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Hello<p>I was chatting to a friend today who is an avid R series fan. <p>He is hugely disappointed that Volvo don't have a current R series product lineup and is also angry at the rumour that the C30R is cancelled.<p>He has therefore set up two online petitions where he can gather names (first name is just fine!), locations and peoples comments <B>all in one place </B>from amidst the Volvo forum communities. This is to prove the voice of the volvo community towards wanting the R series to return and the C30R to be launched!<p><B>Remember, you CAN make a difference.</B><p>Volvo analyses and responds to market requests/pressure! Lets create some requests and pressure!!!<p>Remember the C30 wouldnt exist at all if there wasnt the positive media and forum 'buzz' surrounding the launch of the SCC in 2001.<p>As fan of the Volvo brand or dealer personnel or as a potential customer of an R series, please sign up on the following petitions. These will be forwarded to Volvo HQ in the near future.<p>This is intended by my friend to poll the worldwide range of Volvo forums!<p>come on! <B>sign up </B>if you want to appeal for an R series across the range and also the C30R (recent rumours suggest it is cancelled).<p><br>The volume of signatures CAN make a difference!<p><A HREF="http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/volvoRseries" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/volvoRseries</A>/<p><A HREF="http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/C30R" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/C30R</A>
 

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Re: Volvo and R series (Shimon)

All 500 of us?<br>Volvo doesn't give a rat's ass, no business model for an R right now
 

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Re: Volvo and R series (Shimon)

If you want to support the environment go support Volvo.<br>If you want a sportive car move on. <p>C30R will be to expensive anyway. Maybe they come up with a C30 1.6D DrivE R-Design Ocean Race Edition PowerShift Sports line with a whopping 115 HP and gold colored mirrors. or something along that line..
 

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if product planning get a concise and strong evidence this will influence their decision.<p>The drips and drabs of feedback from dealers, a few people talking about the R etc on a forum isnt strong enough.<p>I think you underestimate the relevance of strong market data. We can provide some so lets get on with it.<p>PS VW, Audi etc have no issue launching fast, sporty cars plus environmental ones. Volvo also should have no issue.<p>To say volvo doesnt care is daft.....
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shimon</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>To say volvo doesnt care is daft.....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Don't care and are missing skills. Only a couple of suits inventing "green" and tapping each others shoulders all day long and telling each other how well they are doing.. <p>Really Shimon, I think your glasses are a bit to pink. <p>Even Ford managed to build a reasonable affordable fun car which received a lot of positive feedback which in it's turn somewhat boosted the Ford image again. And frankly, this car was a Volvo because the Focus RS really isn't that much of a development. Is even shares a lot of parts with the ST/T5 cars of that same platform.<p>It appears Swedish skulls are not only air tight, they appear to be sound proof also.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"><p>What is the use of market data if it doesn't reach the right people?<br>
 

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hi,<p>but that's EXACTLY the point Johann.<p>These 'petitions' are simply a way to gather numbers, locations, comments etc to show there IS desire for the R series. Indeed, with the Focus RS, these isnt really much to do for a C30R. Anyway, the C30R is finished and production was scheduled for November. To back out now doesnt save development costs!<p>This plan by my friend Casper is to collect/offer worldwide data from all the Volvo forums etc.<p>and....the results WILL be sent to Product Planing so long as enough people get involved. So it will get to the right place. We just need to data now.<p>Volvo needs market data.....and here it is......<p>so, you signing up to both?
 

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<A HREF="http://www.petitiononline.com/s40r/petition.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.petitiononline.com/s40r/petition.html</A><p>Has been there for years....<p>Now where is it?<p>Wake up Shimon. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shimon</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>These 'petitions' are simply a way to gather numbers, locations, comments etc to show there IS desire for the R series. Indeed, with the Focus RS, these isnt really much to do for a C30R. Anyway, the C30R is finished and production was scheduled for November. To back out now doesnt save development costs!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It will be to expensive.. Knowing greedy Volvo a C30R in my country will cost in the 60K Euro minimum. The Focus RS comes with a 50K pricetag and although a lot of money the car really shows to be worth that kind of money. <p>The C30R will be an R-Design. Everyone drives R-Design. You can drive a C30 DrivE with R-Design package for a price tag below 23K. Now the whole appearance of that car should suddenly attract 60K+ buyers?<p>Same issues have been ongoing for the C70. Any which way that car comes with a dash similar to the one in the currently offered 21K C30 DrivE. Somehow people at Volvo do not understand that things like that are not done. Specially if they maintain the Swedish lean interior design because if you really take an objective look at that design it suggests the car doesn't come with any options. Now take a look at the Focus RS interior. Gauges on the dash, seats which can handle a 4 or 6 point harness. It comes close to what people driving such cars want. They don't want blue stitches or 4C suspension or a 3600 lbs heavyweight AWD with near similar performance compared to a lesser weight T5.. <p>If Volvo really wants to offer a 60K+ C30R the car has to make a difference no matter what.<br>Unique exterior and unique interior. Things like wider fenders, different bumpers, larger 19" wheels. Sport seats with "track capability" because that is the buzzword nowadays. Suspension should be easy upgradable and the total weight of the car should be below 3300 lbs to make it worthwhile. That is if the engine meets what has been promised. One thing that already struck me in this is that the Focus RS appears to use the same IC as the Focus ST. It is details like these which can make or break the reputation of such cars. There's the other buzzword, details. <p>If these criteria can't be met then Volvo is better of rebadging the C30R to C30 T5 AWD. Make it loose 25-30 HP or so and offer the normal option packages as available on the already existing models.
 

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thanks Johann for the link to that petition. 2000 people signed that one.<p>There was a gen 1 S40R you know. volvo's published pics now.<p>
 

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Thank you to Swedespeed staff for posting a story and link on the front page!!!<p>I think we can make a difference. Make voices heard and give Volvo some data that shows the market wants a C30R and R series.<p>spread the word and sign up!!
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shimon</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There was a gen 1 S40R you know. volvo's published pics now.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, there wasn't a S40R...
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Shimon</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thank you to Swedespeed staff for posting a story and link on the front page!!!<p>I think we can make a difference. Make voices heard and give Volvo some data that shows the market wants a C30R and R series.<p>spread the word and sign up!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Glad to help. We want to see a sporty Volvo revival just as much as you.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>[email protected]</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Glad to help. We want to see a sporty Volvo revival just as much as you.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Volvo gave you guys the V70 3.2 R-Design including roofrails.<p>Be happy with it.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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except for some "enthusiasts" who have the money, who would buy these "R" models? There is a reason why they don't make them.<p>And how many on this forum acutally have bought a used rather than new (which contributes nothing to Volvos income)?<p>I pass
 

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Re: Volvo and R series (Shimon)

Shimon buddy, trust me on this you are simply wasting your time.<br>Volvo isn't going to spend millions of dollars just because of a few signatures.<br>However, if it makes you feel better, go right ahead.
 

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Re: Volvo and R series (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> no business model for an R right now</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is the issue.
 

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Re: Volvo and R series (VolvoMax)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VolvoMax</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That is the issue.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No it isn't. <p>Not a single good effort to build image is what is downplaying the brand. You need to start somewhere. The R was an attempt. The next R was build without any real soul. Basically a couple of Volvo people agreed that an R was needed but there weren't real competent people to make it really work. Nothing wrong at that point. The effort was there. The car was good at a "new T5" level but not what it was supposed to be. R- buyers were very clear about what was wrong and what wasn't. The car's did sell. Maybe not enough according Volvo beliefs but Volvo opened a market out there. Next there should have been an evolution yet Volvo chose to can the project and milk the name by means of R-Design. This can only be done for so long because R will fade so R-Design has no reason for existence anymore. The market opened was shut down hard. Fresh customers, some of which needed a lot of convincing to buy a Volvo, were left out in the cold. Those people won't come back for years, probably not at all. <p>What is next? Back to sport line? You can't live on green alone. Green is cracking already. We are past the environment concern and people want "fun" for their money again. Green is OK but has to be fun. (Did you guys see the new super sportive Prius?)<br>One example why green is selling at the moment is because it has a tax advantage yet a chip can bring the car on a level where it used to be and more. Not a 110 HP DrivE but 140 HP. . .<br>Why did D5 sell? Because Volvo didn't sell 163 HP D5 but 190 HP D5. Not 185 HP D5 but 200+ D5.<br>What does that tell you? It says that Volvo has build an image with the D5 based on what lives "on the street" and that can only be done over a long period of time.<br>Same goes for the gasoline turbo engine's. Old T5's could be tweaked using parts from newer Volvo's making it powerful cars. Until someone over at Volvo decided that tuning was not done and that engine's had to be crippled in such a way that no more gain can be expected. <br>Word gets out, no cars are being sold anymore. Or.. in case of the D5 which is still tweak able, some customers shift to D5 because they are "torquey".<p>If Volvo marketing is looking a bit further than the edge of their desk they could see that.<p>Why was there no R after the R? Why did they give the huge 3.0 T6 "Only" 285 HP while before that a 2.5 5 could do 300? If Volvo had put that engine on the market with 305 HP and 310 lb-ft of torque and a manual transmission available they would have had an R successor already for the very simple reason because it tops the R in numbers.. <p>V70(T6) R AWD with the cheaper M66 gearbox and R-Design exterior (Roofrails as an option)<br>Slightly "to large" turbo from factory leaving room for ~380 HP combined with a fairly open backdoor for tuning. <br>Let the word get out, warranty isn't an issue because it still can be denied. <p>There's you business model. Basically an M66 is needed plus a slightly overhauled turbo. <p>R-Design wouldn't be R-Design but R. Lesser models can be had with R-Design package just like the real R.. <p>The model is there, Volvo is screwing up because no one, also the US sales DPT, has the guts. <p><br> <br> <br>
 

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Re: Volvo and R series (Johann)

Here is the problem, aside form sheer dollars. Most of the engineers at Volvo have little or no interest in high performance cars. It simply foes against their core beliefs of what a car really is.<br>That is why the S60R had its issues. They were simply designed in by people who wanted a "safe" high performance car. High performance cars are inherently unsafe. By unsafe I mean that they have to driven in a manner that is beyond the ability of the average driver. Their performance at the limit becomes much less predictable and it requires quite a bit of skill to drive one properly. that is why the R was cut back to 300hp, when it was designed for 350. Why the traction and stability systems are so hard to override,why the car was set up to understeer as much as it was,why it had insufficently sized tires. <br>The original R was just a T5 with an overboost feature and a stiffer suspension, no big deal to engineer. The next car was a different matter. I've talked with some of the engineers who mentioned the compromises that had to be done in order to get the car signed off on.<br>Volvo Cars simply has to real interest in performance cars for their own sake. Thet never really have. The reason that the current T6 is at 281hp instead of 300+ is that the powers that be can't see a reason why that hp is necessary. It's amazing that they signed off on the V8 in the first place. Now, they are killing it at the first opportunity.<br>So, you are asking a group of people whose hearts aren't in it anyway to design and produce a high performance car, and spend millions in the process? Not very realistic.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VolvoMax</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>So, you are asking a group of people whose hearts aren't in it anyway to design and produce a high performance car, and spend millions in the process? Not very realistic.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>They offer an XC60 T6 which is way to capable for the car it is and that's safe?<p>No millions are needed but that appears to be the part also you don't get. <p>They have everything in house already. <p>They have a very capable 5 cylinder yet they spend millions developing a 6 cylinder.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>With the current downsize trend the 5 cylinder option is more logical.<p>To make an R successor wouldn't be easy but with the Ford suspension the cars itself are so much more alive that a large part of the R's work has been done already. The suspension is good. Maybe stance could use some attention. <p>The T6 is stuffed in any new model brought to market, price of the V70T6 has been lowered.<p>The old R was to expensive for what it was but a new R with the current technology, slightly more power which really isn't rocket science and a manual option is all that is needed. Heck, the Focus RS engine is still a Volvo engine. It fit's the V70NN/S80N 1:1. Car can be ready next week... <p>You see the point? Nothing is needed except the will to build image.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>They offer an XC60 T6 which is way to capable for the car it is and that's safe?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>0-60 in 7+ sec and a top speed of barely 130 mph is a far cry from 0-60 in 5.3 sec and a governed top speed of 155mph.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>No millions are needed but that appears to be the part also you don't get. <p>They have everything in house already. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>They would have to federalize the new model, pay for advertising,marketing,press junkets, incentives. This would cost millions.<br>That is what you don't get.<p>I agree about the will to do it, but as I have pointed out that will doesn't exist either.
 
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