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Just an FYI, I have checked in on the V90 rumors and some others with some contacts at Volvo. I'll be posting more on it on the site Monday or Tuesday.
 

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I am really dissappointed with the fact they are sharing platforms with the Focus, Mazda 3 for the new S40 or whatever the designation will be. It is my understanding that neither car is crashworthy. The platform, from what I understand has a tremendous amount to do with the way things will play out for the driver in an accident. But on a more day to day basis the vehicle will not drive like a Volvo. http://********************/smile/emsad.gif http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif I had yet to have any problems with the blue oval but now I have been upset. It is as if they want to kill the Volvo marque. Idiots of the First Order! http://********************/smile/emhammer.gif http://********************/smile/emhammer.gif http://********************/smile/emhammer.gif
 

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Poritz,

Not to worry. The P1/C1 platform isn't even out yet, so how can there be any crash test data on it? The second generation Focus and Mazda-3 havn't even seen daylight so everything on the net and in magazines is pure speculation based on zero factual information.

The first generation Focus and Mazda Protege are the two best handling cars in their class, and I have no doubt that Ford Europe will up and ante for the P1/C1 platform. The biggest complaint of the first generation S40/V40 was handling, with a chassis based on the Mitsubishi Carisma. Since Mazda is leading most of the development on the chassis dynamics and engines, I for one am happy.

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This is a fairly critical platform for Ford. The Focus is one of their recent bright spots in product, specifically car product. Mazda is also growing and needs a good follow up. Finally, this is the first all new car under Ford's ownership for Volvo.

Everything points towards a pretty good vehicle. The new platform will be used for many more cars than the current Focus platform or the current S40 platform, meaning more developement and a larger partsbin. AWD will be there, probably in the form of Haldex, and the rumor is that the I5 motors will fit the new platform.
 

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Thanks for calming me. I am slightly less upset. I am still concerned about safety on these models though. I suppose only time will tell about that. It is reassuring too know that those baffoons in detroit have handed the thinking over to Mazda.

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I am really dissappointed with the fact they are sharing platforms with the Focus, Mazda 3 for the new S40 or whatever the designation will be. It is my understanding that neither car is crashworthy.
I thought that the Focus is a leader in its class, regarding safety. Its quality is what sucks.

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It is a leader in handling. I don't know about safety, but I think the New Beetle wins that class.

The line I've heard is that the P1 has been designed by engineers at each company. Safety standards are being set by Volvo, and handling standards by Mazda, etc.
 

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Well, let's put it this way, from what I have heard (only good speculation), the next S40 will not be based on the Focus/Protege platform, but the next Focus and Protege will be based on the next S40 platform. I think you will be able to tell pretty quickly if it is not a true Volvo. Even using the Carisma platform, Volvo was able to do wonders with the current S40.

Also, another positive sign is that Ford has arguably the largest selection of SUVs on the market with the Escape platform, the Explorer, the Expedition, all Lincoln and Mercury variants and Landrover/Range Rover, yet the XC 90 is a true Volvo, and not a rebaded vehicle.
 

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I hope the V90 becomes a reality. I don't know exactly why, but the idea of a large, supremely luxurious and powerful wagon really appeals to me now. I could see myself driving one.
 

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Poritz, I too thought it was a horrible idea at first, but the more I hear about it, the better it sounds. Even though the platform is the same that is still not all that much and I'm definately sure the new platform will be much more rigid and more accepting to a variety of combinations of components such as engines & drivetrains. Like George mentioned, it might even get the T-5!!! YEAH!!! Mazda and Ford have a whole array of aftermarket stuff that could possibly bleed over to the S40 if anything does end-up being designed similar component wise, however I think that is a little optimistic. Odds are all three cars will have very different personalities and not really have that much in common. I don't think I even understand myself what exactly the "platform" is, just a base frame and nothing else. That would have very little to do with an overall safety rating I would think, its what is built on it that counts. And we all know the way Volvo builds, it will be the safest thing in its class.
 

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Well, a platform is a group of cars that share common parts. Those might be portions of the subframe. A company to watch that does it well is VW. The theory there is that the unseen components such as brakes, control arms, window movement hardware, wiring harnesses, etc. etc. are shared, but that all the seen pieces (exterior panels, interior trim, dashboard, seats, etc.) all have their own distinct feel. Drive a Skoda, SEAT, VW and Audi all based on the corporate A chassis and you'll see what I mean.

I believe Ford has taken that model to heart when they developed P1. I hope they did and didn't watch GM with their grill differentiation of the '80s.
 

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I can't imagine that the new Ford/Mazda platform could be any worse than the current 40 series (not saying it's bad, but it certainly could have been better). I think it would be very cool to have some of the Ford aftermarket spill over to Volvo in the form of suspension upgrades like sway bars, chassis bracing, etc., and brake upgrades, wheels, etc.
 

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About the V90.....

Take a loooong look at the V70, after that look at the XC70.
Take a short look on the XC90 and imagine a slant nose, 3" lowered, narrow bumpers, no plastics fender trim and colored body panels.....
Voila! there's your V90.
 

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About the V90.....

Take a loooong look at the V70, after that look at the XC70.
Take a short look on the XC90 and imagine a slant nose, 3" lowered, narrow bumpers, no plastics fender trim and colored body panels.....
Voila! there's your V90.
Nice try, Flying Dutchman! http://********************/smile/emwink.gif But, I am afraid, you are off a little bit! http://********************/smile/emsmilep.gif

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Nice try, Flying Dutchman! http://********************/smile/emwink.gif But, I am afraid, you are off a little bit! http://********************/smile/emsmilep.gif

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There is a long time rumor about an FWD XC90.

What's and FWD Volvo? It's never an XC.

Logical conclusion would be to make it a V90.

What's the difference between the V's and the XC's?

The plastic fender trim, larger diameter wheels and robust appearance.

So, or Volvo places the XC90 roof line on top of the S80 or they use the XC90 body and make the appearance look more compact, less robust or whatever you name it.

There's been a lot of development in the XC90 body.

Different fenders, lower hood line in the front and smaller and smoother bumpers with a lowered placed grill will do miracles.
Open the hood of an XC90 and you will see that it's an S80 engine compartment with sheet metal extentions welded on top of the original S80 top fender mountings.
 

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WOW........ http://********************/smile/emsad.gif
Poritz,
Ford Motor Company does many things right these days that they didn't in years past. http://********************/smile/emthup.gif
If you look at the SVT version of the Focus and the go fast Mazda, (FORD IS VERY MUCH INVOLVED THERE TOO) you'll see only the rear ends........... they are both very fast. Their base models are both entry level, youth oriented and could prove to be a SCCA Pro Racing Volvo entry.

"HEARTS AND MINDS"

VOLVO needs an entry level squirt gun that will scoot out of the box...... http://********************/smile/emthup.gif http://********************/smile/emthup.gif http://********************/smile/emthup.gif THEY ARE COMING IN LATE......
Go drive a FORD FOCUS SVT. Take a buddy that can drive as well as you so that you can sit in the back seat, with your eyes closed.........

I hate to say it, "HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FORD SVT LATELY?" http://********************/smile/emwink.gif

I've also heard that FORD intends on using the V70 platform as an AWD Wagon with a Ford Oval in the grill....... Anyone else?????
 
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