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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Volvo 6/30</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>In a twin announcement today, Ford Motor Company and Volvo Cars unveiled environmental engineering plans in Gothenburg, Sweden.<p>First, led by Volvo Cars, Ford Motor Company will establish a hybrid development center in Gothenburg for Ford's Premier Automotive Group and Ford of Europe business units.<p>This center will have overall responsibility for the application of hybrid systems into Volvo Cars vehicles globally as well as for ensuring Ford of Europe and brands from Ford's Premier Automotive Group are able to apply core hybrid systems into their own product plans. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>In addition, Volvo will invest 10 billion SEK ($1.4 billiion) in environmental technologies.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b> Volvo 6/30</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The investment initiative will focus primarily on the development and deployment of cleaner, more efficient diesel engines, hybrids and alternative fuel vehicles, the use of light, strong materials like magnesium, aluminium and lighter high-strength steel, and the introduction of smaller vehicles, while continuing to meet customer expectations for safety in Volvo Cars. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think this means Volvo also assumes a leadership role in environmental technologies.<p>Press release available at <A HREF="http://www.media.volvocars.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.media.volvocars.com</A> .<p><br>
 

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Re: Volvo Given Lead Role in Hybrids for Ford Europe and PAG (Calhon)

No disrespect to the originator but is this not what some folks call a "no-brainer"<br>Sweden (aka Volvo) is such an environmentally conscious nation, there was no other brand in the Ford group to head up such an initiative.<br>USA consumers are just beginning to appreciate the benefits of diesel motors, even with the changing fuel regulations. Jaguar and Land Rover don't have the established infrastructure and do Mazda have even a diesel vehicle in their range ?<br>Here's hoping there is still a friendly connection to the truck and bus division.
 

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No offense taken, Gordon. I agree with you on the obvious merits. You could very well ask, though, why it took so long to make this "no-brainer" decision. <p>I expect strong arguments (partially motivated by turf protection) were made in favor of having all hybrid and environmental technologies development centralized in Detroit. There were probably many discussions about how much investment should be made in each area - hybrids versus clean diesels, for example. In fact the announcement came just one day after Bill Ford backed off an earlier pledge to build 250,000 hybrids by 2010 in order to put more emphasis on other fuels.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gordon</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do Mazda have even a diesel vehicle in their range ?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep, In Europe they do ;-)<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Gordon</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">USA consumers are just beginning to appreciate the benefits of diesel motors, even with the changing fuel regulations</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Am I the only one on this forum to not believe what the communication departments of manufacturers, the press and some politics are saying.<br>They try to make us think diesel are better for the environment because of less consumption and less CO2 emissions..... what abut the NOX? black fine particles? (and I don't speak about sound pollution which is a real problem in urban area).<br>I've read several results of scientific research (especially in medical press) which claim that diesel is not cleaner, maybe even worse and is responsible of lots of cancer cases. The last one I read was a Swedish research which said that diesel is as dangerous as asbestos, it was a French article but the source was the American Journal of Epidemiology.<p><br><i>Modified by Arnaud S40 at 11:56 AM 7-2-2006</i><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Arnaud S40 at 11:57 AM 7-2-2006</i>
 

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Re: Volvo Given Lead Role in Hybrids for Ford Europe and PAG (Arnaud S40)

Emissions standards have moved (US) or are moving to a single set for both diesel and gasoline engines. Both types of engines require emissions control technologies. To me it is therefore a question of whether cost-effective solutions are available or can be developed to reduce diesel emissions to acceptable levels. The answer appears to be yes for both particulates (a done deal with filters) and NOx (urea-based or other technology).<br> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Calhon at 1:51 PM 7-2-2006</i>
 

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An article on Bill Fords earlier announcement<p><A HREF="http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fArticleld=3319327&fSectionld=753&fSetld=381" TARGET="_blank">http://www.motoring.co.za/inde...d=381</A><p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Calhon</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Emissions standards have moved (US) or are moving to a single set for both diesel and gasoline engines. Both types of engines require emissions control technologies. To me it is therefore a question of whether cost-effective solutions are available or can be developed to reduce diesel emissions to acceptable levels. The answer appears to be yes for both particulates (a done deal with filters) and NOx (urea-based or other technology).<br> <p><br><i>Modified by Calhon at 1:51 PM 7-2-2006</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>And diesel based hybrid is just around the corner. I am always amazed why people consider hybrid and diesel as "mutually exclusive".<br>
 

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Re: Volvo Given Lead Role in Hybrids for Ford Europe and PAG (Volvo6850)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Volvo6850</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>And diesel based hybrid is just around the corner. I am always amazed why people consider hybrid and diesel as "mutually exclusive".<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>If "just around the corner" is 3-4 years.<br>Heck, US diesels are at least 3 yrs away.
 

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Re: Volvo Given Lead Role in Hybrids for Ford Europe and PAG (VolvoMax)

Probably much sooner. I have read about large diesel/electric hybrids for trucks and railroad engines developed by Ford already.<p>And here some reading on a subject<p><A HREF="http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/000791.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/000791.html</A><p><A HREF="http://www.answers.com/topic/hybrid-car" TARGET="_blank">http://www.answers.com/topic/hybrid-car</A><p><A HREF="http://www.dieselforum.org/technology-spotlight/diesel-hybrid-corner" TARGET="_blank">http://www.dieselforum.org/tec...orner</A>/<p>etc.
 

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Re: Volvo Given Lead Role in Hybrids for Ford Europe and PAG (Volvo6850)

First, the regs for big trucks is different than the regs for passenger cars.<br>Second, Volvo is already on record as saying that it would be at least 2009-2010 before any diesel engines made it to the US.
 

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I'm not too interested in the hybrids and diesel engines. I hope that Ford and Volvo will make some big strides in alternatives to steel, like carbon fiber which can be lighter and stronger than steel. So hopefully Volvo can make strides in safety and fuel efficiency in the long run. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>www.ornl.gov/info/press_releases/get_press_release.cfm?ReleaseNumber=mr20060306-00</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The big advantage of carbon fiber is that it is one-fifth the weight of steel yet just as strong and stiff, which makes it ideal for structural or semi-structural components in automobiles. <b>Replacing half the ferrous metals in current automobiles could reduce a vehicle's weight by 60 percent and fuel consumption by 30 percent, according to some studies.</b> The resulting gains in fuel efficiency, made in part because smaller engines could be used with lighter vehicles, would also reduce greenhouse gas and other emissions by 10 percent to 20 percent.</TD></TR></TABLE> <p>A S40 T5 AWD w/ manual transmission weighs 3447lbs. Let's say that we replace 1/2 of the steel with CF and it only brings a 30% weight saving. The CF version will weigh in at 2412lbs. Weight to power ratio will be 11lbs/hp. Basically every 1hp has to move 11lbs.<p>A EVO IX weighs in at 3263lbs. And let's say it's got 300hp. WtoP ratio will be 10.8lbs/hp<br>We can pretty much hang with an EVO now.<p>If you apply that 60% weight savings to a stock S40 2.4i (1290lbs) with only 168hp- you now get a WtoP ratio of 7.6lbs/hp- you'd beat the EVO at a light, even if it had 400hp (WtoP ratio of 8.2lbs/hp). That would ruin somebody's day... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Or you can look at the weight savings like this- a 1290lbs S40 2.4i only needs a 67hp engine to achieve the same WtoP ratio as a current S40 2.4i with 168hp. <p>Obviously these examples are highly simplified and we're ignoring all the other variables involved. Right now it's just a pipe dream and we have a long way to go to achieve this. But I think this idea is far more interesting than the hybrid or diesel option.
 

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Only drawback to carbon fiber is that it is VERY expensive.<br>Certain supercars have carbon fiber tubs, but look at the cost.<p>the reason an S40 weighs more than an EVO is because of the extra steel in the chassis for crash protection.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VolvoMax</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Only drawback to carbon fiber is that it is VERY expensive.<br>Certain supercars have carbon fiber tubs, but look at the cost.<p>the reason an S40 weighs more than an EVO is because of the extra steel in the chassis for crash protection.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It is not only the cost, but the current manufacturing process is not suitable for the mass production yet. As far as I know, there is no composite manufacturing technology available to produce hundreds of thouthnds or millions of complex shaped body parts.
 

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Yeah, right now it's impossible to use CF or other alternative materials because of the price, manufacturing processes, etc. in a mass produced car- but hopefully we can figure it out. <p>
 
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