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Anyone go from the 9-5se (turbo V6) to the R wagon? Can you give me your thoughts on the R vs. the 9-5.<p>TIA
 

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Re: V70R vs. Saab 9-5 se (R_Rated)

I test drove a 9-5 Aero wagon extensively (together with a few other cars) before buying the V70R. I actually preferred the Saab but the Saab had less headroom for me, so the Volvo won the competition.<p>I found the Saab to be lighter, more nimble and it had a whole mess of torque and felt slightly faster in the butt-o-meter. I prefered the Saab's look, its xenon headlights, and the aged but still classy looking aluminum dash was just as nice as the R's cool blue dials.<p>The Volvo had slightly better seats, felt more solid and had AWD for winter, which was a nice plus (although FWD + traction control will get you anywhere AWD will get you in the DC area snowstorms), and it had the adjustable suspension (which was a plus for me at the time but in retrospect it has been a really mediocre feature for me).<p>I think the V6 9-5 is no comparison -- the V70R wins out. But for good old fashioned Swedish turbo hooliganism, if you can't get a Viggen then the 9-5 Aero is like the Viggen's more mature older brother.<p>
 

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Re: V70R vs. Saab 9-5 (R_Rated)

We've got an '01 9-5 (4 cyl LPT) sedan and a V70R in the garage. The 9-5 is definately a more spacious car, the ride is "comfortable" always.<p>That said, the 9-5 rides on a platform a few years older than the R, and does tend to show. While I can't comment on the V6 turbo, our car's equipment is identical to the V6, the only option we haven't got is ventilated seats. <p>Both our cars are manual transmission, and the one in the Volvo is so much more precise than the one in the Saab. The steering is more precise in the Volvo too, though the 9-5 has a really tight turning radius; I think it could turn around in the cargo area of my V70R. I do know that starting with the '02 model freshening the 9-5 got some reinforcements in the steering architecture that improved the steering feel.<p>I'm really a big fan of Saab's dashboard layout (perhaps one of the few); while the Volvo's is more modern looking, I find the Saab's generally easier to use (with exception of the temperature adjustment for the dual-zone climate control; the volvo wins on that). The 9-5 is a little bit easier to see out of when driving too. <p>Neither car has ever stranded us (knock on wood), with 54k miles on the Saab and 27k on the Volvo; dealer service in the Portland and Seattle areas have been about equal as far as level of service.<p>Ask more specific questions if you've got them. I'm a wealth of information and I love talking about my cars.<br>
 

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I've got a saab in the drive way that I am test driving... V6 turbo. 2000 with 80K miles for 8,900 bucks from a dealer. Loks like new too but they have had it on the lot for about 9 months now. seems too good to be true. it will be the wifes car so performance is not an issue.<p>I would prefer her to have a 2004+ R but not gonna happen for 8,900. the 2000 saab looks less dated than a 2000 volvo too IMO. Just trying to get rid of some debt (an I hate my wife's Celica...).
 

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I think the one plus the Saab has over the Volvo is the superior amount of room.<br>The 9-5 Aero is a nice car. Quick too, but a little slower than a V70R.
 

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Re: V70R vs. Saab 9-5 se (R_Rated)

I haven't gotten to drive a 9-5 yet, but I was at the Saab dealer just yesterday and looked at the 9-5 wagon for a while. I couldn't stand the new styling. It is really starting to look dated (IMO) but it does have a classic design which appeals to many. What turned me off to the car was the faux aluminum headlight surrounds. It looked so tacky on the car and for some reason I just couldn't get past that. It doesn't look nearly as bad on the Saab website as it does in person, especially when you see a darker colored car. It looks like they tried to imitate the Escalade in the bling department.
 

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well, we got the 9-5 and got rid of the celica. I hated the Celica. The 9-5 is def way slower than my R but it is still fun to drive for what it is and very comfortable. I would have liked to get a V70R but the saab fits my budget alot better now and since it is going to be a kid car and with my wifes track record of trashing cars it is a better fit for now.
 

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Re: V70R vs. Saab 9-5 se (R_Rated)

My wife just picked up her new 2006 Saab 9-5 Sport (formerly known as Aero) sedan last night. Laser Red (almost identical to our Passion Red). She had to order it to her spec from Sweden as this car in the Midwest is more rare than a Lamborghini. In fact, one didn't exist in North America period. If Saab's 9-5 sales aren't doing well in NA, I'm quite sure it's because the cars simply don't exist. The sales crew at our local Saab/Cadillac dealership were just as thrilled as she was to see the car!<p>Anyway, "dated" is certainly not the word that comes to mind. It's beautiful, modern and above all unique. The '06 redesign really works. Very hunkered down and serious looking. We chased around town a little since it was getting late for the kids, and she had a smile on her face when we pulled into our garage from ear to ear. She wouldn't let me touch it, so I can't give much of a review of the car except that superficially it's fantastic. Other than it's country of origin and it's very similar dimensions, it's quite a change from her lovely '02 S80.<p>
 

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Re: V70R vs. Saab 9-5 se (TeeRex)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>TeeRex</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My wife just picked up her new 2006 Saab 9-5 Sport (formerly known as Aero) sedan last night. Laser Red (almost identical to our Passion Red). She had to order it to her spec from Sweden as this car in the Midwest is more rare than a Lamborghini. In fact, one didn't exist in North America period. If Saab's 9-5 sales aren't doing well in NA, I'm quite sure it's because the cars simply don't exist. The sales crew at our local Saab/Cadillac dealership were just as thrilled as she was to see the car!<p>Anyway, "dated" is certainly not the word that comes to mind. It's beautiful, modern and above all unique. The '06 redesign really works. Very hunkered down and serious looking. We chased around town a little since it was getting late for the kids, and she had a smile on her face when we pulled into our garage from ear to ear. She wouldn't let me touch it, so I can't give much of a review of the car except that superficially it's fantastic. Other than it's country of origin and it's very similar dimensions, it's quite a change from her lovely '02 S80.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Congrats on the purchase. I prefer the look of the '05 Aero to the new '06 9-5's, but the interior on the '06's is slightly better. Great car, with Saab torque aplenty! I would own a 9-5 Aero wagon if I fit in one. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>
 

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Re: V70R vs. Saab 9-5 se (HarryHood)

As far as I know there was never a V6 offered in the 9-5 let alone a turbocharged one. The new 9-3 has a turbo V6...but even the 9-5 is still a 4-cyl. turbo.<p>The real downside to Saab is that your new 9-5 will be worth half in two years. That's why Saab has reduced the pricing on the models. It used to be that you could push the 9-5 into the mid-40's.
 

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Re: V70R vs. Saab 9-5 se (ACD)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ACD</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As far as I know there was never a V6 offered in the 9-5 let alone a turbocharged one. The new 9-3 has a turbo V6...but even the 9-5 is still a 4-cyl. turbo.<p>The real downside to Saab is that your new 9-5 will be worth half in two years. That's why Saab has reduced the pricing on the models. It used to be that you could push the 9-5 into the mid-40's.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, there was a V6. Saab had up to three engine choices on the 9-5. Low and High Pressure turbo 4's and the V6. The High Pressure turbo 4 is commonly called the Aero.<br>Interestingly enough, Saab did have a V6 in the 9-3 (or 900) for a while as well. I believe that engine choice went away in 1998.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by flybynight at 9:03 PM 6-7-2006</i>
 

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Re: V70R vs. Saab 9-5 se (flybynight)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>flybynight</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Yes, there was a V6. <p>Interestingly enough, Saab did have a V6 in the 9-3 (or 900) for a while as well. I believe the went away in 1998.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I apologize, you're right. And the six in the 900 was a dismal engine.
 

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Re: V70R vs. Saab 9-5 se (HarryHood)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>HarryHood</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Congrats on the purchase. I prefer the look of the '05 Aero to the new '06 9-5's, but the interior on the '06's is slightly better. Great car, with Saab torque aplenty! I would own a 9-5 Aero wagon if I fit in one. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>My wife and I both agree that the '05 Aero was more attractive. But we looked deeper into why they looked better and to our eyes it was about 95% the beautiful '04-'05 five spoke wheels versus the new cheapo looking split spoke wheels. The '06 wheels and tires are wider, but that split spoke style looks like it should be on a Sunbird or something. The front of the new car looked better than the old one, especially in person after seeing an '05 and '06 side by side. Very sinister face on the '06. The rear end of the '05 was more attractive, mostly because of the '06's mismatching tail lights on the trunk lid made "popular" by BMW and Audi. However, this was pretty much nullified by my wife's bright red exterior color choice hiding the tail lights. We are looking into aftermarket wheels to fix "that" issue.<p>The interior is just awesome. Very modern and like nothing else out there. Swedes certainly have a way with seats. The nav system works flawlessly, but one negative is it removes the auxilliary audio input for an iPod (etc.) that you get with the standard stereo. Auto makers continue to drag their collective feet on this iPod issue, don't they? Is someone handing you an extra $2K for electronics on their car LESS likely to have an iPod?? All reviews of the stereo's sound quality give it very high marks, but it pales in comparison to my S60R's. I think we are very spoiled by the R's stereo!<p>She let me drive it! Very powerful and torquey. 140 miles on it, so I didn't get too wild. Torque steer is there, but nothing surprising or unexpected. Just enough to remind me why I love AWD! The ride is firm but not uncomfortable. Very little body roll. Much sportier & faster than her S80. Probably inferior on a long haul due to the firmer suspension depending on road conditions, but much more engaging and fun. Saab provides no cargo containment system for the 9-5 sedan. That's a big mistake in a car that handles so well and has a huge trunk, in my opinion. She got an auto trans, and I really couldn't detect any turbo lag at all. Phenomenal power and smoothness for a little 2.3L 4 banger. I think the car's relative light weight has an effect here also. This car is a study in how to build a large, fast sedan that doesn't need a 5.7 liter hemi to haul around it's own bloat swiftly. 200lbs less than my own car with a much larger back seat and trunk. Not surprisingly, it seems to be sipping fuel with great efficiency.
 

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Re: V70R vs. Saab 9-5 se (HarryHood)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>HarryHood</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Congrats on the purchase. I prefer the look of the '05 Aero to the new '06 9-5's, but the interior on the '06's is slightly better. Great car, with Saab torque aplenty! I would own a 9-5 Aero wagon if I fit in one. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>the Saab has more room than the R. The older one does not have the looks but I needed a cash car and this thing is mint and sold for about 18% of the origional sticker, lol.
 

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Hate to say it but...<p>Saab 9-3 Sport, and 9-5 sedan is the flagship halo car for homosexual males in NYC. <p>However I dig the Saabaru AWD wagon, those seen to have escaped the stigma of being a rainbow mobile. Plus it's the only saab that isn't wrong wheel drive.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cpltk2</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hate to say it but...<p>Saab 9-3 Sport, and 9-5 sedan is the flagship halo car for homosexual males in NYC. <p>However I dig the Saabaru AWD wagon, those seen to have escaped the stigma of being a rainbow mobile. Plus it's the only saab that isn't wrong wheel drive. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>My wife's 9-5 Sport next to a Saabaru at the Saab dealer was analogous to my S60R next to a base S40 at the Volvo dealership. No comparison, front wheel drive or not. <p>Regarding the "flagship halo car", in Omaha Nebraska the Saab 9-5 (especially the '06) is a halo car for nobody. My wife has the first one of two to be sold in Omaha. Previous 9-5s are few and far between here also, due to a lousy former Saab dealership. The franchise has now been sold to a much better Cadillac/Hummer/Saab dealership that is unfortunately saddled with inventory limitations from the previous dealer.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cpltk2</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hate to say it but...<p>Saab 9-3 Sport, and 9-5 sedan is the flagship halo car for homosexual males in NYC. <p>However I dig the Saabaru AWD wagon, those seen to have escaped the stigma of being a rainbow mobile. Plus it's the only saab that isn't wrong wheel drive. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>A little homophobic, are we? First of all it shouldn't matter if you are straight or gay.<br>But since you brought it up, the 3-series ranks high in that regard as well. So think about that when you are driving your Ultimate Gay Machine, oops, I meant Ultimate Driving Machine. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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LoL <p>I work in fashion in NYC, if I was homophobic I would have quit a LONG time ago. <p>Go hang out by Soho/NYC on the weekend, there are a ton of Saab's parked all over the place. Trust that, the Saab is the rolling symbol............<p>Oh yeah and a correction, the gays sure do love the Z3 and the Z4 roadsters, not so much the regular 3 series.
 

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Actually, you are correct (I'm from NY as well). I used to have a white '99 Saab 9-3. I wonder if people thought I was gay...Not that there is anything wrong with that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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