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I know there are some common rattles, sounds, and other things to that nature that are common in our cars. But this vibration issue is getting to be really annoying especially on long road trips. I get vibration in the steering wheel, pedals, passenger seat vibrates like hell, glove box vibrates, visors vibrate and center console. My car has been in for alignment once, then again after they replaced lower control arm. They said my tires were cupping and after the alignment the cupping should fade away. I still get loud tire noise, seems to be worse on fresh tar covered roads. Do I maybe have a bent rim? Is this my goodyear eagle f1 all seasons causing the noise and vibration? Some roads are worse than others.
 

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Re: Vibration issues!! (hoagrod)

Well, I'd be interested in your findings, I know that. I'm in a similar boat. I picked my car up new, fully stock and its always had a slight vibration in it. There are some things that you just have to chalk up to the cars character. For instance, everyones glove box rattles, and that can be fixed numerous ways. In my car, my front passenger seat also vibrates like crazy, no clue why, also my right B and C pillar will make a cracking sound every once in a while, you just push it back in a little, as it pops out a little. You can also feel a vibration in my car, its really hard to tell living around San Francisco as our roads are less then crap, but I've gone about it the same way you have. Got the car aligned, rotated tires, Even tried 3 different sets of pegs on my car, some with better results then others, but all and all, the car still has a slight vibration. At this point, I've just told myself its all in my head, as it just might be. None the less, keep me posted if you find anything out that I could maybe check on my car.<p>-Chris
 

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The brakes wouldn't cause vibration unless you are applying them, usually at highway speed. A warped rotor would cause a wicked shudder.<p>As for the cupped tires, saying they cupping will go away seems like really poor advice from the tech. It takes a long time for tread to wear down, or in this case, even-out. If the cupping was bad enough to cause vibration, they should've recommended you get new tires immediately. I would get new tires, unfortunately, and when they're getting mounted they can tell you if possibly one of the rims is bent or has too much runout.
 

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stupid question, but somebody has to ask it<p>you mention alignment a lot, how about balancing the wheels?<p>done as well?
 

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Are you the 1st owner? Any accidents in the car's history?<p>Check for warped rotors.<p>Check the wheels for dents, especially on the inside rim. Check your sway bar and bushings too. Any uneven wear on the tires? Were the wheels balanced last time you got tires? Check to make sure the balancing weights are still on the wheels, sometimes they can fall off.<p>If all else fails, have a dealer check the suspension.
 

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I am the second owner and it has clean history. I know most of the common rattles that do unfortunately come with the R but when I feel it in the steering wheel, pedals and over all car it concerns me. I had brought my car in to get a screw out and had them check for bends in the rim and they said no visible dents. I have not checked the weights and someone else had suggest that. I'll do that. Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated.
 

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I have a solution to your passenger seat woes....been having this problem with my SR for a few months and finally solved the problem...It's the plastic endcaps at the end of the seat rails.<p>This is what I did (both have this padding):<br><IMG SRC="http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/puredrive07/DSCN0007.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/puredrive07/DSCN0008.jpg" BORDER="0"><br><IMG SRC="http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b298/puredrive07/DSCN0009.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Also, grab the socket wrench and tighten down the bolt on the rail closest to the door; mine was a little loose causing it to rattle. I was going to take it out and put loctite on the bolt, but I don't know what the torque specs are and decided to wait and make the dealer do it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Take your car to somewhere different, but reputable, and have them check the mounting/balancing of your tires onto the wheels. I had a long conversation with a wheel guy kind of recently and he said that even a wheel/tire combo that is balanced out can have issues if the bead is not right. The wheel will balance when spun, but can visibly be messed up, and sometimes a lazy person doing the install can mess it up.
 

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Re: Vibration issues!! (hoagrod)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hoagrod</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know there are some common rattles, sounds, and other things to that nature that are common in our cars. But this vibration issue is getting to be really annoying especially on long road trips. I get vibration in the steering wheel, pedals, passenger seat vibrates like hell, glove box vibrates, visors vibrate and center console. My car has been in for alignment once, then again after they replaced lower control arm. They said my tires were cupping and after the alignment the cupping should fade away. I still get loud tire noise, seems to be worse on fresh tar covered roads. Do I maybe have a bent rim? Is this my goodyear eagle f1 all seasons causing the noise and vibration? Some roads are worse than others.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>LMFAO!!!!! i didnt see any wear in your wirt-up that you ever got a wheel blance......<br>You people are RELLY quick to jump down volvos back for any damn thing,.<br> and me working for volvo i stick up for them and i try to do it nice but DAMN!!! even my GIRLFRIEND know wtf to do in a switchawation like this. <br>I had a volvo buddy call me up freaking out cause from 60-65mph his car shakes... I was driving at well high speeds so i cauldnt ancwer the phone, my girl did. my buddy was freakin out about it, she told him what to do,didnt even ask me what to do, she just told him. he must have felt like the biggest loser in the world!! now i dont want to call you out but... be a man!! man up- go to NTB and ask for a rotate and balaance and if the problem still is going on the you may have bad axels
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>S60R1</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you the 1st owner? Any accidents in the car's history?<p>Check for warped rotors.<p>Check the wheels for dents, especially on the inside rim. Check your sway bar and bushings too. Any uneven wear on the tires? Were the wheels balanced last time you got tires? Check to make sure the balancing weights are still on the wheels, sometimes they can fall off.<p>If all else fails, have a dealer check the suspension.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>NONONO rotors being worped will olny shimmy/pulsate wile braking!!!
 

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Maybe you should eat your words and don't be so quick to jump down other peoples back. My tires are pretty much new, have been rotated and balanced twice now in the 5k miles I've owned them. If it's necessary to do it more than that in 5k miles there is something wrong. Give your girlfriend a hand for me that she knows something about cars.
 

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Re: Vibration issues!! (Foreveradvanced)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Foreveradvanced</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> For instance, everyones glove box rattles</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Mine doesn't, and never has. My T5's did though, but the dealer fixed it early and it stayed quiet until I traded it in a few years later.<p>Hoagrod, if you really want to eliminate tire balance as the cause, stop by and swap wheels/tires with me for a few days or something.
 

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OK, in the interest of tracking down your problem, can you give us a bit more information?<p>A) Is the vibration only present when moving, i.e., no vibration/reasonable vibration at idle when not moving?<p>B) If "no" to A), does the amount of vibration change when the car is in gear vs. in neutral?<p>C) If "yes" to A), does the frequency of vibration vary with speed and/or RPM?<p>D) If "yes" to C), is it (the vibration) speed-specific, i.e. in a specific speed range, e.g. 50-55mph, or is it substantially present at all speeds?<p>E) If "yes" to C), does the vibration change when you or on or off the throttle?<p>F) Does the vibration change at all with the chassis setting:Comfort, Sport, Advanced.<p>G) You mentioned that you've had the control arms replaced. Did they also replace the ball joints?<p>H) This may be difficult, but could you get a photo of what the tire tread looks like on at least the front tires? Maybe crank the wheel all the way left or right and take a shot of the top of the passenger and driver side front tires so that we can see what the tread wear pattern looks like.<p>I) Does the vibration change at all depending on whether you are travelling straight vs. turning left or right? If so, does it change turning left vs. turning right?<p>J) Is the cupping the same on front and rear tires? If not, have you tried switching front to back? If so, any difference?<p>Cheers,<p>J
 

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-There is no vibration at idle.<br>-Vibration is present in all chassis modes<br>-Vibration is hardly noticeable at speeds of 30-40 mph<br>-Vibrates mainly on the highway going anywhere from 50-70mph and continues to do it. <br>-Some roads cause more vibration that the other, but exists on all pavements<br>-Wheels have been rotated front to back a couple of weeks ago. Same results.<br>-Dealer said they replaced control arm assembly and that this is what's causing vibration. I'm going by what's on my service write up. I picked my car up from volvo late and all servive people were gone so I wasn't able to follow up with anyone. Problem still remains.<br>-Previous to this fix, dealer said my tires were cupping due to rear toe being out of spec. Dealer re-aligned and said everything is good and the tire should start to wear back to normal. Still have loud tire noise and vibration.<br>-Brought my car back to where I got tires from and said I'm having some vibration and I had then balance them again and check for bends in the rims. They said everything is fine.<br>-
 

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Re: Vibration issues!! (VolvokidS60R)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VolvokidS60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>LMFAO!!!!! i didnt see any wear in your wirt-up that you ever got a wheel blance......<br>You people are RELLY quick to jump down volvos back for any damn thing,.<br> and me working for volvo i stick up for them and i try to do it nice but DAMN!!! even my GIRLFRIEND know wtf to do in a switchawation like this. <br>I had a volvo buddy call me up freaking out cause from 60-65mph his car shakes... I was driving at well high speeds so i cauldnt ancwer the phone, my girl did. my buddy was freakin out about it, she told him what to do,didnt even ask me what to do, she just told him. he must have felt like the biggest loser in the world!! now i dont want to call you out but... be a man!! man up- go to NTB and ask for a rotate and balaance and if the problem still is going on the you may have bad axels</TD></TR></TABLE><p>?????
 

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Re: Vibration issues!! (VolvokidS60R)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VolvokidS60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>... even my GIRLFRIEND know wtf to do in a switchawation...<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>She even knows how to spell <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I don't think it's the rotors either, but if they are severely warped, they could be brushing up against the pads which can cause a slight vibration/shake at high speeds.<p>Like I said, start at the wheels and work your way towards the suspension. Don't rule out defective tires from factory either. And do you still have the alignment worksheet from the tech that did it? Scan it and post it so we can check it out.
 

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Re: Vibration issues!! (S60R1)

He's still riding on the same cupped tires though. That alone could be causing the continued vibration until the tread "evens out". New tires should've been recommended.
 

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New tires? No way man, I just spent $900 on tires and cannot afford new ones already. I will suffer before I spend that much again.
 

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Here's what I would do first, before anything else: find someone local with an R that has winter tires or is willing to swap tires with you for a day to see if switching tires and rims gets rid of your problem. I can't remember if it was this thread or another like it where someone offered to do this. If it was this one, take advantage of the offer!<p>After that, assuming that the tires and rims have now been ruled out as the primary source of the vibration (they could still be causing some of the vibration, but at least it removes one variable), there are a number of less likely sources. Here are some things to think about/check out/try:<p>Do you get a "clunk" or "clank", when first moving forward/stopping and moving in reverse?<p>If you jack the car up and crawl under, is there any play in the prop shaft/drive shaft that runs from the output of the angle gear to the haldex?<p>Look at the front (behind radiator) and rear (in front of firewall) motor mounts. Is either leaking oil or cracked/torn?<p>Look at the passenger side motor mount (directly behind passenger wheel well, somewhat difficult to see). Is the rubber torn/separated?<p>Jack up the front of the car and check for play in both front wheel bearings by rotating each tire and pushing at several points with your hands in the 6-9 or 10-2 clock positions as you turn it. Is there any play in the bearing?<p>Cheers,<p>J
 
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