commons Transport Select Committee's 'Taxes and charges on road users' report. It noted that "Account should be taken of the full cost of road use, including social and environmental externalities, when considering the structure of taxes and charges on road users."</TD></TR></TABLE>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ADP1</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>doubtful that any Volvo matches or beats a Prius driven in typical conditions in London between 7 am and 7 pm</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Indeed, extremely doubtful with a dieselpowered Volvo... it's far more poluting then a Prius! Especially when the DPF is regenerating, what will happen quite often in London traffic.<p>Nice piece of marketing, but what will they do when they have hybrids themselves... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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